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Didn't see Hard Knocks last year.  But I know he wasn't overly productive last year, and had some sort of off field incident this offseason.

BO is a backup QB and Will Fuller has stone hands.  Fail.

Indy is serving up 50-burgers in 2016.  Luck better score 60 a game. 

Tennessee?  Let's get big and slow!  Fail.

LeftTown...I hope you are right.

Quote:I rank the Texans next, but not because I'm being a homer and think that the Titans didn't draft well. It's because O'Brien and Smith said that they would overhaul the offense and finally add speed no matter what, and they did just that. They were very bold and aggressive, even though trading up a couple of spots twice seemed dumb to a lot of people, I liked it because it showed that OB and Smith intended to get the guys they wanted and they refused to be undermined no matter what. I liked the Fuller pick mainly because it's nice that opposing defenses won't always be able to stack the box with both safeties or double team Hopkins anymore, which was a huge issue for us last season. His hands are concerning, but that could improve over time. Martin should solidify the line and I think Braxton was a weird, bold pick, but he does have tremendous upside and is fiery so he could be at least a dangerous returner starting off. We maybe could have tried harder to look for a DE opposite Watt, but it's still hard to complain about a faster offense. Now it's all up to Brock. I give ours a B+.

 

What I don't really get though, is that nearly everyone player the Texans took is really a project/developmental pick. Yes they got speed guys, but they are also guys with very questionable hands, route running, or vision. Yes they got a great athlete/offensive weapon but has only been playing WR for 1 year so he is very questionable. Most rookie WR don't bust out like the 2014 class. How many of them really make an impact this year? 

Sure you now have an option to punish teams for double teaming Hopkins, but will they be able to make those big plays this year or in 2-3 years?

 

Even on their defensive players may only get time because they don't have legit veterans to play the positions right now. Only Martin can truly be marked down to be expected to make any impact this season. 

 

Given their defense is aging and Osweiler will be expected to produce immediately because "he's a veteran", I feel their plan may not work.

Quote:Question is did the Colts do enough to protect him?

 

Kelly helps, but I dunno about Clark.  No pass rushers for them until the 6th round.

 

As for the Texans, I heard Hopkins was quoted as saying "No more double teams."

 

I think if Ramsey is what we think he is, we won't NEED to double team Hopkins.

 

to be fair, it's not like we double teamed him to begin with.  Others teams I'm sure do, but we had him matched up with House almost always.

Quote:to be fair, it's not like we double teamed him to begin with.  Others teams I'm sure do, but we had him matched up with House almost always.

 

The Hopkins/House matchup was horrible. It seemed like House struggled to catch up with Hopkins because of his speed. I will love watching Ramsey cover Hopkins this year if they line up on the same side.

Quote:The Hopkins/House matchup was horrible. It seemed like House struggled to catch up with Hopkins because of his speed. I will love watching Ramsey cover Hopkins this year if they line up on the same side.

No. The Hopkins/House matchup got ugly at the end of games bc Hopkins was able to push off and get away with it. He's an OPI machine. There were only a handful of plays where House was flat beat.

Quote:No. The Hopkins/House matchup got ugly at the end of games bc Hopkins was able to push off and get away with it. He's an OPI machine. There were only a handful of plays where House was flat beat.

 

OPI does not explain how fast Hopkins can run. I want to see if Ramsey can get to Hopkins faster than House did.

Quote:OPI does not explain how fast Hopkins can run. I want to see if Ramsey can get to Hopkins faster than House did.

OPI explains why House got beat by 10 yards. Hopkins is fast, but House held his own pretty admirably against him.

Quote:OPI explains why House got beat by 10 yards. Hopkins is fast, but House held his own pretty admirably against him.

 

Yeah I could see his motor and effort were there; he was just getting screwed by uncalled penalties. But I still want to see if Ramsey's elite speed and ball skills make him a better matchup against Hopkins.

AFC South will be the division and the teams to beat in 2016!

I honestly liked the Jags draft. As deep as they said this draft was, unless you had multiple 1st & 2nds, it didn't really help.


However I think Jacksonville hit on both their first & second picks. Completely lucked out on Jalen Ramsey, but it's not how you did it that counts right?


I think Jack's knee is going to be fine for the first four years at least & he'll make an impact right away. Why? Because that's just the kind of luck the Texans have, that's why.


Beyond that, rounds 3 through 7 it's the same crap shoot it's always been. I like Ngakoue but odds are he'll be a solid role player, or he'll impact the game next year, or the year after, if ever.


I still don't think your defense will be top 3 or anything so there's still some catching up to do. Maybe top 15.


Our draft... Will Fuller will make an impact from day 1. He might not he all Antonio Brown or nothing, bit we're going to be eating up chunks of yards, on th ground after contact, in the short passing game in yac... the fields going to get a lot bigger for us. We'll have room to run with the ball. Even with Hopkins, teams have 10 guys within 7 to 10 yards of the LOS. Watch, next season that number will start at 9, just because Fuller is on our team. Eventually it will be eight.


