Quote: I don't see how anyone can think this season is a win/win.
If we win, then thats great! if we lose, then that sucks and the season was a waste. Gus gets fired, we have another new coach and system, people will be screaming "be patient!... It's his first year as a HC" and then that's another terrible season.
Seems to me its a win/lose season... Just like every year.
I disagree for the reasons I noted above. Gus has no more excuses, the on field talent is there, he's fired two coordinators, there's no reason why this team can't manage to win 9-10 games in a division that's considered the worst in football. This team has enough talent to where the expectation now is "winning", if Gus does manage to get fired at seasons end, whoever they bring in to replace him will have the expectation of "winning".
Quote:He got a long leash because we did something teams rarely have the courage to do: we gutted the team, completely tore it down to the ground and started over.
You can't really put a number on how many wins Gus needs to stay, because for example, if Bortles, Robinson, and Hurns all have injuries that put them out for the season, what then? In that circumstance, 7 wins would be a miracle.
I would say barring any significant injuries to key players, we should expect at least 9 wins. But like I said, it depends on the health of the key players.
Don't be jinxing it!!!
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Pick up at 2:40 for comments on Bradley.
Quote: "If (Jaguars) don't win 9 games, they need a new head coach."
9 wins is uncharted territory for Gus.
He hasn't even won a total of 9 games if you combine any 2 consecutive seasons since he has been here, although you do get to 9 if you combine season 1 and season 3.
Come on Gus, can you reach that uncharted territory and get us to at least 9 wins?
Quote:9 wins is uncharted territory for Gus.
He hasn't even won a total of 9 games if you combine any 2 consecutive seasons since he has been here, although you do get to 9 if you combine season 1 and season 3.
Come on Gus, can you reach that uncharted territory and get us to at least 9 wins?
6 wins is uncharted territory....
Who gives a [BLEEP] about Adam Schein lol
Gus could be living his long awaited career at DQ if the jags aren't serious contenders n the division this year.
Man I think that's the first Gus ice cream joke I've ever heard. Have you Gus haters not realized yet that the organization loves him and he's not going anywhere, so just get over it already.
Quote:Man I think that's the first Gus ice cream joke I've ever heard. Have you Gus haters not realized yet that the organization loves him and he's not going anywhere, so just get over it already.
I think we can serve up 31 reasons why he should be gone.
Here is the rub he does win what ever number of wins these people want and still wont get the credit. It was the fantastic offense , the offensive coordinator , the defense, the defensive coordinator. the special teams coach , the guy selling peanuts in the nose bleed seats, the ticket scalpers. Watch I said it here first .
I think they win 8 games and Gus sticks around.
Re: the Coughlin references....
New owner, new culture, exciting young talent, a great young GM....
... And you want to throw into that mix a coach who is stuck in the Stone Age? Ummm.... No.
I'm all for a change if Gus flops again, but let's move forward and not backward in that instance.
Quote:9 wins is uncharted territory for Gus.
Having a roster that is clearly worth 9 wins on paper is uncharted territory for him and any other coach we've had in the last 9 years too. Not they're good coaches; Mularkey especially sucks now that he's a flaming thumbtack, and Bradley has shown to be a noobie for the most part these last 3 years. I still think Gus can grow with the team and have people like you cheering for them come midseason. Noobs can't be Noobs forever anyway, I hope.
Quote:6 wins is uncharted territory....
lol, yeah, you do have a point there.
Quote:Having a roster that is clearly worth 9 wins on paper is uncharted territory for him and any other coach we've had in the last 9 years too. Not they're good coaches; Mularkey especially sucks now that he's a flaming thumbtack, and Bradley has shown to be a noobie for the most part these last 3 years. I still think Gus can grow with the team and have people like you cheering for them come midseason. Noobs can't be Noobs forever anyway, I hope.
I think the most important thing that Gus has shown the last three seasons is a complete inability to adapt scheme to fit players. He clearly isn't an architect. If we're lucky he's a really good blueprint reader. If we're really lucky then he's a really good blueprint reader that managed to find all of the parts he needs to build someone else's plan.
