Quote:If you look at the south, trump ran away with it--and that was after all his religious gaffes! I'm sure you remember 2 Corinthians. :-) and don't forget he's chill with the transgender...
What is this 2 Corinthians thing you guys have mentioned twice now?
Trump probably hasn't read the book. Not a real problem. At least he didn't say Basketball Ring.
Quote:It was just a verbal gaffe.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/20/politics/d...rah-palin/
Gotcha. I don't think the dude even knows what a bible is. There are many Christian folks who I know personally who are falling for his crap and I can't even understand why. He has no concern for Christian values and that's as far as I'm going with that so we don't break the COC. But it's sad that so many are caught up in his schtick when they
know he doesn't give a rat's butt about the things they care most about. I get that people are sick of 'politics as usual' but you can't go so far left field (no pun intended) to avoid it that you support someone who is, well...... Donald Trump.
Quote:Gotcha. I don't think the dude even knows what a bible is. There are many Christian folks who I know personally who are falling for his crap and I can't even understand why. He has no concern for Christian values and that's as far as I'm going with that so we don't break the COC. But it's sad that so many are caught up in his schtick when they know he doesn't give a rat's butt about the things they care most about. I get that people are sick of 'politics as usual' but you can't go so far left field (no pun intended) to avoid it that you support someone who is, well...... Donald Trump.
Well, perhaps the people you think have "things they most care about" really don't care much about those values after all. Perhaps they are just going along to get along.
Now they see the latest savior and decided to cast their lot with him. If he loses they can always go back to claiming they have deep and serious "values".
"Don't follow leaders and watch the parking meters".
Quote:Well, perhaps the people you think have "things they most care about" really don't care much about those values after all. Perhaps they are just going along to get along.
Now they see the latest savior and decided to cast their lot with him. If he loses they can always go back to claiming they have deep and serious "values".
"Don't follow leaders and watch the parking meters".
With these particular folks, they are old and salty people, just after WW2 generation, so they have a certain mindset and the way the government and political system has been handled in recent decades chaps their hides so they want someone to shake things up. I understand this because I'm sick of the system as it is, but I'm not voting for someone just because they go against the grain if everything else they are for is not even close to what I believe in.
Heck, my father-in-law is a conservative through and through but refuses to vote republican because, and I quote, "the rich man never did anything for me." My husband and I both pointed out the lunacy of that statement, especially considering that other than the Air Force during Vietnam the only other job he worked until retirement was for a phone company. Poor people don't own phone companies. He consistently votes democrat.
Sounds like your father in law is a wise man whose figured stuff out.
Why vote against your own self interests, economically speaking, when the class right above you has been eating your lunch for decades?
Quote:Sounds like your father in law is a wise man whose figured stuff out.
Why vote against your own self interests, economically speaking, when the class right above you has been eating your lunch for decades?
But he's super conservative with
everything. To me it just doesn't make sense. The democrats haven't shown they're any good at fiscal responsibility. They spend as much as the republicans just in different ways.
Quote:But he's super conservative with everything. To me it just doesn't make sense. The democrats haven't shown they're any good at fiscal responsibility. They spend as much as the republicans just in different ways.
I've got an aunt like that, they're super religious and conservative like their girls where homeschooled didn't have a TV in the house because it's the devil's tool only wearing ankle long dresses and caffine is sinful extreme. Lifelong Democrats blows my mind.
Quote:I've got an aunt like that, they're super religious and conservative like their girls where homeschooled didn't have a TV in the house because it's the devil's tool only wearing ankle long dresses and caffine is sinful extreme. Lifelong Democrats blows my mind.
Fresh hell, that IS extreme. Thankfully my FIL is not that extreme or my husband would never have caught my interest at 15. Both of our parents were strict but not that bad.
I'd probably vote Gary again like I did last time, hell I saw a poll he was doing 11% against Hilldog and The Don
All these cry babies that say never trump whom voted for GOP candidates in the past, most of them will be supporting Donald Trump in another month.
