Quote:Thunder, you can't possibly know who all four AFCS quarterbacks are and think three of them are like Matt Schaub. Blake Bortles threw as many TD passes last year as Cam Newton and had over 4,000 passing yards. He also had more 20 yard completions than any other QB in 2015. Meanwhile Marcus Mariota showed everyone he deserved to be the #2 overall pick and lots of potential to improve in 2016. I saw Brock Osweiler play with the Broncos and never thought he is as bad as Matt Schaub; rather, miscommunication caused by lack of chemistry caused the receivers to drop passes. How well he plays as the default starter remains to be seen, but I am worried he will play better than Brian Hoyer did.
Sorry, I'm not one of those Texans fans that only remember the bad Schaub. For the most part, he was an above average starter. The only thing separating him from the elites, was meaningful wins. So when I say they're all Matt Schaub, it's not an insult.
Quote:Sorry, I'm not one of those Texans fans that only remember the bad Schaub. For the most part, he was an above average starter. The only thing separating him from the elites, was meaningful wins. So when I say they're all Matt Schaub, it's not an insult.
WTH happened with Schaub that last year in Houston, anyhow?
He had always been decent at avoiding turnovers, but then all of a sudden he had this seemingly endless string of devastating pick 6 INTs that simply devastated the Texans. I mean, Garrard had a 3 game stretch for us back in 2006 where he ruined our playoff chances. Schaub's stretch was about 10 games or so.
Was there some sort of injury nobody knew about or what?
Quote:WTH happened with Schaub that last year in Houston, anyhow?
He had always been decent at avoiding turnovers, but then all of a sudden he had this seemingly endless string of devastating pick 6 INTs that simply devastated the Texans. I mean, Garrard had a 3 game stretch for us back in 2006 where he ruined our playoff chances. Schaub's stretch was about 10 games or so.
Was there some sort of injury nobody knew about or what?
Most people think it was his foot. After Haynesworth broke Schaub's Lisfranc, he struggled to push off/plant on it. Which affected his accuracy. We knew it was a degenerative condition which would get worse as the season went on. However, no one expected it to be an issue from game 1 (he actually had two great games to start the 2013 season, pick 6 & all, but fell off drastically after that). This may have been due to going through the entire offseason program, something he didn't do in 2012. & the problem didn't show up until December that year. If you remember, we were tearing through the NFL that year, 12-1 at one time, then lost our last four.
I think that we put more pressure on him to be the guy to carry the team. All offseason, if it wasn't our coach saying Schaub needed to step up, it was our GM, if it weren't them, it was our owner... fans been saying long before that. I think he was trying to hard. Instead of taking what the defense was giving him, he was trying to make plays, responding to the pressure he & the organization put on him. He had never been good under pressure, especially when he's got time to think about it.
Quote:Most people think it was his foot. After Haynesworth broke Schaub's Lisfranc, he struggled to push off/plant on it. Which affected his accuracy. We knew it was a degenerative condition which would get worse as the season went on. However, no one expected it to be an issue from game 1 (he actually had two great games to start the 2013 season, pick 6 & all, but fell off drastically after that). This may have been due to going through the entire offseason program, something he didn't do in 2012. & the problem didn't show up until December that year. If you remember, we were tearing through the NFL that year, 12-1 at one time, then lost our last four.
I think that we put more pressure on him to be the guy to carry the team. All offseason, if it wasn't our coach saying Schaub needed to step up, it was our GM, if it weren't them, it was our owner... fans been saying long before that. I think he was trying to hard. Instead of taking what the defense was giving him, he was trying to make plays, responding to the pressure he & the organization put on him. He had never been good under pressure, especially when he's got time to think about it.
Well, I always liked Schaub when he was in Virginia and a backup in Atlanta.
I was concerned when the Texans acquired him, and was mystified by his collapse.
Quote:As an outsider looking in (so take it FWIW) I don't see similar skill sets.
I see Strong as more of a physical receiver than Hopkins. I see Hopkins as capable of being physical, but I think he is a much smoother route runner and gets good separation.
Well no, I agree with that for sure. My point is that Strong is the guy that comes closest to Hopkins overall skillset, and therefore would be the guy that we would likely turn to in that scenario.
I think Miller could potentially become a #1 or very reliable #2 receiver one day, but he definitely is a project and still has plenty of work to do. Luckily he has the work ethic and mentality to want to be great, but it'll probably be at least two years before he's ready to consistently be on the field as a receiver.
Either way, it's nice to know that the Texans should have enough depth to not worry if something happens to Hopkins, again God forbid. That's one thing that was always scary when we had Andrew still going strong-until we drafted Hopkins, we hardly had any playmaking receivers behind him and it sorely showed when he didn't play.
Quote:I think Miller could potentially become a #1 or very reliable #2 receiver one day, but he definitely is a project and still has plenty of work to do. Luckily he has the work ethic and mentality to want to be great, but it'll probably be at least two years before he's ready to consistently be on the field as a receiver.
I'm not getting that at all. Dude's done nothing but work on his craft since the end of the college football season. You can tell by how naturally he caught the ball at the combine & he's out there working with some WR guru & Jalen Strong... which speaks to the work eithic part.