Either way, though, it's clear that the best we can hope for is that he has a team full of all stars. Of course, with a team full of all stars we could have Barry Switzer and it would still work. I hope they find an upgrade to him soon, because I'd hate to see the 2016 Jaguars being the equivalent of the Chargers from 10 or so years ago. Considered to be a great roster, held down by piss poor coaching.
Quote:I think the most important thing that Gus has shown the last three seasons is a complete inability to adapt scheme to fit players.
I'm curious how you know this. Perhaps the players on defense just sucked. Name a single pass rusher they had. Oh, that's right, he could've 'adapted a scheme' to create one.
I'm all for dumping him if he doesn't produce with the talent he NOW has. But saying stupid [BLEEP] like that is laughable.
Quote:I'm curious how you know this. Perhaps the players on defense just sucked. Name a single pass rusher they had. Oh, that's right, he could've 'adapted a scheme' to create one.
I'm all for dumping him if he doesn't produce with the talent he NOW has. But saying stupid [BAD WORD REMOVED] like that is laughable.
He definitely didn't improve the defense when he took it over. The team allowed more points than the year before, and was within about a yard per game of the same total as the year before, too.
So either you can argue that the 2012 team under Mularky was well coached and the scheme was well fit just like Bradley's, or you can argue the opposite.
Every indication up to this point is that Bradley isn't making a significant difference in a positive way, if you want to assume that results run counter to reality then that's your prerogative, but for those of us that accept reality, it's right there in front of everyone.
Quote:He definitely didn't improve the defense when he took it over. The team allowed more points than the year before, and was within about a yard per game of the same total as the year before, too.
So either you can argue that the 2012 team under Mularky was well coached and the scheme was well fit just like Bradley's, or you can argue the opposite.
Every indication up to this point is that Bradley isn't making a significant difference in a positive way, if you want to assume that results run counter to reality then that's your prerogative, but for those of us that accept reality, it's right there in front of everyone.
So Mulatkey's unimpressive job with a poor talent pool compared to Gus's work with a poor talent pool in year one of a rebuild is actually supposed to define Bradley's ability to scheme fit?
Interesting notion.
Quote:So Mulatkey's unimpressive job with a poor talent pool compared to Gus's work with a poor talent pool in year one of a rebuild is actually supposed to define Bradley's ability to scheme fit?
Interesting notion.
No, it's really not.
Quote:So Mulatkey's unimpressive job with a poor talent pool compared to Gus's work with a poor talent pool in year one of a rebuild is actually supposed to define Bradley's ability to scheme fit?
Interesting notion.
Like I said, either you can argue that Mularky was doing a great job with the defense and got the same results that the awesome Gus Bradley got with mostly the same group, or you can argue the opposite.
If you're arguing that Gus needs players that fit his scheme then you're really agreeing with me, he's not finding scheme to personnel, he's trying to find personnel for scheme.
Quote:Like I said, either you can argue that Mularky was doing a great job with the defense and got the same results that the awesome Gus Bradley got with mostly the same group, or you can argue the opposite.
If you're arguing that Gus needs players that fit his scheme then you're really agreeing with me, he's not finding scheme to personnel, he's trying to find personnel for scheme.
Ummm, no.
I'll argue that Mularkey did a crap job with a bad roster and so did Bradley.
Your "either or" proposition is pure fiction. One does not rely upon the other.
I've never said anything about Gus and players vs scheme, and I think nothing can be gleaned on the topic from the scrap heap he fielded in year one.
Quote:Ummm, no.
I'll argue that Mularkey did a crap job with a bad roster and so did Bradley.
Your "either or" proposition is pure fiction. One does not rely upon the other.
I've never said anything about Gus and players vs scheme, and I think nothing can be gleaned on the topic from the scrap heap he fielded in year one.
It's not just a river in Egypt.