Nick Martin will be a day 1 starter. How big an impact, hard to say. But it's his job to lose. After that, it's the crap shoot again. I feel as good about Braxton Miller making an impact as I do about Yannick making an impact.


Now QBs... we're all playing with Matt Schaub level QBs except the Colts, they've got a Matt Stafford kinda guy. They're all going to look different doing it, but the end result will be the same. A playoff win here & there, but not much more.


The first team to figure that out will be ahead of the game.

Quote:Bobizzle,


Were there any signs the Texans soured on last year's 3rd round pick Jaelen Strong before the draft?

Hard to say really. He was in OB'S doghouse last season for awhile because he apparently didn't stay in good condition physically during training camp, so he didn't get much playing time to start the season. He got playing time later in the season because he worked harder and finally earned his way out of the doghouse according to reports, and so he was used alot more.


But now with the pot incident in Arizona, who knows how that will affect him...I don't necessarily think that us drafting Fuller and Miller means that String is on the hot seat of getting cut or anything, but depending on how OB takes the pot incident and what Strong does to make up for it, he could lose playing time again.


It's a bummer if that happens, but he at least makes decent depth at the very least. If Hopkins ever went down (God forbid), I'm guessing Strong would be the main one to try and replace him since they have similar skill sets.

Thunder, you can't possibly know who all four AFCS  quarterbacks are and think three of them are like Matt Schaub. Blake Bortles threw as many TD passes last year as Cam Newton and had over 4,000 passing yards. He also had more 20 yard completions than any other QB in 2015. Meanwhile Marcus Mariota showed everyone he deserved to be the #2 overall pick and lots of potential to improve in 2016. I saw Brock Osweiler play with the Broncos and never thought he is as bad as Matt Schaub; rather, miscommunication caused by lack of chemistry caused the receivers to drop passes. How well he plays as the default starter remains to be seen, but I am worried he will play better than Brian Hoyer did.

 

Back to the draft: I am a huge Buckeyes fan and watched Braxton Miller almost every week. Although he was officially listed as a WR, he also lined up as a QB on some plays (just to run, not throw) and at RB. He changed positions to stay at Ohio State for his senior year without losing the starting job after missing all of 2014 with a right shoulder injury. Don't expect him to do much as a rookie. He should be fine after learning how to play WR in the NFL.

Quote:What I don't really get though, is that nearly everyone player the Texans took is really a project/developmental pick. Yes they got speed guys, but they are also guys with very questionable hands, route running, or vision. Yes they got a great athlete/offensive weapon but has only been playing WR for 1 year so he is very questionable. Most rookie WR don't bust out like the 2014 class. How many of them really make an impact this year?

Sure you now have an option to punish teams for double teaming Hopkins, but will they be able to make those big plays this year or in 2-3 years?


Even on their defensive players may only get time because they don't have legit veterans to play the positions right now. Only Martin can truly be marked down to be expected to make any impact this season.


Given their defense is aging and Osweiler will be expected to produce immediately because "he's a veteran", I feel their plan may not work.

I get what you're saying. The Texans are in win now mode and OB and Smith have made that clear, but there also isn't any doubt that none of these guys are instant plug and play contributors except for maybe Martin. Braxton especially is probably a 2 or 3 year project before he becomes a consistent contributor as a receiver, and obviously Fuller has alot of work to do on his hands.


But at the same time, this team needed to try to do something different. Just TRY. And so far it looks like they are willing to do that. Signing Brock was a significant gamble, but it wasn't really as risky as trying to trade away a bunch of picks in hopes of getting Goff or Wentz. Even though his sample size is small and he does have some issues that need to be coached on, he is still a young QB that has a high ceiling if he pans out. And he does have good work ethic. So it's a worthwhile gamble and it's the best possible route we could take.


And the team has now done everything it can to give him the best possible chance to succeed. Lamar Miller should at least be a high second tier #1 back, which is probably our best acquisition overall so far. And with all these speedy guys we drafted, it should open up the field for him often.


So in other words: if Brock struggles, it shouldn't be over a year before we move on. Because he will have very little excuses. Amd yes the chances of that happening are reasonable, so the win now mentality may not work out ultimately. Especially since our defense only has a three year window at best before we start to lose people.


But the team at least needed to be bold and try. And as fans, sometimes that's all you can ask for.

Quote:There's the problem, he's a backup level QB. Lining up more options out wide for him won't improve his performance if he has to actually make any reads. I foresee a lot of bubble screens and quick slants behind offensive pass interferences from the texans coming up when the texans line up four wide.


The good news for texans fans is they still get another year of playing against the Jaguars under coach Gus, who thus far hasn't shown he has any ability to coach anyone up at all, so even though the Jaguars are obviously the most all around talented team in the division I could easily see them going .500 or below, which should get the Gus Bus pulled over and impounded.

We shall see. I hope he proves to be a worthwhile starter, but as Texans fans we know to be cautious. So many take Schäuble for granted, yes his last year with us was a dumpster fire, but he was still pretty darn good in 2011 and 2012. It's unfortunate the team didn't try to put a more dynamic offense around him back then. Kubiak's scheme ended up way too stale in the end.