They simply are upset and in shock that their guy _____, didn't get the nomination. Once it fully sinks in that is Donald or Hilary I feel (hope) that most will realize it is a clear choice for Trump!
Quote:But he's super conservative with everything. To me it just doesn't make sense. The democrats haven't shown they're any good at fiscal responsibility. They spend as much as the republicans just in different ways.
I can't stand bill Clinton... but he left office with a budget surplus....
Obama brought the country back from a near depression and put the iraq war on the books, instead of a black hole like W Bush had it.
I think you may want to reevaluate your preconceptions of the last 2 democrats that were president.
It's important to at least acknowledge the facts, even if you disagree with a party's political policies or ideologies..
Here's an interesting read that I wish I could take credit for. I know libertarians would rather have 0 spending on anything, but I'm not sure that type of political position is even something people want. I mean, look at Trump. He's no libertarian... You're gonna have to decide what you want to spend money on, and where you want to cut spending. Also, based on the fact that the recession still hasn't rebounded to where revenues used to be, tax increases or loophole closures also have to happen. These are all serious matters that need to be thought through. The idea that we're gonna get rid of the IRS or that the government is the problem (I'm lookin' at you Lyn' Ted and Glen Beck) is nice, but it's not realistic.
"The Obama administration’s deficit-reducing proposals include $955 billion from curbing “inefficient tax breaks for the wealthy” and closing loopholes for high- income households. It also includes $375 billion in savings on federal health-care spending, in the process extending the financial viability of Medicare by 15 years. And it assumes $170 billion over 10 years from an overhaul of immigration law, primarily from a wave of new taxpayers that would result from a bill resembling one the Senate passed in 2013.
Tax loopholes targeted for closure include one that allows wealthy individuals, in households making more than $250,000 a year, to avoid a 3.8 percent tax imposed under the Affordable Care Act by passing some investment income through partnerships or businesses.
Jason Furman, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, said some wealthy individuals would pay more taxes, but he said that would be because of closing loopholes rather than raising rates.
However, Obama’s budget includes a raft of controversial tax proposals that have drawn Republican fire in the past. They include taxing capital gains and carried interest at the same rates as regular income; imposing the “Buffett tax,” which would set a minimum tax rate of 30 percent on people who earn more than $1 million; restoring estate tax rates and thresholds to 2009 levels; and imposing a fee on financial institutions."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/...story.html
Quote:probably continue my streak of not voting haha. Or write in Rand Paul. Idk maybe vote Trump for the hilarity of it all
I might write myself in. I'll get 1 vote. But I don't think I can vote for Trump or Hillary. What a disaster of an election we have on our hands.
Quote:I might write myself in. I'll get 1 vote. But I don't think I can vote for Trump or Hillary. What a disaster of an election we have on our hands.
I dont know why anybody would waste their time standing in line to do this
Quote:I dont know why anybody would waste their time standing in line to do this
As a means of protest, I suppose. Though if you're going to protest you might as well vote for a third party to protest the two party system.
Quote:As a means of protest, I suppose. Though if you're going to protest you might as well vote for a third party to protest the two party system.
Yes I can understand voting for a legitimate party. Voting for yourself or your cat or something is literally a waste of time considering how long it takes to stand in line.
I guess if you get there early or something... but then, you're waking up early, taking time off work, ect.... to vote for yourself. So stupid. Just stay home or go about your day.
I always vote for Cynthia McKinnon even if she isn't running.
Quote:Yes I can understand voting for a legitimate party. Voting for yourself or your cat or something is literally a waste of time considering how long it takes to stand in line.
I guess if you get there early or something... but then, you're waking up early, taking time off work, ect.... to vote for yourself. So stupid. Just stay home or go about your day.
I think it can potentially be beneficial if you write in someone who potentially could be a candidate for the position in the future. If enough people write in the candidate, it will get some attention.