I think (as someone who else pointed out) is that what we are seeing now isn't Cook's draft stock falling because he didn't perform at the combine. We are seeing him drop down mock draft boards because reporters are learning what the NFL teams really think of him.
Quote:So multiple scouts, analysts, nfl.com's scouts that provide grades, most everyone here...all delusional? Not sure how much you're exaggerating, but I'm going to say I disagree with you as does thousands of others.
I saw Cook's stock fall once the injury and off the field issues started popping up. The difference with him falling and Fournette from my understand is he is worse off the field and his injuries are more of a concern. With that being said i am concerned with Fournette and his issues with injuries just as well although he's still a Majority TOP 5 player. When i watch the games these two played i see Cook as being wayyyyyyyyyyyy more elusive and being called upon wayyyyyy more being the superstar back for his team.
I just don't see Fournette as a Superstar RB yet since he didn't get to showcase it being in a committee at LSU. if the majority of scouts believe Fournette is a better RB than Cook despite injuries and off the field concerns, which is basically what everyone is saying. I have to respectfully agree to disagree.
Quote:We should be paying more attention to Foreman doing his pro day right now instead. 4.41-4.43 and 7.00 3 cone at 233. That's impressive.
11.41 60 yard shuttle while slipping some on the turf rubber pellets. Woulda been good for 3rd best at the combine.
Foreman has been the forgotten man, this is impressive.
Quote:We should be paying more attention to Foreman doing his pro day right now instead. 4.41-4.43 and 7.00 3 cone at 233. That's impressive.
11.41 60 yard shuttle while slipping some on the turf rubber pellets. Woulda been good for 3rd best at the combine.
Thank you. On top of that, scouts said he looked much improved on his pass blocking drills and he caught everything thrown to him in the receiving drills. He's gonna be rising up the boards now. I predict he goes ahead of Cook given Cook's pedestrian workout numbers and off the field issues. From what I read, he is still hanging out with unsavory characters as well. The character issues are gonna hurt him. If I was friends with thugs and I had millions of dollars on the line with teams watching my every move, I'd ditch those guys in a heartbeat. They be messin' with my paper. LOL. Did I say that right?
Quote:But at the end of the day bro. Cook played his bowl game. Fournette chose to quit on his team and not play.
I bet Jaylon Smith wishes he didn't play in his bowl games. Bowl games mean absolutely nothing to the college player. It's all about the money for the school.
McCaffery sat out too so let's not even think about drafting him either.
Get a clue man.
Quote:We should be paying more attention to Foreman doing his pro day right now instead. 4.41-4.43 and 7.00 3 cone at 233. That's impressive.
11.41 60 yard shuttle while slipping some on the turf rubber pellets. Woulda been good for 3rd best at the combine.
So we shouldn't care about Cooks pro day but we should Foremans?
Just pick and choose when it matters I guess.
Quote:Huh?
KY basically claimed that pro days don't matter but he's hyping up Foreman for the one he had.
Quote:Thank you. On top of that, scouts said he looked much improved on his pass blocking drills and he caught everything thrown to him in the receiving drills. He's gonna be rising up the boards now. I predict he goes ahead of Cook given Cook's pedestrian workout numbers and off the field issues. From what I read, he is still hanging out with unsavory characters as well. The character issues are gonna hurt him. If I was friends with thugs and I had millions of dollars on the line with teams watching my every move, I'd ditch those guys in a heartbeat. They be messin' with my paper. LOL. Did I say that right?
Yeah rosterwatch was posting clips of his footwork and receiving drills and they were a hell of a lot better than the clips Mike Kaye was posting about Cook's. Well, the receiving was maybe on par but Foreman's feet were so much quicker.
Quote:KY basically claimed that pro days don't matter but he's hyping up Foreman for the one he had.
First of all, when did I say that?
Second, it's different for a guy like Foreman who didn't perform at the combine, obviously.
Quote:First of all, when did I say that?
Second, it's different for a guy like Foreman who didn't perform at the combine, obviously.
my thoughts as well. Pro day means much more for players that don't don't or can't participate at the combine
Quote:First of all, when did I say that?
Second, it's different for a guy like Foreman who didn't perform at the combine, obviously.
Answer: Page 1.
2 questions though...
