Quote:It doesn't always work like this, while Blake took major steps forward, he was still sloppy in his play at times (evident by the amount of turnovers). Our record last year had more to do with turning the ball over on offense (putting our awful defense back on the field), not forcing enough turnovers on defense, and not being able to run the ball. I'm not sure how you can blame Bradley for any of that.
That's why I said generally. Steelers lost the division last year to the Bengals and they got Ben.
Our division was so bad last year we should have won more than 5. We really should have.
Who knows what next year brings but Gus has zero excuses at this point.
Quote:Generally, when you have the best QB in the division, you should win the division. Last year, we had by far the best QB and came in 3rd.....
Meh....
He may be the best QB in the division... but let's not fool ourselves. His INTs come at crucial moments that have half the board claiming he's a bust.
He may be the best QB in the division but at times he still played, well, like a rookie.
And our D... well.. it's terrabad. Or was... maybe still is.
With a horrible D, you need an Elite QB to overcome it, imo.
Quote:The Cards?
I don't know enough about their past 4 offseasons...
But...
SOME of their success was luck..
As in Palmer still having something in the tank.... especially after being in Oakland (usually guys are just done with the NFL after that stop, lol)
But they still have no answer at QB after Palmer.
My statement was a little tongue in cheek, but I tell ya what... if a playoff team like the Cards is what you came up with, DC is doing pretty good eh?
Quote:There are many examples of why he is not a good in-game head coach.
I've said before in posts... when he benches the wrong dude or challenges the wrong play... sure criticize him.
Dude had to win with Gene Smith's awful roster.
Then he had to try to win with all rookies.
He has not been a perfect coach by any means... hell, he hasn't even had a sliver of a moment where you think he could be a really really awesome coach.......
BUT... he was a rookie HC, with a rookie GM, with a lot of rookie players...
What was he supposed to do, win the division already. Go to the playoffs with a ton of 2nd year players?
Cuz that happens a lot.
Maybe it turns out he's complete grabbage... IDK. But I know way too much blame was thrown at Gus as an out for angry fans.
Honestly, if he can't win with the team DC has now assembled, he probably should go back to NDSU (or was it SDSU).
But what of the angry fans when he does win, what then will they have to say.
Oh yeah the team will be winning "in spite".
Same ol song and dance on this board lol
Kane's post was spot on and all you can respond with is "Meh"? I get it...You expected Gus to win a superbowl with the crap of a roster he had to put on the field....
Quote:I've said before in posts... when he benches the wrong dude or challenges the wrong play... sure criticize him.
Dude had to win with Gene Smith's awful roster.
Then he had to try to win with all rookies.
He has not been a perfect coach by any means... hell, he hasn't even had a sliver of a moment where you think he could be a really really awesome coach.......
BUT... he was a rookie HC, with a rookie GM, with a lot of rookie players...
What was he supposed to do, win the division already. Go to the playoffs with a ton of 2nd year players?
Cuz that happens a lot.
Maybe it turns out he's complete grabbage... IDK. But I know way too much blame was thrown at Gus as an out for angry fans.
Honestly, if he can't win with the team DC has now assembled, he probably should go back to NDSU (or was it SDSU).
But what of the angry fans when he does win, what then will they have to say.
Oh yeah the team will be winning "in spite".
Same ol song and dance on this board lol
Well said.
I don't question Gus as a leader for these guys because they all seem to rally around him. What I do question is the X's and O's game week in and week out. Like you said, it was a very young team, including Gus as head coach. People think he can't learn as we go as well, which is ridiculous. I bet Gus has learned a whole lot during this process. We will get a wayyy better feel for him this year assuming Blake Bortles stays healthy.
I'm rooting for coach.
I think Gus is awful, but there were 2 games where I thought I saw the twinkling of a head coach.
Last year's London game, we were uh the midst of an epic meltdown. The bills just scored to take the lead after we got stone walled at the goal line. All heck was breaking loose around Bradley, yet he didn't freak out and stayed positive, clapping as the defense was coming off the field. That game could have spiraled out of control, but Bradley's demeanor at that moment was beneficial to the team.
Then the clot home game this year was also a positive. He kept the foot on the neck of the clots and dropped the 50 burger on them. He could have stepped off the gas, but he didn't. I thought that was a positive for him.
So there's 2 well coached games out of 16 games last year...
