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Quote:I remember hearing it too. It was on 1010xl like a week or two ago I believe. I was pretty surprised when I heard it. There's just no way.


Telvin has some things that need to improve, he needs to be more of a playmaker (although he showed flashes last year), but he is no doubt one of our better defenders on defense and is still very young and on the way up. One of my favorite players to watch.

Totally agree. The last 2 games when he wasn't on the field was a distaster for the defense. They may not like him that much? Get outta here..

Why does Bill Polian think a linebacker known for his versatility can't be Paul Posluszny's successor? And where did he get the idea Myles Jack is too small? He is full of crap. Not one report about Jack mentioned concerns about his size. All of the reports I read state he is a lock for the top 10, probably top 5, partly because he can play all three linebacker positions. The only reported concern teams have is his right knee.

Put him in the weight room for an off season if it's an issue and problem solved. He already carries weight fine, just let him bulk up some. It's rare a player is going to be a chiseled piece of stone as a rookie. Just take a look at Ray Lewis his first year.


I really think this is just old Bill nitpicking to the umpteenth though. It's not like he was the master at drafting linebackers with the Colts. His best pick was Mike Peterson and it could be argued he was miscasted playing OLB there.

MJ @ 225 is too small for a MLB.  

 

If he's a tweener between a LB and Safety, why would anyone consider him anything but at OLB or Strong Safety at the NFL level ?

 

This is what a MLB looks like

 

Quote:Do you have a link to Ryan O. saying that?

No, heard it on 1010xl

Quote:MJ @ 225 is too small for a MLB.


If he's a tweener between a LB and Safety, why would anyone consider him anything but at OLB or Strong Safety at the NFL level ?


This is what a MLB looks like

Where did you get 225 from?


He was a solid 245 at the combine

As bad as we have been at covering TEs for the last 20 years or so, I wouldnt mind two fast cover LBs for nickel packages.

 

Oh, and lol if Ryan Halloran doesnt think the Jags brass is high on Telvin Smith. 

Quote:MJ @ 225 is too small for a MLB.  

 

If he's a tweener between a LB and Safety, why would anyone consider him anything but at OLB or Strong Safety at the NFL level ?

 

This is what a MLB looks like

 

 

Thats what a MLB looks like after being in the NFL for a decade or so. Ray Lewis didnt look like that straight outta college. 

Quote:MJ @ 225 is too small for a MLB.


If he's a tweener between a LB and Safety, why would anyone consider him anything but at OLB or Strong Safety at the NFL level ?


This is what a MLB looks like

Lol. Look at how Lewis looked in college. His physique wasn't even close to that.

Quote:I am sitting here watching the ESPN Mock draft with the media reporters making the picks (DiRocco) with McShay and Bill Polian commenting on the players.

 

DiRocco picked Jack, and Polian began to analyze.  He said that Jack would do well in our system, but not as a MLB.  He said Jack wasn't strong enough to be a MLB.  He said he would fit best as a Will.

 

As you probably know, Caldwell rose through the ranks as a Polian protégé before becoming Jaguars GM.  Assuming they see eye to eye on Jack, it becomes more doubtful to me that the Jaguars will take him at 5.

 

Most of the speculation-at least from my perspective, centered around whether Jack was BIG enough to play the position.  He looked so natural and athletic in coverage and running the ball, it was assumed by many he'd be too small to play the position.  But once people did the research, I and others realized he was actually bigger than Kuechly.  But apparently in Polian's eyes, strength did not accompany his size, apparently making him ill suited to MLB and more suited to Will.

 

The problem there is the Jaguars already have a good young player at will in Telvin Smith.  He has been good enough to win defensive player of the week a couple of times.  Despite some who say he isn't good in coverage, he has made big plays in the passing game, including an INT for a TD vs. Buffalo.  Of course, you could make the argument that Jack would be an upgrade over Smith, and you could never have enough fast, athletic LBs, and Smith would be amazing depth.  But that doesn't seem to be the best use of the talent on the roster.  To me, if he isn't strong enough to play MLB, he's marginally strong enough to play Otto.  While Skuta can certainly be upgraded, I wonder if Jack is the guy to fit that position.  I would envision a bigger guy with more length (Floyd if we trade down would seem to make sense).

 

A couple of additional considerations.  It's entirely possible Caldwell and Polian don't see eye to eye on Jack's ability to play MLB.  Neither guy has been 100% perfect in drafting.  It's also entirely possible Jack can improve his strength and power, and even if he isn't the best player to play MLB his first year, perhaps later in his career he can make the move successfully.

 

But if Caldwell shares Polian's concerns about Jack's ability to play MLB, and sees a Jack pick as somewhat redundant to Smith, perhaps, in addition to the questions regarding his knee, that would be enough to cause Caldwell to go in another direction on Thursday night.

 

I have scratched my head on the topic of Myles Jack for months, because everyone claims that the Jaguars will draft him & that the topic is over.  It then gets reinforced with the 2nd meeting HC & GM whom flew to the west coast to have another look at him (see these comments from this week)..

 

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"We've always scheduled that we would do it privately," Caldwell said. “He looked good. We put him through linebacker drills, change of direction, drops, bag drills."

