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I'd probably seriously consider it for their 2016 1^st, 2016 2^nd, and 2017 2^nd.

Quote:The trade chart shows fair value, tipping in Jags favor, if the Bears give up 1-11 and 2-41.  I think I would value the elite defensive player at 1-5 more than the additional round 2 pick....but it's close in my mind. 

Thing is, if we stockpiled another 2nd we could have much more ammo to trade up to get a falling Spence/Lawson etc. That's why it's hard for me. I want Jack or a great talent at 5, but it seems to me we have our sights on a few other guys like Floyd/Lawson etc. who seem to be great fits and while also adding more top end talent to this defense.

 

I'd probably rather have a Jack/Buckner/Bosa on this team, but pairing a guy like Floyd/Lawson or some other defensive talent with either a couple nice 2nd rd players or another 1st rd talent would be intriguing to me.

Quote:I'd probably seriously consider it for their 2016 1^st, 2016 2^nd, and 2017 2^nd.

There's no way in hell any team would trade all that for a non-qb.

 

2 1sts and 2 2's to go up 6 spots and get a DE? No way.

Quote:There's no way in hell any team would trade all that for a non-qb.

 

2 1sts and 2 2's to go up 6 spots and get a DE? No way.

 

To clarify, this trade doesn't involve two 1^st round picks. It would look as follows:

 

They get our 2016 1^st

We get their 2016 1^st and 2^nd as well as their 2017 2^nd

Quote:To clarify, this trade doesn't involve two 1^st round picks. It would look as follows:

 

They get our 2016 1^st

We get their 2016 1^st and 2^nd as well as their 2017 2^nd

Ah, read it wrong.

 

I mean I'd like something like that too, but I doubt we get 2 2's with 11. I see it being something like 11, 2nd, and a 4th/5th which could be a nice add in to move up from a pick to secure a guy we like...as we don't have a ton of room for a plethora of rookies on our roster. 

Quote:To clarify, this trade doesn't involve two 1^st round picks. It would look as follows:


They get our 2016 1^st

We get their 2016 1^st and 2^nd as well as their 2017 2^nd

To me this is what I think we should get in return. If they want into the top 5 they gotta pay.

Quote:Thing is, if we stockpiled another 2nd we could have much more ammo to trade up to get a falling Spence/Lawson etc. That's why it's hard for me. I want Jack or a great talent at 5, but it seems to me we have our sights on a few other guys like Floyd/Lawson etc. who seem to be great fits and while also adding more top end talent to this defense.

 

I'd probably rather have a Jack/Buckner/Bosa on this team, but pairing a guy like Floyd/Lawson or some other defensive talent with either a couple nice 2nd rd players or another 1st rd talent would be intriguing to me.

I look at highlight tape of Buckner and Bosa, even Jack, and I personally don't see big time elite talent.  That view makes me OK in trading back.  

 

However, I don't have a library of their full tape and time to pretend to evaluate them as a scout.  I do lean on people such as Lageman, Mayock, Kiper and the like who do have the tape, time, and expertise, and these guys seem to think these guys are special and elite (compared to the others in the draft).  The Jags need, in my opinion, some elite playmakers to bring some fear to the opposition and true leaders on the field to make everyone around them play better.  For this reason, I am more for staying at 5 and making the pick.

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

Idk if lawson would be there still and at that point in the draft i dont want anyone else lol

We need lots of ammo.  If we can get a decent trade I"m all for it.  Ramsey is the only one I am sold on but would love extra picks.

I would like to see us trade with the jets.  Give us wilkerson and we exchange picks and maybe give them a 3rd. 

We're not getting two 2's.  We'd be lucky to get anything more than just their 2nd considering the trade would already be in our favor with just a 2 according to the draft value chart.

Caldwell will have a really difficult decision after this happens:

 

1. Goff

2. Wentz

3. Stanley

4. Elliot

 

Does he take Ramsay, Tunsil, Jack, Bosa, Buckner or trade back to a team wanting the best left tackle, best safety/cb, or best 3-4 defensive end? I like to have my cake and eat it too, so the best choice is to trade back no lower than Chicago, get an extra 2nd this year and probably another 3rd this year or next and still get Jack. He is obviously falling and if our doctors are ok with the prognosis we may end up with the best player in the draft. We can then use one of our extra picks to go back up and take Spence.. Regardless of who else they take, this would be rated as the riskiest, most gutsy draft in Jaguars history. The media would grade us with half A's and half F's and we'd be the most talked about team following these picks.

I don't know what I'm missing, but don't the bears have a bad roster?  If they're seriously willing to trade up and lose picks on a 3-4 DE with that roster in a draft that is supposed to be deep on the defensive line, this says a lot about Buckner.  

 

btw, who said they wanted to trade up for Buckner again?

Quote:I don't know what I'm missing, but don't the bears have a bad roster? If they're seriously willing to trade up and lose picks on a 3-4 DE with that roster in a draft that is supposed to be deep on the defensive line, this says a lot about Buckner.


btw, who said they wanted to trade up for Buckner again?

nah its not that bad.I think media makes it out like theyre some barren roster but theyve got some pieces. They do have to infuse some youth in but they dont have holes everywhere so much so that they cant give up anything.


Their biggest needs id say are LT/DE/CB/WR so trading up for Buckner definitely isnt the worst thing they could do.

There's some speculation (pure unsubstantiated rumor) in Cleveland that their GM has a deal in place with Caldwell to trade up from 1-8 (plus some other pick or picks) to take Buckner if he is on the board at 1-5.  This rumor leaves the Jags at 1-8, where likely Jack or Lawson may still be there.  Using the trade chart as a guide, Cleveland might give up 3-77 and 4-100, in addition to 1-8, to make the deal happen.

Quote:There's some speculation (pure unsubstantiated rumor) in Cleveland that their GM has a deal in place with Caldwell to trade up from 1-8 (plus some other pick or picks) to take Buckner if he is on the board at 1-5.  This rumor leaves the Jags at 1-8, where likely Jack or Lawson may still be there.  Using the trade chart as a guide, Cleveland might give up 3-77 and 4-100, in addition to 1-8, to make the deal happen.

Where you hearing that?

 

Prisco and Mike Kaye have said our preference is to trade down, but it seems like it never comes to fruition. 

Quote:Where you hearing that?

 

Prisco and Mike Kaye have said our preference is to trade down, but it seems like it never comes to fruition. 

http://nflspinzone.com/2016/04/26/clevel...um=twitter

Quote:Where you hearing that?


Prisco and Mike Kaye have said our preference is to trade down, but it seems like it never comes to fruition.

If we trade to 8, we could still land Bosa or Jack.


QBs, Tunsil, Ramsey, Buck, Stanley most likely go in the top 6.


I'd be ok with this.

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This is all just someones opinion.