Quote:This just ain't true. Several? Square in the chest? Nah.
I'm being serious when I say, go watch how the ball comes out of Blake's hand. (Not how he throws)
Listen to the announcers talk about the spin on the ball. It's like he's throwing a wet, 10 pound medicine ball.
Quote:Yep we've debunked the Arob drop myth repeatedly this offseason. Some guys just don't care.
Quote:It's like they can't accept what our QB is. A guy who struggles throwing the ball, and has to use Tom House as his security blanket.
http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2...n-end-zone
-He throws it low and safe and it bounces off ARobs gut and is picked.
http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2...ormer-team
-He throws it low and safe again and it bounces off Arobs hands and is picked.
http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2...-Harris-Jr
-He throws the back shoulder and again its off Arobs hands.
There is three right there. I accept apologies.
Interesting world we live in where too low, behind, and spinning sideways like a UFO can also mean "low and safe". Or where "back shoulder" can really mean so far inside that Arob has to jump through one of the elite corners in the league to get his hands on it.
Quote:Interesting world we live in where too low, behind, and spinning sideways like a UFO can also mean "low and safe". Or where "back shoulder" can really mean so far inside that Arob has to jump through one of the elite corners in the league to get his hands on it.
Interesting world we live in where video evidence can be slapping you in the face and you still spin your way out of it. I promise you I would have caught those first two passes 9 out of 10 times at the very least. ARob is a Pro Bowl receiver.
But, carry on. Blakes fault that ARob drops a ball that hits him in the numbers and so on and so forth. If the ball was a better spiral and all that.
Quote:"evidence"
It's a new world where a video that conclusively shows a ball being thrown and hitting someone in the stomach isn't considered evidence of such.
There is just no where to go in this conversation if you truly think those were good throws.
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Quote:@Eric1...with respect: After thinking it over, I still can't answer your question but I know Grant rushed for over 100 yards against Indy. And we had the same guys at offensive line that Ivory and Yeldon had blocking for them.
Well the Colts have a bad run defense and I don't think many people hold much weight on that game for Grant. I think we all want to see more of a sample size from him, than just one game against a weak run defense.
Also, If I remember correct, he did most of his damage on outside rushes, which made use of his great speed. Fournette is fast for a big man, but he doesn't have Grant's speed. I know they ran a lot of tosses for Fournette at LSU, because he needs some space to get rolling, but guys in the NFL are going to close on those tosses far faster than guys did in college.
The running game definitely got better in those last two games though. I believe the blocking will be better this season as well (at least that's the hope).
I've said multiple times that I'm all for them adding a RB in the draft, I just don't believe it should be with the #4 pick. I'm among the group that believes we'd be much better off looking at the 3rd or 4th round for a RB. The depth at RB is great in this class and the draft is Defensive strong early.
I just believe they'd be leaving a much better player on the board (Thomas or Allen) if they went RB at #4.
Yeldon, Ivory, 3rd or 4th round draft pick, and Grant. I wouldn't see any problems going into the season with that RB group.
Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-cant-miss-plays%2F0ap3000000721313%2FCan-t-Miss-Play-Tracy-Porter-snags-INT-in-end-zone'>http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-cant-miss-plays%2F0ap3000000721313%2FCan-t-Miss-Play-Tracy-Porter-snags-INT-in-end-zone</a>
-He throws it low and safe and it bounces off ARobs gut and is picked.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-game-highlights%2F0ap3000000726249%2FReggie-Nelson-picks-off-former-team'>http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-game-highlights%2F0ap3000000726249%2FReggie-Nelson-picks-off-former-team</a>
-He throws it low and safe again and it bounces off Arobs hands and is picked.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-game-highlights%2F0ap3000000750545%2FBlake-Bortles-pass-deflected-intercepted-by-Chris-Harris-Jr'>http://www.nfl.com/m/share?p=%2Fvideos%2Fnfl-game-highlights%2F0ap3000000750545%2FBlake-Bortles-pass-deflected-intercepted-by-Chris-Harris-Jr</a>
-He throws the back shoulder and again its off Arobs hands.
There is three right there. I accept apologies.
Thanks for taking the time to pull those up. Really gotta to show for some people and for some things there is no way to get them to accept reality.
Quote:Thanks for taking the time to pull those up. Really gotta to show for some people and for some things there is no way to get them to accept reality.
What's the reality that people seem to be struggling to accept?
Quote:The whole "blaming INTs" game gets the run-down every year regarding QBs that struggle. It's a game that solves very little IMO.
Every QB has "missed picks" and every QB has unfortunate tips go the other way. Sometimes one or two guys are especially lucky in the former or unlucky in the latter.
With our boy Blake, there's simply no need to dig so deep. Simply watching his performance on the field tells you all you need to know.
He has big time accuracy issues due to poor footwork and technique.
- Fix the mechanics as much as you can.
- Then let Hackett scheme away some dangerous throws to mitigate weaknesses.
- Then watch the INT rate take a significant drop.
It either works enough to win or it doesn't.
It can be put even more simply than that. Does Bortles need to play better? Absolutely. Is he capable of playing better? We'll find out this year.
Quote:Thanks for taking the time to pull those up. Really gotta to show for some people and for some things there is no way to get them to accept reality.
They're the same 3 throws we've been breaking down all offseason. The Bortles defenders see 3 good throws that Arob dropped, the realists see 3 throws that have to be much better. For what it's worth, the official stats keepers agree with the realists. None of those were graded as drops.
Quote:Yeldon, Ivory, 3rd or 4th round draft pick, and Grant. I wouldn't see any problems going into the season with that RB group.