 

"I had a chance to visit with him for quite a while (at UCLA)," Bradley said at the team's draft luncheon, according to Hays Carlyon of Jacksonville.com. "We had some time here and then some time there, so that part was good. Then, we put him through position-specific drills that are really based on our scheme and I thought he did a really good job with that. He's traveled a lot, so I was really impressed with him"

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Then the question people continue to talk about his the situation with his knee, in fact GM Dave Caldwell had mentioned that neither Luke nor Dante had any red flags when he drafted them in the first round.  That would make you think that Myles Jack isn't his choice yet I remind everyone that none of the 32 NFL teams have officially reported that they had any red flags on Myles Jack (despite concerns about his knee all 32 teams were represented at his pro day).  Many of teams are hoping that Myles Jack drops down to him in the draft due to his knee concerns.  I think it was Gil Brandt whom mentioned a story about HOF HC Bill Parcells when asked why he drafted a guy that may only have 4 years in the NFL due to injury concerns & he said almost all the guys I draft only have 4 years (free agency) so that didn't concern him.  :woot:

 

Is Myles Jack a great football player, I think everyone will say yes.  Is he a great fit on the defensive scheme in Jacksonville is another question.  I mean many see him as an ILB on a 3-4 or WILL or ROLB on a 4-3 which Telvin Smith plays.  A few had suggested including Myles Jack that he can play any role, that he is a football player & could even do a SS type role like in Seattle.

 

:whistling:   If Myles Jack is drafted I think the plan is really to have him play SOLB and move Skuta to LEO as they pretty much had already said was the plan should they draft him.  He would do better than Skuta at SOLB but to see the ProBowl level its really probably at WILL.

Quote:If take on strength is a concern with Myles Jack from a Jaguars brass standpoint, they likely will consider how valuable Jack would be in Nickel situations ( which are often over 50 % of the time in today's NFL ) compared to him having somewhat less value in base 4-3 situations. With Telvin Smith and Jack at their best, it's hard to imagine any team having a better set of playmaking LBs in the Nickel.

See, I agree with D6 here. If this were 10 years ago and RB's were running all over the league, then I'd probably want a stronger MLB. I love Poz, but his frame is best-suited in run support. He's always been a liability in coverage.


With Jack, we'll have an athletic MLB who's not afraid to hit, but is nearly as adept in coverage. This is what the modern NFL LB corps is becoming. Let's embrace the chaos.

Jack has bulked up. Question is can he sustain that weight throughout an NFL season. His tape shows up come up and really take on some bigger OL. I don't think that's the issue. For me, I don't think he attacked downhill enough. Whether it was responsibility or not, I don't know. But that's my biggest concern with him as a MLB. I feel like we'll really need to build our scheme around him for him to be successful. If we can do that, then he can be an impact playmaker.

Quote:MJ @ 225 is too small for a MLB.


If he's a tweener between a LB and Safety, why would anyone consider him anything but at OLB or Strong Safety at the NFL level ?


This is what a MLB looks like

Jack is 245. And Ray didn't always look like that:

If Myles Jack's weight is an issue, why hasn't it been mentioned in any NFL.com articles?

 

Regarding which position Jack would play, I don't see any reason to write him off as a Mike or Sam before the draft. He can be cross trained during training camp.

Quote:See, I agree with D6 here. If this were 10 years ago and RB's were running all over the league, then I'd probably want a stronger MLB. I love Poz, but his frame is best-suited in run support. He's always been a liability in coverage.


With Jack, we'll have an athletic MLB who's not afraid to hit, but is nearly as adept in coverage. This is what the modern NFL LB corps is becoming. Let's embrace the chaos.

 

  The thought process you mentioned is very much what came to mind for me.   My thoughts went back to the 1970's and 1980's when it was common for FBs and what's considered two down LBs to be much more valued in the draft process and overall.   The game has changed substantially since then.    These days,  a strong case can be made that Nickel Backs have more value than Strongside (  # 3 ) type LBs that play in base Defenses but usually are on the bench in expected passing situations. 

Quote:If Myles Jack's weight is an issue, why hasn't it been mentioned in any NFL.com articles?

 

Regarding which position Jack would play, I don't see any reason to write him off as a Mike or Sam before the draft. He can be cross trained during training camp.

He could play MLB, it is just that many see him as a weak OLB more than MILB.

If Jack is there, I'd pull the trigger on the almost as soon as we are on the clock.

IDK.. i cant seem to get excited about Jack. Bosa is a Beast of a football player coming off of the edge, with Pro pedigree

I guess it doesn't matter who the Jaguars draft in the first round the odds are something bad will happen with the guy.. over ten years only good 1st round pick has been Blake Bortles... (and even he struggled in his rookie year)...

Quote:I guess it doesn't matter who the Jaguars draft in the first round the odds are something bad will happen with the guy.. over ten years only good 1st round pick has been Blake Bortles... (and even he struggled in his rookie year)...

 

This post can only be written by someone who does not know much about the Jaguars. Dante Fowler is a good player who had some bad luck. Blake Bortles was not supposed to play last year. The last 10 years we had three different general managers.