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For those comparing him to AP? Was AP the second best running back on his college team?

Quote:Lol the last handful of minutes of that video. I see you just found the slobberiest opinion you could find and hitched your wagon to it. Whew.

 

 

He was gushing pretty hard. I liked the part where he compared Fournette to Earl Campbell. I've spent some time considering where to rank the top RBs in NFL history, and Campbell is top five in my book. 

Quote:For those comparing him to AP? Was AP the second best running back on his college team?

 

Are you blindly accusing LF of not being a good RB because he wasn't the best on his team?

Quote:Are you blindly accusing LF of not being a good RB because he wasn't the best on his team?

You're better off not wasting your time haha

Quote:For those comparing him to AP? Was AP the second best running back on his college team?

Was MJD even the best running back on our team when he got here?.....So what? Such a stupid argument.

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it was only a matter of time before us common folk saw the problem that the spider chart divas have known for decades. 

Quote:Was MJD even the best running back on our team when he got here?.....So what? Such a stupid argument.

The bolded is nothing new coming from that poster.

 

He's the message board jester.

Ok y'all. Let's stop bashing Fournette. This happens every dang year when there's a player who has this much film to break down. Everyone nitpicks them to death. Ok, we get it! We all know what his strengths and weaknesses are. If we were drafting in the teens y'all wouldn't be this harsh but since we're at 4 and draft media is mocking him to us everyone is losing their [BLEEP].


Who's the pick then? A SS who doesn't cause turnovers, a FS who is unproven with only one year of tape, or an undersized DT that'll have to play DE. Come on, all these players have worts.


And all of y'all saying mccaffrey is a better RB than fournette needs to go watch his tape with the same microscope your using for fournette.

Graham Barfield‏ @GrahamBarfield

In the 2017 class, three RBs faced 8+ defenders in box on over half of their carries: Fournette (67%), McCaffrey (64%), McNichols (57%).

 

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Yards Created per Attempt versus eight or more defenders in the box: McCaffrey - 5.86 Fournette - 5.48 McNichols - 4.15

 

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For reference, Dalvin Cook faced 8 or more defenders on 42% of his attempts and he created 3.82 yards/attempt on such carries.

 

 

So the advantage Fournette was supposed to have, being able to run it even when the defense knows it's coming and is prepared for it, still falls on its face compared to McCaffrey. Essentially the same number of stacked boxes faced yet a whopping .4 yards more per carry...

 

I think it could be convincingly argued that McCaffrey is > Fournette in every facet of the game.


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<div>Graham Barfield‏ @GrahamBarfield

In the 2017 class, three RBs faced 8+ defenders in box on over half of their carries: Fournette (67%), McCaffrey (64%), McNichols (57%).

 

<div>Graham Barfield‏ @GrahamBarfield

Yards Created per Attempt versus eight or more defenders in the box: McCaffrey - 5.86 Fournette - 5.48 McNichols - 4.15

 

<div>Graham Barfield‏ @GrahamBarfield  7m7 minutes ago

For reference, Dalvin Cook faced 8 or more defenders on 42% of his attempts and he created 3.82 yards/attempt on such carries.

 

 

So the advantage Fournette was supposed to have, being able to run it even when the defense knows it's coming and is prepared for it, still falls on its face compared to McCaffrey. Essentially the same number of stacked boxes faced yet a whopping .4 yards more per carry...

 

I think it could be convincingly argued that McCaffrey is > Fournette in every facet of the game.


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No arguments here. Fournettes clearly the more powerful guy but everywhere else its McCaffrey

Quote:No arguments here. Fournettes clearly the more powerful guy but everywhere else its McCaffrey

I mean, as far as like pushing a pile I guess Fournette is more powerful...but I don't trust him any more than I do McCaffrey in short yardage/goal line situations.

 

McCaffrey's explosion and excellent vision to hit the right hole makes up for Fournette's weight advantage and bad vision I think. We've seen plenty of big dudes fail at short yardage duties and plenty of small guys excel at it. 

Quote:Ok y'all. Let's stop bashing Fournette. This happens every dang year when there's a player who has this much film to break down. Everyone nitpicks them to death. Ok, we get it! We all know what his strengths and weaknesses are. If we were drafting in the teens y'all wouldn't be this harsh but since we're at 4 and draft media is mocking him to us everyone is losing their [BAD WORD REMOVED].


