Quote:How do you people even wrap your heads around this stuff? The mental makeup of the republican voter mind is probably the murkiest thing I've ever encountered.
Let's see what we have here.
The party of small government wants to blackmail cities - cities! Not states - into mandating policy handed down from the executive branch of the federal government.
All because of xenophobia.
What pathetic morons you have all become. Why are so afraid of illegal immigrants? You are much more likely to be victimized by an American.
Now let's look at what we have here that is reality.
Certain cities and jurisdictions refuse to comply with federal law in that when an
ILLEGAL alien is detained by law enforcement, they should be turned over to federal authorities. The illegal alien is detained by law enforcement because they broke city, county or state law. So the illegal alien has "two strikes" against them.
1. They are in the country illegally.
2. They broke local, county or state law.
It has nothing to do with xenophobia and everything to do with rule of law. It's not that those of us that are not liberals are "afraid" of illegal aliens, it's about upholding the law of the land.
Certain jurisdictions including municipal (city), county and it's fast becoming some states refuse to abide by federal law. That's OK though, they can do that. They just will do it without federal dollars coming to them.
Quote:Now let's look at what we have here that is reality.
Certain cities and jurisdictions refuse to comply with federal law in that when an ILLEGAL alien is detained by law enforcement, they should be turned over to federal authorities. The illegal alien is detained by law enforcement because they broke city, county or state law. So the illegal alien has "two strikes" against them.
1. They are in the country illegally.
2. They broke local, county or state law.
It has nothing to do with xenophobia and everything to do with rule of law. It's not that those of us that are not liberals are "afraid" of illegal aliens, it's about upholding the law of the land.
Certain jurisdictions including municipal (city), county and it's fast becoming some states refuse to abide by federal law. That's OK though, they can do that. They just will do it without federal dollars coming to them.
Priceless
Where do you think they get these federal dollars they plan to withold since the government makes 0 dollars?
Citizens in those cities should quit paying federal taxes.
It's not at all about illegal aliens. It's about over reach of the federal government.
Quote:Priceless
Where do you think they get these federal dollars they plan to withold since the government makes 0 dollars?
Citizens in those cities should quit paying federal taxes.
It's not at all about illegal aliens. It's about over reach of the federal government.
Please do it, don't pay your taxes. I'm excited to see what happens. Viva la Revolucion!
Quote:Please do it, don't pay your taxes. I'm excited to see what happens. Viva la Revolucion!
I don't think I have to worry about withheld funds. Interested in seeing this play out.
Quote:Priceless
Where do you think they get these federal dollars they plan to withold since the government makes 0 dollars?
Citizens in those cities should quit paying federal taxes.
It's not at all about illegal aliens. It's about over reach of the federal government.
My guess is that the evil government would win a battle of wills.
I find it hilarious to see a lib talking about overreach of federal government. Especially someone who is an advocate for ObamaCare, regulations that have crushed the coal industry, and forced the oil industry to work with older refineries that can't be modernized or expanded. The same government overreach I'm sure you cheer for when the big daddy tells auto manufacturers they have to meet CAFE standards that are fully intended to squeeze out the internal combustion engines that are most affordable to consumers. The same government overreach that had your messiah talking about how his environmental/energy policies would necessarily force energy prices to skyrocket. The same government overreach that basically took over 1/6 of the US economy to provide everyone with a magical unicorn in which everyone had cheap, affordable, effective healthcare coverage...only to find out after the fact that the truth was quite the opposite.
Suddenly you're a small government guy?
Quote:My guess is that the evil government would win a battle of wills.
I find it hilarious to see a lib talking about overreach of federal government. Especially someone who is an advocate for ObamaCare, regulations that have crushed the coal industry, and forced the oil industry to work with older refineries that can't be modernized or expanded. The same government overreach I'm sure you cheer for when the big daddy tells auto manufacturers they have to meet CAFE standards that are fully intended to squeeze out the internal combustion engines that are most affordable to consumers. The same government overreach that had your messiah talking about how his environmental/energy policies would necessarily force energy prices to skyrocket. The same government overreach that basically took over 1/6 of the US economy to provide everyone with a magical unicorn in which everyone had cheap, affordable, effective healthcare coverage...only to find out after the fact that the truth was quite the opposite.
Suddenly you're a small government guy?
Kind of humorous because not one of those things you claimed are true.
If we could just get past all the usual name-calling and mud slinging, it's a really interesting issue, whether the state or local government are within their rights to refuse to enforce federal law, and whether the executive branch of the federal government is within its rights to selectively withhold funds as punishment.
