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because we can move skuta to defensive end.. it would open up the defense a little.. also I think the jags draft artie burns cb in the 3rd round.. adding burns would deff help with the loss of colvin..

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Quote:because we can move skuta to defensive end.. it would open up the defense a little.. also I think the jags draft artie burns cb in the 3rd round.. adding burns would deff help with the loss of colvin...

 

Part of the role for the OTTO is to rush the passer. Skuta couldn't rush the passer from his OTTO spot, so I'm not sure why some think he'd suddenly be able to rush the passer from DE. Jack rarely ever, if ever, rushed the passer in college meaning he has no moves or experience for the role. I don't see him as an OTTO fit. With Poz at MLB and Telvin at WLB, I just don't see a starting role for Jack on this defense this season.


 

They didn't use Skuta as a pass rusher a lot. I remember him getting a sack off a bull rush one time when they did.

Quote:because we can move skuta to defensive end.. it would open up the defense a little.. also I think the jags draft artie burns cb in the 3rd round.. adding burns would deff help with the loss of colvin..

 

I mean I'm down for it, just a few questions does anyone think that Skuta would be better at LEO (as suggested by Jaguars coaches) than he did at SOLB? 

Is Myles Jack ready to play week  1 after his injury & do you feel he's worthy enough of an OLB whom had already a serious injury to be taken pick 5 overall?  - i mean i know all the mock drafts show it but if Buckner, Bosa, or Ramsey is there wouldnt you rather have one of them instead?

Jack would fit well. So would Bosa. So would Hagreaves. And Ramsey.

Quote:Part of the role for the OTTO is to rush the passer. Skuta couldn't rush the passer from his OTTO spot, so I'm not sure why some think he'd suddenly be able to rush the passer from DE. Jack rarely ever, if ever, rushed the passer in college meaning he has no moves or experience for the role. I don't see him as an OTTO fit. With Poz at MLB and Telvin at WLB, I just don't see a starting role for Jack on this defense this season.

 

I mean many Myles Jack as an OLB others say Safety hybrid, I agree even his skill set doesnt really fit a need for the current scheme.  II think all the mock drafts are way off in jacksonville drafting him...IMO

Quote:Part of the role for the OTTO is to rush the passer. Skuta couldn't rush the passer from his OTTO spot, so I'm not sure why some think he'd suddenly be able to rush the passer from DE. Jack rarely ever, if ever, rushed the passer in college meaning he has no moves or experience for the role. I don't see him as an OTTO fit. With Poz at MLB and Telvin at WLB, I just don't see a starting role for Jack on this defense this season.

 

I could not disagree more strongly.  

 

First of all, you are saying a guy who was Pac-12 Freshman of the Year at both linebacker and running back is unable to rush the passer?   That makes no sense.   I suspect the reason he didn't rush the passer at UCLA was because he was so good in coverage. 

 

Secondly, Poz at MLB needs to be off the field in passing situations.  

 

Thirdly, Skuta was nursing a groin injury for a lot of the year and was not called upon to rush the passer. 

 

Fourth, as mention in (2) while Poz isn't good at pass coverage, neither is Telvin.   Jack excels in pass coverage to the point that a lot of people think he could line up at strong safety.   At UCLA, they sometimes used him to cover a slot WR.  

 

To sum up, Myles Jack brings a skill set that is completely missing on this team.   So to say, "he doesn't fit our defense" is absurd.   If our coaching staff cannot find a spot on our defense for Myles Jack, they're not qualified to coach high school football.  

Quote:Part of the role for the OTTO is to rush the passer. Skuta couldn't rush the passer from his OTTO spot, so I'm not sure why some think he'd suddenly be able to rush the passer from DE. Jack rarely ever, if ever, rushed the passer in college meaning he has no moves or experience for the role. I don't see him as an OTTO fit. With Poz at MLB and Telvin at WLB, I just don't see a starting role for Jack on this defense this season.

No starting role for Myles Jack on THIS defense?? That is absurd.

Quote:No starting role for Myles Jack on THIS defense?? That is absurd.

 

Yeah, we're so loaded on defense we can't find a spot for him.  

Quote:...With Poz at MLB and Telvin at WLB, I just don't see a starting role for Jack on this defense this season.

Wow.  Difference of opinion.  In nickel defense, that many teams claim to be in over 60% of the snaps, Jack would be the best LB on the team with his cover skills.  In the base defense, he would be a much better OTTO over Skuta.  Skuta was mediocre at best, with or without a groin injury.  If you asked Jack to rush the passer or blitz, he would do it well.  If the Jags were to draft Jack, I see significant roles for him this season.       

Quote:Part of the role for the OTTO is to rush the passer. Skuta couldn't rush the passer from his OTTO spot, so I'm not sure why some think he'd suddenly be able to rush the passer from DE. Jack rarely ever, if ever, rushed the passer in college meaning he has no moves or experience for the role. I don't see him as an OTTO fit. With Poz at MLB and Telvin at WLB, I just don't see a starting role for Jack on this defense this season.

Wow.


I'm sure they could find a role for him. Jack is already better on 3rd down than Poz and is most likely better at everything than Skuta.

skuta, a starter on D. lolol

As it's already been said, the Nickel package is on the field like 60% of the time. Dave has said a few times that our Defense was very good on 1st and 2nd, but it was 3rd down where it all fell apart. With that in mind, I believe Poz will stay in the middle for his run stopping and then will come off the field on 3rd and nickel situations, which would have Jack and Telvin manning the middle. In a recent interview, Jack claims he has been working heavily on his pass rushing moves so that could add a huge wrinkle to his game.

 

When Poz is on the field, you will either see Jack at the OTTO or some safety hybrid-role. I also hope that Gus gets a little creative with Jack outside of just sticking him at LB and that being it. Jack is dangerous with the ball in his hand so I would like to see us take advantage of that as well (assuming his knee is fine). I would occasionally line him up at RB and possibly even let him handle a kick off. UCLA had toyed with the idea in practice but he never got the chance to do it in a game. He has also showed the ability to block punts so he could even be a ST demon for us. Jack really seems like a guy who could be a major force in all 3 phases of the game.

Quote:Part of the role for the OTTO is to rush the passer. Skuta couldn't rush the passer from his OTTO spot, so I'm not sure why some think he'd suddenly be able to rush the passer from DE. Jack rarely ever, if ever, rushed the passer in college meaning he has no moves or experience for the role. I don't see him as an OTTO fit. With Poz at MLB and Telvin at WLB, I just don't see a starting role for Jack on this defense this season.

I think Jack is a good enough player to where you tweak the defense to make it work for him, not the other way around. If the coaching staff can't find a role for a player like him then they should be shown the door.

Regardless, Jack will be on the field the majority of the time on defensive.

Miles Jack would start for every team in the league and this guy thinks he won't in Jacksonville. SMH!

Quote:I think Jack is a good enough player to where you tweak the defense to make it work for him, not the other way around. If the coaching staff can't find a role for a player like him then they should be shown the door.

 

 

That's really what I mean. That is, they'd have to tweak the defense for Jack because he's not a natural fit for the OTTO spot.