Quote:Before we jump off the bridge how about some perspective.
Peyton Manning in his first three season threw for 12,287 yards, 85 TDs and 58 INTs.
Favre, who Bortles has sometimes been compared to, threw for 10,412 yards, 70 TDs and 51 INTs in his first three seasons as a starter.
By comparison, in his first three seasons Bortles has thrown for 11,241 yards, 69 TDs while throwing 51 INTs.
So, so far he's performing statistically almost exactly between Brett Farve and Peyton Manning. And we're complaining he's a bust. What can you say except, #onlyJagsFans?
I see your point and agree to a point but when favre started in the early 90s and even Peyton in the late 90s, the game wasn't as much a passing game. In 1994, if you passed for 25-30 TDs in a season you were at or near the top of the league. Now you need 25-30 just to be in the middle of the pack. There also seems to be fewer interceptions now too. Back then, players like Ty Law were pass interfering on almost every play, now you can't touch those WRs at all past 5 yards. It's a pass happy league an expectations have changed. I do agree with you though about not jumping off the bridge here.
Considering 8 of his 16 interceptions were off the hands (or feet) of his own teammates, I would say its definitely possible to reduce it in half.
Quote:Considering 8 of his 16 interceptions were off the hands (or feet) of his own teammates, I would say its definitely possible to reduce it in half.
I know the old rule about if you can touch you should catch it, but why the heck is the ball going off the feet of the receiver? That's just wrong.
Quote:I know the old rule about if you can touch you should catch it, but why the heck is the ball going off the feet of the receiver? That's just wrong.
The first one was a busted screen play that Bortles identified correctly and tried to throw into the ground at the RB's feet. Except instead of hitting the ground it hit Yeldon foot and bounced back up straight into the defender's hands.
Quote:Considering 8 of his 16 interceptions were off the hands (or feet) of his own teammates, I would say its definitely possible to reduce it in half.
Don't forget he also had a ton of passes dropped by defenders. It all balances out in the end.
Quote:You know that 5 yard out that seems to be intercepted for a pick six 50% of the time. Those are bad pre-snap reads and the defensive coaches know that so they tell their DB's to sit on those routes. Those are exactly the kind of reads Bortles needs to improve on (and which the OC needs to call less of).
I think it's less pre snap reads and more that he is a sight thrower with slow mechanics. When you don't throw with much anticipation plus your release is .2 seconds longer than the average QB, DBs are going to get the jump on you frequently.
Can he? Yes, Will he? That is yet to be determined.
Quote:That's like asking if he can stop drinking!
But naww he can reduce it, if he stop drinking lol...
FA real tho, Bortles have a chance to be great when it's all said and done... He just have to commit to drinking water. Lol
I would give him better odds than you out smarting a brick.
Quote:Don't forget he also had a ton of passes dropped by defenders. It all balances out in the end.
I've seen this posted many times without proof, and it's not how I remember the season going.
Every QB has defenders drop passes sometimes, most QBs don't have a significant number of interceptions from throws that hit their own receiver on the hands that I can recall.
Quote:I know the old rule about if you can touch you should catch it, but why the heck is the ball going off the feet of the receiver? That's just wrong.
Because it was a fluke interception, not because he should've caught it. That kind of fluke happened at least 3 times last year.
Quote:I've seen this posted many times without proof, and it's not how I remember the season going.
Every QB has defenders drop passes sometimes, most QBs don't have a significant number of interceptions from throws that hit their own receiver on the hands that I can recall.
Right and I've told you to watch the games again.
Every QB has dropped interceptions, just like every QB has interceptions that aren't their fault. Point is that although he had many flukey interceptions this year, he also had many dropped picks. So Hus interception total is a product if good and bad luck, like most QBs.
Quote:Right and I've told you to watch the games again.
Every QB has dropped interceptions, just like every QB has interceptions that aren't their fault. Point is that although he had many flukey interceptions this year, he also had many dropped picks. So Hus interception total is a product if good and bad luck, like most QBs.
Telling someone else that they have to prove your statement is always the wrong answer.
If you think Bortles had an unusually large number of dropped interceptions thrown right at defenders to offset the number of ridiculous interceptions off his own receiver then you need to be the one to do the proving. And saying interceptions happen by bouncing off of guys stomachs or feet all the time then you're being absurd because they don't.