And yeah, Bradley is starting to look like the weak link for y'all right now. Some head coaches are just better off as coordinators, and right now, he's not helping his cause to say otherwise.

Quote:AFC South will be the division and the teams to beat in 2016!

Agreed! It'll be nice to a least play some meaningful division rivalry games.

USA Today

AFC South Draft Grades by Lindsay H. Jones (May 1, 2016 7pm)

 

 

#1.) Jacksonville Jaguars

Grade: A

Analysis: Jacksonville’s hot offseason continued through the draft. The Jags managed to snag defensive back Jalen Ramsey, whom many considered to be the draft’s best defensive player, at No. 5, and still land linebacker Myles Jack in the second round. Jack might be a long-term medical risk with concerns about his knee, but right now it’s fun to imagine this revamped defense that also includes 2015 first-round defensive end Dante Fowler, who missed his entire rookie year.

 

#2.) Houston Texans

Grade: B+

Analysis: Houston is clearly trying to do everything it can to help new starting quarterback Brock Osweiler. Notre Dame WR Will Fuller should stretch the field working opposite DeAndre Hopkins. But two of the best picks might end up being interior OL Nick Martin, who has an NFL pedigree as the brother of Cowboys OL Zack Martin, and WR Braxton Miller, who doesn’t appear close to reaching his potential yet at that new position.

 

Tie #3.) Tennessee Titans

Grade: B

Analysis: The Titans made the most of the draft haul they got from the Rams in exchange for moving back from the No. 1 spot. Picking Michigan State OT Jack Conkin at No. 8 after another trade was a safe move, and the Titans may have gotten a steal in the second round with Clemson DE Kevin Dodd. The most confusing pick may have been the second-round pick of the reigning Heisman Trophy winner in Alabama RB Derrick Henry. Henry playing with QB Marcus Mariota might sound appealing, but what does it mean for DeMarco Murray?

 

Tie #3.) Indianapolis Colts

Grade: B

Analysis: GM Ryan Grigson had to hit on this draft after a disastrous 2015 season, and he deserves some credit for acknowledging and addressing  the offensive line and Andrew Luck's protection. First-round pick center Ryan Kelly of Alabama looks like a Day 1 starter, so that’s a good first step, as was picking up two more offensive tackles.

Quote:I honestly liked the Jags draft. As deep as they said this draft was, unless you had multiple 1st & 2nds, it didn't really help.


However I think Jacksonville hit on both their first & second picks. Completely lucked out on Jalen Ramsey, but it's not how you did it that counts right?


I think Jack's knee is going to be fine for the first four years at least & he'll make an impact right away. Why? Because that's just the kind of luck the Texans have, that's why.


Beyond that, rounds 3 through 7 it's the same crap shoot it's always been. I like Ngakoue but odds are he'll be a solid role player, or he'll impact the game next year, or the year after, if ever.


I still don't think your defense will be top 3 or anything so there's still some catching up to do. Maybe top 15.


Our draft... Will Fuller will make an impact from day 1. He might not he all Antonio Brown or nothing, bit we're going to be eating up chunks of yards, on th ground after contact, in the short passing game in yac... the fields going to get a lot bigger for us. We'll have room to run with the ball. Even with Hopkins, teams have 10 guys within 7 to 10 yards of the LOS. Watch, next season that number will start at 9, just because Fuller is on our team. Eventually it will be eight.


Nick Martin will be a day 1 starter. How big an impact, hard to say. But it's his job to lose. After that, it's the crap shoot again. I feel as good about Braxton Miller making an impact as I do about Yannick making an impact.


Now QBs... we're all playing with Matt Schaub level QBs except the Colts, they've got a Matt Stafford kinda guy. They're all going to look different doing it, but the end result will be the same. A playoff win here & there, but not much more.


The first team to figure that out will be ahead of the game.

Good takes.

 

While I am excited about the defensive infusion in this draft, I think it reasonable to expect improvement, but not top of the league improvement. 

 

While I am not completely sold on the first year impacts of your receivers, I DO think Martin was a find for you.  In fact, he was a guy I wanted for the Jaguars.

 

The one take here I DO have a problem with was your QB analysis.  I get that all except Luck are considered young QBs and will have their moments of inconsistency.  For that matter, until Schaub's last year in Houston, he was a good QB.  But I think all of these guys have ceilings much higher than Schaub.  For instance, in just his second year, Bortles already eclipsed 4000 yards passing and shattered Schaub's career best TD passes in a year.  I do think all three have stuff to work on.  Bortles needs to work on protecting the ball and himself better.  Mariota needs to work on his accuracy, especially on deep stuff.  Osweiler has to work on accuracy, too.

Quote:It's a bummer if that happens, but he at least makes decent depth at the very least. If Hopkins ever went down (God forbid), I'm guessing Strong would be the main one to try and replace him since they have similar skill sets.

As an outsider looking in (so take it FWIW) I don't see similar skill sets.

 

I see Strong as more of a physical receiver than Hopkins.  I see Hopkins as capable of being physical, but I think he is a much smoother route runner and gets good separation.