Unless we are willing to take the gamble on Mixon in the 2nd this is what I am hoping for too.
Quote:They're the same 3 throws we've been breaking down all offseason. The Bortles defenders see 3 good throws that Arob dropped, the realists see 3 throws that have to be much better. For what it's worth, the official stats keepers agree with the realists. None of those were graded as drops.
The throws that wouldn't have been picks if the receiver hadn't deflected them to defenders. And I wouldn't call anyone downplaying the significance of so many deflection interceptions a realist.
Quote:The dropped interceptions aren't good luck until you can prove it happened to him more than any other quarterback. Every quarterback has dropped interceptions. Not every quarterback has a third of the league's tipped picks.
This is like saying FreeAgent01 hit the Powerball 3 times in a row, but you can't say he's lucky because he didn't win the Powerball before that.
You don't think a DB dropping an easy pick is lucky? Strange. As said before if we are going to take away some of his "unlucky" plays for fairness, we should also consider his "lucky" plays.
So when you say "Take away his unlucky plays and he actually had a good INT%". Its pretty pointless and doesn't actually show anything in real terms.
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There is just no where to go in this conversation if you truly think those were good throws.
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And if you can't understand that a ball hitting a receiver in the stomach is "good enough" then I guess we're at a loss. If ARob never made an attempt to catch the ball, all three of those balls would have bounced off his stomach, knee, and shoulder. Those passes weren't outside of his body like one of Lee's.
There have been many bad/inaccurate/mechanically-flawed in the history of the NFL. They weren't throwing 8 deflected INTs.
Quote:You don't think a DB dropping an easy pick is lucky? Strange. As said before if we are going to take away some of his "unlucky" plays for fairness, we should also consider his "lucky" plays.
So when you say "Take away his unlucky plays and he actually had a good INT%". Its pretty pointless and doesn't actually show anything in real terms.
You aren't understanding.
Sure, each individual time it happens its lucky. As a whole for the season, I wouldn't consider him lucky if it didn't happen more than the league average... And in this case, it would have to be significantly higher than league average to make up for 8 deflected INTs.
Quote:You aren't understanding.
Sure, each individual time it happens its lucky. As a whole for the season, I wouldn't consider him lucky if it didn't happen more than the league average... And in this case, it would have to be significantly higher than league average to make up for 8 deflected INTs.
No I understand full well. Its a lazy way out to simply say Bortles would have had a good interception rate if he wasn't unlucky. Its not like Blake is some kind of turnover adverse savant here, he turns the ball over a ton because he's very careless with it. He was unlucky to throw so many tipped picks but also had a ton of dropped picks that balance it out.
For instance the guy who actually tracks interceptable passes says that Bortles had 5 passes that should have been picks against the Raiders this year. That's just in 1 game. In 2015, only 1 QB threw more near picks than Blake.
Quote:No I understand full well. Its a lazy way out to simply say Bortles would have had a good interception rate if he wasn't unlucky. Its not like Blake is some kind of turnover adverse savant here, he turns the ball over a ton because he's very careless with it. He was unlucky to throw so many tipped picks but also had a ton of dropped picks that balance it out.
For instance the guy who actually tracks interceptable passes says that Bortles had 5 passes that should have been picks against the Raiders this year. That's just in 1 game. In 2015, only 1 QB threw more near picks than Blake.
I believe you, I've been looking for where to get that stat about interceptable passes. if you know where to look, I would be grateful and interested to see how the league stacks up.
Quote:Well the Colts have a bad run defense and I don't think many people hold much weight on that game for Grant. I think we all want to see more of a sample size from him, than just one game against a weak run defense.
Also, If I remember correct, he did most of his damage on outside rushes, which made use of his great speed. Fournette is fast for a big man, but he doesn't have Grant's speed. I know they ran a lot of tosses for Fournette at LSU, because he needs some space to get rolling, but guys in the NFL are going to close on those tosses far faster than guys did in college.
The running game definitely got better in those last two games though. I believe the blocking will be better this season as well (at least that's the hope).
I've said multiple times that I'm all for them adding a RB in the draft, I just don't believe it should be with the #4 pick. I'm among the group that believes we'd be much better off looking at the 3rd or 4th round for a RB. The depth at RB is great in this class and the draft is Defensive strong early.
I just believe they'd be leaving a much better player on the board (Thomas or Allen) if they went RB at #4.
Yeldon, Ivory, 3rd or 4th round draft pick, and Grant. I wouldn't see any problems going into the season with that RB group.
It's simply not fair of you to say Indy had a bad run defense. Those guys are NFL professional football players. They have a job to do no matter what week it's in or who it's against.
Ivory or Yeldon didn't rush for 100 yards in their game against Indy. (That same bad defense).
Simply put. I give you my example of a RB can make this team better. Grant ran for over 100 yards with the same offensive linemen against the same team that Yeldon or Ivory couldn't.
Quote:It's simply not fair of you to say Indy had a bad run defense. Those guys are NFL professional football players. They have a job to do no matter what week it's in or who it's against.
Ivory or Yeldon didn't rush for 100 yards in their game against Indy. (That same bad defense).
Simply put. I give you my example of a RB can make this team better. Grant ran for over 100 yards with the same offensive linemen against the same team that Yeldon or Ivory couldn't.
Everybody in the NFL is a professional, it still doesn't change the fact that the colts defense was one of the worst in the league at stopping the run. They allowed like the 6th most rushing yards per game.
If you think Grant can make a difference because he ran for 100 yards against the colts, there's another reason why we don't need to spend a high draft pick on a RB. He was an UDFA and ran for 100 yards. Another example that you can find RBs all throughout the draft.