Quote:I think Gus is awful, but there were 2 games where I thought I saw the twinkling of a head coach.
Last year's London game, we were uh the midst of an epic meltdown. The bills just scored to take the lead after we got stone walled at the goal line. All heck was breaking loose around Bradley, yet he didn't freak out and stayed positive, clapping as the defense was coming off the field. That game could have spiraled out of control, but Bradley's demeanor at that moment was beneficial to the team.
Then the clot home game this year was also a positive. He kept the foot on the neck of the clots and dropped the 50 burger on them. He could have stepped off the gas, but he didn't. I thought that was a positive for him.
So there's 2 well coached games out of 16 games last year...
Yeaaaaa...I'ma go with Pete Carroll and Monte Kiffen's first hand accounts over your...uh...critical assessment. The idea that Gus Bradley doesn't know football is baseless.
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Here is my only problem with 2013.... (Nothing new I state this regularly)
If you have a 3 year plan and you know the 2013 draft is weak, why do you avoid free agency and make it a 4 to 5 year plan? Hey the fans are happy that we are starting over again, let's ditch everyone even though the draft is garbage.
Quote:Here is my only problem with 2013.... (Nothing new I state this regularly)
If you have a 3 year plan and you know the 2013 draft is weak, why do you avoid free agency and make it a 4 to 5 year plan? Hey the fans are happy that we are starting over again, let's ditch everyone even though the draft is garbage.
Because you don't rebuild a roster by blowing all of your cap space the first year on free agents.
Quote:Here is my only problem with 2013.... (Nothing new I state this regularly)
If you have a 3 year plan and you know the 2013 draft is weak, why do you avoid free agency and make it a 4 to 5 year plan? Hey the fans are happy that we are starting over again, let's ditch everyone even though the draft is garbage.
Those free agents we didn't sign could've won us a few extra games over the past few years. We probably wouldn't have Bortles as a result. I think gutting the roster to the point Caldwell did was by design to have us drafting in the top 5 for a few years so we could land a top QB prospect. It also involved a little luck since we never actually earned the number one overall pick but you can't control everything. Luck aside, Caldwell is looking very good as a GM his first 4 years. Wins need to start piling up now though.
Quote:Okay...which coaches could have been successful here with the combination of talent and inexperience we had in 2013-2015?
Pete Carrol, Jon Gruden, Bill Belicheck, John Madden... Shall i continue..
Quote:Pete Carrol, Jon Gruden, Bill Belicheck, John Madden... Shall i continue..
To be fair belicheck almost got fired from the pats before he got lucky and got Brady and he did get fired from the Browns. As for gruden, there's a reason why you see him on tv and not coaching. As for Carroll, he really respects Gus and thinks he is a great football mind. Yet you think gus is some definite entity as a bad coach. Do you just think Carroll is a bad evaluator then? As for madden, I hope you are talking about when he was younger because he hasn't been around the game in any high coach capacity in a long time. There's no way he would be great stepping in right now.
Quote:Can you add something with actual substance? I'm not giving anyone excuses. I don't personally know whether or not Gus can be a good coach yet. You, like a lot of people seem to just rather just say he can't be a coach then to add any analysis or intelligent thought. He might just be an awful coach but I don't think the way the defense played over the last 3 years can really dictate that either way. There was just hardly any quality starters on our defense and a lot of the ones we do have got injured.
People on this board are so adamant about Bradley being a worthless coach like they know for sure. Yeah maybe he is but we don't know yet. A similar negativity is being shown toward Jason Myers. He was abysmal in extra points but he has great potential. However, nobody wants to give him a chance to take the next step. Again, maybe he will never be consistent, but we don't know yet. He was a rookie with a mental hurdle with the new extra points. With an offseason of practice maybe he will come back and nail the new extra points.
Why dont you personally know if Gus can be a coach? Do you watch the games? Look it doesnt take much intelligence to conversate on the status of Gus's coaching ability... So far it has been bad! Can he become a good coach possible... But all we have is his body of work to judge, and 12 games in 3 years is trash!! I dont care what excuse you come up with and give him... If those wins dont come and come soon ... Yo Boy Gus is Gone! Is that enough substance for you?