Who's the pick then? A SS who doesn't cause turnovers, a FS who is unproven with only one year of tape, or an undersized DT that'll have to play DE. Come on, all these players have worts.


And all of y'all saying mccaffrey is a better RB than fournette needs to go watch his tape with the same microscope your using for fournette.

Whos the SS here? If its Jamal, he had more ints than Keanu Neal, and the same or near the same as a couple other good safeties over the last 15 years. If its peppers then I agree but no one is really talking about him anymore anyway. If that one year of tape is really good then it doesnt really matter that much. And whos the undersized DT? Allen is more of a tweener but hes pretty good at football regardless and solomon isnt an undersized DT, hes just a defensive end


Theres nothing wrong with being critical of the candidates. Thats kinda the point of all of this discussion, if we all just rolled over and accepted what were told about these guys wed be given a lot of bad info.

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In the 2017 class, three RBs faced 8+ defenders in box on over half of their carries: Fournette (67%), McCaffrey (64%), McNichols (57%).

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GrahamBarfield'>Graham Barfield‏ @GrahamBarfield</a>


Yards Created per Attempt versus eight or more defenders in the box: McCaffrey - 5.86 Fournette - 5.48 McNichols - 4.15

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GrahamBarfield'>Graham Barfield‏ @GrahamBarfield</a> <a class="bbc_url" href='https://twitter.com/GrahamBarfield/status/847623187101700098'>7m7 minutes ago</a>


For reference, Dalvin Cook faced 8 or more defenders on 42% of his attempts and he created 3.82 yards/attempt on such carries.



So the advantage Fournette was supposed to have, being able to run it even when the defense knows it's coming and is prepared for it, still falls on its face compared to McCaffrey. Essentially the same number of stacked boxes faced yet a whopping .4 yards more per carry...


I think it could be convincingly argued that McCaffrey is > Fournette in every facet of the game.

the pac 10's defenses are almost as bad as the big 12.

Now show what rank the defenses were that each of the top backs faced?

Quote:Whos the SS here? If its Jamal, he had more ints than Keanu Neal, and the same or near the same as a couple other good safeties over the last 15 years. If its peppers then I agree but no one is really talking about him anymore anyway. If that one year of tape is really good then it doesnt really matter that much. And whos the undersized DT? Allen is more of a tweener but hes pretty good at football regardless and solomon isnt an undersized DT, hes just a defensive end


Theres nothing wrong with being critical of the candidates. Thats kinda the point of all of this discussion, if we all just rolled over and accepted what were told about these guys wed be given a lot of bad info.

Keanu wasn't taken in the top 5 though. With hooker we have 0 measurables and you're having to project too much. I was referring to Allen not Thomas. It's looking like thomas isn't going to make it to 4.


Unless Thomas falls to 4 we're going to be reaching.

Quote:Now show what rank the defenses were that each of the top backs faced?

Here's a pretty good breakdown

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ'>https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ</a>

Quote:Keanu wasn't taken in the top 5 though. With hooker we have 0 measurables and you're having to project too much. I was referring to Allen not Thomas. It's looking like thomas isn't going to make it to 4.


Unless Thomas falls to 4 we're going to be reaching.

Thats not the point, the point is Jamals low amount of interceptions inst really indicative of him not translating to the next level if others of have done fine being in the same range as him while not being as good of prospects as Jamal. It would be nice to have the measurables but its not like Hooker is really in any danger of coming in slow or something.

Quote:Here's a pretty good breakdown

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ'>https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ</a>

So pac-12 and big-12 have some wet TP soft Defenses. Gotcha.

Quote:Thats not the point, the point is Jamals low amount of interceptions inst really indicative of him not translating to the next level if others of have done fine being in the same range as him while not being as good of prospects as Jamal. It would be nice to have the measurables but its not like Hooker is really in any danger of coming in slow or something.

How many top 5 safties have there been in the last 15 years? If they're not creating turnovers in college what makes you think that they will in the nfl? He's a quality starter sure but we're looking for impact players in the top 5. If you want a quality starter might as well take a lineman instead, it's a much more pressing need than safety.