What round do you think Foreman goes in; and how do you see our draft shaking out before him if we wait on him for the RB selection?
Cook has a lot of red flags. 3 shoulder surgeries already, fumbling issues, pass protection issues, and an off the field arrest record that will curl your hair. I'm not surprised that his draft stock is dropping.
I'm going to be fair here though, not like so many of the Fournette haters. Dalvin Cook passes the eye test to me. I watch a lot of Seminole football, and he is absolutely electric. I don't want him at 4 but I will say that if he fell to 35, I don't care who our pick was at 4, I would take him. It sounds looney, but Fournett and Cook both would be an embarrassment of riches. Cook does so many things well, that even if you arent handing him the ball 20 times a game, you just get it to him.
I've been talking a lot about not getting lost in the weeds of some narrow stat lately. I think people do that to LF and they miss the big picture cause they don't trust their eyes. I apply the same thing to Cook. I recognize the value of combine numbers and this stat or that stat, but watch games, not cutups, not highlights, and I think you will see that both players pass that eye test. They have that IT factor. Neither one is bad. Chocolate and Vanilla Ice Cream are both delicious, but just cause you like one more doesn't make the other one bad.
Quote:Answer: Page 1.
2 questions though...
What round do you think Foreman goes in; and how do you see our draft shaking out before him if we wait on him for the RB selection?
Pretty sure saying you have to be wary of pro day numbers =/= pro days don't matter. I guess this is pretty low on the scale of reading comprehension failures as far as this board is concerned though.
To answer the question, he should go day 2. I've been on the RB in the round 3/4 range all along (unless we are comfortable gambling on Mixon in the 2nd) and Foreman would be one of the prime candidates we should look at if he is available at 68. He very well may not be now. A lot of it will depend on how comfortable teams are with the foot fracture that kept Foreman out of the combine.
Quote:KY basically claimed that pro days don't matter but he's hyping up Foreman for the one he had.
I didn't see that. People had so many questions about Foreman's speed. He wasn't able to work out at the Combine and despite showing breakaway speed on tape, many people said he would time much slower. The time Foreman posted today, just legitimized what we saw on tape. He's big and really fast. This was the first chance Foreman had to work out for scouts, whereas Cook worked out at the Combine. Pro days don't really matter, but they can answer some questions for people who are skeptics.
Quote:Answer: Page 1.
2 questions though...
What round do you think Foreman goes in; and how do you see our draft shaking out before him if we wait on him for the RB selection?
Mid to late round 1, to early to mid round 2.
I think Coughlin and Caldwell are stuck on Fournette. I sadly doubt Foreman becomes a Jaguar.
Quote:Pretty sure saying you have to be wary of pro day numbers =/= pro days don't matter. I guess this is pretty low on the scale of reading comprehension failures as far as this board is concerned though.
To answer the question, he should go day 2. I've been on the RB in the round 3/4 range all along (unless we are comfortable gambling on Mixon in the 2nd) and Foreman would be one of the prime candidates we should look at if he is available at 68. He very well may not be now. A lot of it will depend on how comfortable teams are with the foot fracture that kept Foreman out of the combine.
I'll let you have the pro day nonsense.
I'd take him over Mixon in rd 2.
Quote:Mid to late round 1, to early to mid round 2.
I think Coughlin and Caldwell are stuck on Fournette. I sadly doubt Foreman becomes a Jaguar.
With all of the talent at rb this year, especially with our run game approach (using multiple), i actually believe its trade back 1st or stay and pick OJ, Hooker, or Barnett.
RB at 4 isn't necessary with the talent available at 35.
Quote:I'll let you have the pro day nonsense.
I'd take him over Mixon in rd 2.
With all of the talent at rb this year, especially with our run game approach (using multiple), i actually believe its trade back 1st or stay and pick OJ, Hooker, or Barnett.
RB at 4 isn't necessary with the talent available at 35.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, I believe the team is content to sit at #4 and take Fournette, but I hope I'm wrong.
Quote:I bet Jaylon Smith wishes he didn't play in his bowl games. Bowl games mean absolutely nothing to the college player. It's all about the money for the school.
McCaffery sat out too so let's not even think about drafting him either.
Get a clue man.
Why? He ended up with the Cowboys.