As far as I can tell from a minimal amount of research, state and local governments do not have to help the federal government enforce federal law. Whether the executive branch of the federal government has the power to withhold money that has been authorized by Congress seems kind of doubtful. As far as I know, disbursement of funds has to be authorized by the legislative branch, and that would imply that the Executive branch cannot just refuse to disburse the funds.
It's interesting because we have legalized sale of marijuana in some states, which is in direct violation of federal law. But as I recall, the Obama administration did not enforce federal law in that case. They could have come in and shut down the marijuana dispensaries and charged the proprietors with a federal crime, but they would have had to use federal law enforcement personnel.
Quote:Still name calling huh?
Let's be honest Cleat, oface lead the charge in the name calling department
Quote:Now let's look at what we have here that is reality.
Certain cities and jurisdictions refuse to comply with federal law in that when an ILLEGAL alien is detained by law enforcement, they should be turned over to federal authorities. The illegal alien is detained by law enforcement because they broke city, county or state law. So the illegal alien has "two strikes" against them.
1. They are in the country illegally.
2. They broke local, county or state law.
It has nothing to do with xenophobia and everything to do with rule of law. It's not that those of us that are not liberals are "afraid" of illegal aliens, it's about upholding the law of the land.
Certain jurisdictions including municipal (city), county and it's fast becoming some states refuse to abide by federal law. That's OK though, they can do that. They just will do it without federal dollars coming to them.
Once this occurs, what stops the individuals of those states from sending the Federal Government their taxes?
People tend to look at the issue with tainted glasses. Let me put it in simple terms that even liberals should understand.
One of the primary duties of the federal government is to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. An illegal alien (undocumented worker in "liberal speak") has broken the law and presents a danger to this country. It might not be in the form of violence, rather it might be in the form of "economic danger". Sanctuary cities typically allow illegal aliens to apply for and receive "benefits" or "assistance" which is pretty much provided through federal funds. That equates to your federal tax dollars (assuming that you actually pay taxes) going towards supporting them.
In simple terms that even a liberal should understand, the federal government asks law enforcement officials to report any illegal aliens that they have in custody. Basically these "sanctuary cities" refuse to do so. It doesn't matter if the suspect is in custody for a DUI or a murder. The liberal "sanctuary cities" refuse to get rid of this kind of scum.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter "why" or "how" an illegal alien came into the country, what matters is that they need to go. If the so-called "sanctuary cities" want to harbor them, then they need to deal with the issues that they bring and not do it with federal funding.
Quote:People tend to look at the issue with tainted glasses. Let me put it in simple terms that even liberals should understand.
One of the primary duties of the federal government is to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. An illegal alien (undocumented worker in "liberal speak") has broken the law and presents a danger to this country. It might not be in the form of violence, rather it might be in the form of "economic danger". Sanctuary cities typically allow illegal aliens to apply for and receive "benefits" or "assistance" which is pretty much provided through federal funds. That equates to your federal tax dollars (assuming that you actually pay taxes) going towards supporting them.
In simple terms that even a liberal should understand, the federal government asks law enforcement officials to report any illegal aliens that they have in custody. Basically these "sanctuary cities" refuse to do so. It doesn't matter if the suspect is in custody for a DUI or a murder. The liberal "sanctuary cities" refuse to get rid of this kind of scum.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter "why" or "how" an illegal alien came into the country, what matters is that they need to go. If the so-called "sanctuary cities" want to harbor them, then they need to deal with the issues that they bring and not do it with federal funding.
Not everybody see them as a scourge on society.
Quote:Let's be honest Cleat, oface lead the charge in the name calling department
I've seen Dakota name call way more than anyone else on this board. He uses Libtard constantly like it's some hilarious thing he created.
Others name call as well but he takes the cake.
Quote:Not everybody see them as a scourge on society.
I don't see Stoners that way. Doesnt mean they arent criminals.
Quote:I don't see Stoners that way. Doesnt mean they arent criminals.
Colorado says they're not
Quote:Colorado says they're not
True, but we'll see h0w that plays out.
Quote:True, but we'll see h0w that plays out.
Making laws just to have a law.
Quote:Making laws just to have a law.
Drug laws have the very specific purpose of oppressing minorities.
Quote:I've seen Dakota name call way more than anyone else on this board. He uses Libtard constantly like it's some hilarious thing he created.
Others name call as well but he takes the cake.
Perhaps, but Oface is in the same zip code so to speak