But I think the drops is being made into a bigger issue than it really is. His intermediate routes aren't crisp, but that's not "project" stuff. I think he'll start day 1 & be an impact from the get go. This is not Jacoby Jones.
Quote:Sorry, I'm not one of those Texans fans that only remember the bad Schaub. For the most part, he was an above average starter. The only thing separating him from the elites, was meaningful wins. So when I say they're all Matt Schaub, it's not an insult.
Calling every QB Matt Schaub is a huge insult to Blake Bortles. When did Schaub throw for over 4,000 yards and 35 TDs in the same year?
Quote:Calling every QB Matt Schaub is a huge insult to Blake Bortles. When did Schaub throw for over 4,000 yards and 35 TDs in the same year?
That wasn't his point at all. He's right. Matt Schaub wasn't always the scrub QB we saw during his last season in Houston...but that's all most folks seem to remember, sadly. There was a stretch of time when Schaub was actually pretty good as he alluded to.
Quote:Calling every QB Matt Schaub is a huge insult to Blake Bortles. When did Schaub throw for over 4,000 yards and 35 TDs in the same year?
Schaub wasn't playing from behind all the time and we had Foster to hand off to.
And he threw for 4770 yards and 29 TD's in 09 and 4370 with 24 TD's in 08.
Quote: Schaub wasn't playing from behind all the time and we had Foster to hand off to.
And he threw for 4770 yards and 29 TD's in 09 and 4370 with 24 TD's in 08.
To be fair, Blake wasn't playing from behind all that often last year. We had 4th quarter ties/leads in a majority of games.
That being said, Schaub was very good for a while. I don't think comparing them is an insult to Bortles or to Schaub. Bortles is younger and I think he'll end up better than Schaub was, bit he was good for an extended period of time
Quote:To be fair, Blake wasn't playing from behind all that often last year. We had 4th quarter ties/leads in a majority of games.
That being said, Schaub was very good for a while. I don't think comparing them is an insult to Bortles or to Schaub. Bortles is younger and I think he'll end up better than Schaub was, bit he was good for an extended period of time
I'll agree with this.
But at 5-11 last year the Jags had to be playing from behind quite a bit.
Quote:Calling every QB Matt Schaub is a huge insult to Blake Bortles. When did Schaub throw for over 4,000 yards and 35 TDs in the same year?
Take it how you like. I meant no harm.
Quote: I'll agree with this.
But at 5-11 last year the Jags had to be playing from behind quite a bit.
You'd be surprised if you didn't watch the Jags games. We generally didn't fall behind until late in the 4th.
Besides the Pats and Saints games.
Strong is more like Hopkins, with a little more speed. Fuller and Miller have much more speed to stretch the field. This is not about Strong not doing something, its about adding my playmakers with speed. The WR corp was Hopkins, Strong, Cecil Shorts, and Mumphrey. They need an influx of speed and depth. I can see Mumphrey not making the team (unless they want to get rid of Shorts).
Quote:That wasn't his point at all. He's right. Matt Schaub wasn't always the scrub QB we saw during his last season in Houston...but that's all most folks seem to remember, sadly. There was a stretch of time when Schaub was actually pretty good as he alluded to.
Shaub had some decent seasons as a veteran, but compared with what Bortles is doing as a second year player Schaub was miles behind where Bortles is already. He was the texans equivalent of David Garrard, seemingly good only because they've never had a great QB, much like the Jaguars before Bortles.
Quote:Shaub had some decent seasons as a veteran, but compared with what Bortles is doing as a second year player Schaub was miles behind where Bortles is already. He was the texans equivalent of David Garrard, seemingly good only because they've never had a great QB, much like the Jaguars before Bortles.
Exactly. Fans of a team that never had an elite QB in franchise history are going to think average Joe passers like Matt Schaub are great because they don't know what it means to truly have a great QB. Jaguars fans have that now - a great QB in the making.
Hey...you guys don't need to convince me of anything. I'm just co-signing that Schaub wasn't always a scrub. He wasn't. No more, no less. :-)
Quote:The irony...
Yeah. As much as I love Bortles, we have no room to talk. Sure it's logical to think he'll continue progressing, but there's a slight chance he regresses.
At THIS POINT, Schaub had the better career than Blake. We can't talk trash yet.
Quote:Yeah. As much as I love Bortles, we have no room to talk. Sure it's logical to think he'll continue progressing, but there's a slight chance he regresses.
At THIS POINT, Schaub had the better career than Blake. We can't talk trash yet.
You're wrong on two counts. First one is that it's easy to recognize in hind sight that guys like Schaub and Garrard were just middle of the pack at best QBs. There is no irony in being able to see that.
Second is the notion that Schaub has had a better career. As it is if he's remembered at all it'll be as an injury prone game manager that never could pull out a win if it was on his shoulders to put his team ahead. Bortles, on the other hand, is already well above where Schaub is as far as perception goes. If Bortles were to get hit by a meteorite and never played again he'd be remembered as an incredible stud whose career was cut tragically short.
Could Bortles screw that up? Sure, and pigs could fly. We've seen Bortles, we know what he's got. As long as he doesn't suffer a career ending injury he's going to be a franchise level QB for a long time.