Quote:Don't forget he also had a ton of passes dropped by defenders. It all balances out in the end.
Every quarterback does. However, its extremely rare for a quarterback to have 8 tipped interceptions in one season. If it all evened out in the end, all the quarterbacks in the league would start at 8 interceptions baseline.
I went over all of Blake's interceptions individually in another thread a few months back. All, but three or four interceptions this last season were either tipped balls or 3rd/4th and long at the end of the game. There were very few egregious, "bone-headed," decisions. The majority seemed to be the result of ball placement on passes into tight coverage.
Just how good are our receivers? I think we overestimate them on this board. In 2015, the 50/50 balls were 75/25. In 2016, they were 25/75. However, we aren't seeing much separation and we shouldn't have to be as reliant on 50/50 balls as we've become. To be honest, we could use another receiver.
The whole "blaming INTs" game gets the run-down every year regarding QBs that struggle. It's a game that solves very little IMO.
Every QB has "missed picks" and every QB has unfortunate tips go the other way. Sometimes one or two guys are especially lucky in the former or unlucky in the latter.
With our boy Blake, there's simply no need to dig so deep. Simply watching his performance on the field tells you all you need to know.
He has big time accuracy issues due to poor footwork and technique.
- Fix the mechanics as much as you can.
- Then let Hackett scheme away some dangerous throws to mitigate weaknesses.
- Then watch the INT rate take a significant drop.
It either works enough to win or it doesn't.
Quote:Telling someone else that they have to prove your statement is always the wrong answer.
If you think Bortles had an unusually large number of dropped interceptions thrown right at defenders to offset the number of ridiculous interceptions off his own receiver then you need to be the one to do the proving. And saying interceptions happen by bouncing off of guys stomachs or feet all the time then you're being absurd because they don't.
We have had this exact discussion before. In the Raiders game he had 3 dropped picks, in the Texans and Broncos game he had 6 combined. That's just 3 games. Watch them again.
Nobody is saying that those happen all the time, simply that every QB has unlucky interceptions and lucky throws they get away with.
So when people say oh well Bortles had 7 unlucky interceptions last year, it really wasn't that bad....he also had a ton of picks that were dropped by defenders...it all balances out in the end. He's a turnover prone QB until he isn't
Quote:The whole "blaming INTs" game gets the run-down every year regarding QBs that struggle. It's a game that solves very little IMO.
Every QB has "missed picks" and every QB has unfortunate tips go the other way. Sometimes one or two guys are especially lucky in the former or unlucky in the latter.
With our boy Blake, there's simply no need to dig so deep. Simply watching his performance on the field tells you all you need to know.
He has big time accuracy issues due to poor footwork and technique.
- Fix the mechanics as much as you can.
- Then let Hackett scheme away some dangerous throws to mitigate weaknesses.
- Then watch the INT rate take a significant drop.
It either works enough to win or it doesn't.
Blake's INT rate has dropped every year that he has been in the league. Last year it was between Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger's. If you just knocked Blake's tipped INTs down last year to 3, which is still more than the average quarterback suffers through, then his INT rate is actually very good. His theoretical season would have been similar to Russell Wilson's and Matt Stafford's.
Quote:Blake's INT rate has dropped every year that he has been in the league. Last year it was between Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger's. If you just knocked Blake's tipped INTs down last year to 3, which is still more than the average quarterback suffers through, then his INT rate is actually very good. His theoretical season would have been similar to Russell Wilson's and Matt Stafford's.
Yeah, I get it. I just don't care about that stuff. I don't like to dwell in so many "what ifs" statistically speaking. The numbers are what they are. Every individual player has variables to consider.
I look at the final two games of the 2016 season and see what Hackett did to reign in Bortles mistakes and the small step toward tightening up his motion Blake and Dedeaux made and I see all I need to see.
week 16 -- 68.4% completion rate - 0 INT
week 17 -- 64.1% completion rate - 0 INT
I think it's possible for Blake to fix his mechanics "enough" and that Hackett knows how to limit his mistakes "enough" to turn most of those close losses into wins.
They don't have to turn him into a total game manager - but they will limit the deep ball and alter the short and intermediate stuff to suit his ability.
The wildcard is whether or not he can keep his mechanics half-pulled together when the bullets start flying.
Quote:I would give him better odds than you out smarting a brick.
That wasn't a good one... Try again..