Quote:To be fair belicheck almost got fired from the pats before he got lucky and got Brady and he did get fired from the Browns. As for gruden, there's a reason why you see him on tv and not coaching. As for Carroll, he really respects Gus and thinks he is a great football mind. Yet you think gus is some definite entity as a bad coach. Do you just think Carroll is a bad evaluator then? As for madden, I hope you are talking about when he was younger because he hasn't been around the game in any high coach capacity in a long time. There's no way he would be great stepping in right now.
Did we get lucky and get Bortles?? Carrol have far more coaching exp then Bradley im sure he could have done better... Their is no defense against these Superbowl winning head coaches.. Gus have given us 12 wins in 3 ...Its no argument..
Quote:Why dont you personally know if Gus can be a coach? Do you watch the games? Look it doesnt take much intelligence to conversate on the status of Gus's coaching ability... So far it has been bad! Can he become a good coach possible... But all we have is his body of work to judge, and 12 games in 3 years is trash!! I dont care what excuse you come up with and give him... If those wins dont come and come soon ... Yo Boy Gus is Gone! Is that enough substance for you?
There's really nothing you adding in that post. Everyone knows that if we don't start winning he will be gone. Nobody is debating that. The point is that people are so sure that he is a bad coach when there is a chance that he is a good or possibly great coach. There's different aspects of coaching obviously and to be a good coach you need to be sufficient in them. One of Gus's greatest attributes is the ability to have players work hard and have players want to play for him. Every player you talk to raves about Gus, free agents and current players alike. This can be just as important as X's and O's. Being a coach means the ability to lead and have people follow you. If you don't have that it doesn't matter how smart you are. The Dolphins coach got fired because the team gave up on him and there were rumblings that the players didn't want to play for him. They had so much more talent than we did last year yet they end with a crappy record just like us. Gus will never have this problem with players. Now the real question is if he can get the players to actually play well and develop in skill by his teachings. This is hard to evaluate with subpar talent on defense the past 3 years. How can you know for sure that he is bad at developing players to actually play well on the field when a lot of the players we've had would be sitting on the bench elsewhere. We will soon find out his coaching abilities in this category in the upcoming season.
Quote:Did we get lucky and get Bortles?? Carrol have far more coaching exp then Bradley im sure he could have done better... Their is no defense against these Superbowl winning head coaches.. Gus have given us 12 wins in 3 ...Its no argument..
There's a big difference between using a number 3 overall pick on a guy and a 6th rounder. One is luck and the other is a guy you expect to be good. Plus can't really compare Brady to bortles. If Brady was on the jags I'm sure they would've won more games last year. He is an all time great. You keep saying there is no argument even though I give you an argument that has merit. You can continue to ignore it if you want.
Quote:There's a big difference between using a number 3 overall pick on a guy and a 6th rounder. One is luck and the other is a guy you expect to be good. Plus can't really compare Brady to bortles. If Brady was on the jags I'm sure they would've won more games last year. He is an all time great. You keep saying there is no argument even though I give you an argument that has merit. You can continue to ignore it if you want.
So there is a big difference in Gabbert and Brady right? You see factors that make a good coach is the ability to get the most out his players and have that translate into wins... So far Gus have prove he might be a good coach/ position coach... But he havent proven to be a good head coach in any merit.. Its easy to say "well he didnt have the talent!" Well he sit down with Caldwell and pick who he wants on the team as well, let alone start.. Thats what head coaches do. Im tired of fans like u that give him excuses then when we go 4-12 again you dont have [BLEEP] to say!
Quote:So there is a big difference in Gabbert and Brady right? You see factors that make a good coach is the ability to get the most out his players and have that translate into wins... So far Gus have prove he might be a good coach/ position coach... But he havent proven to be a good head coach in any merit.. Its easy to say "well he didnt have the talent!" Well he sit down with Caldwell and pick who he wants on the team as well, let alone start.. Thats what head coaches do. Im tired of fans like u that give him excuses then when we go 4-12 again you dont have [BAD WORD REMOVED] to say!
I wrote a long response that you ignored that explained my thoughts. Look I'm not saying I love Gus or that he is good or bad. I'm just levelheaded enough to realize he hasn't really been able to prove that until this season coming up. If we don't go 9-7 or above then he can be fired with no problems. We just had a bunch of defensive starters that wouldn't see playing time anywhere else. It doesn't matter who is coaching gratz or having to put cyp in coverage because we had Sergio brown as FS. Come on we weren't going to be good with any coach. Hell our pass rush was so bad they literally never won unless we blitzed. One of the worst pass rushes I've seen in recent memory.