I have to believe this is the guy the Jags are targeting at 5, the problem is Dallas will likely take him at 4. A Dallas beat writer (as recently as last week) said the Cowboys "definitely aren't taking Bosa", which leads me to believe they're targeting him at 4, remember when Ryan O (last year) said the Jags are "definitely not taking Dante Fowler"? Dallas and Jacksonville both need edge rushers in the worst way, and Joey Bosa is clearly the best edge rusher in this class, it would make sense for Dallas to send out "we're definitely not on Joey Bosa" propaganda as they have to fear Jacksonville trading up to the 3 spot to secure Bosa. If there was ever a year to "move up" this would be the year, I love Myles Jack as a prospect, but it's much easier to find a speedy sideline to sideline linebacker than a truly dominant edge defender, draft day can't get here fast enough.
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<p style="background-color:transparent;">NFL Media analyst Charley Casserly indicated that he believes Ohio State DE Joey Bosa is better than a number of recent high defensive picks, including Jadeveon Clowney.
"Some people will say he's not an elite player; shouldn't be taken [as high as No. 4]. To me he's better than Ziggy Ansah, who (was drafted) around that point, he's better than Leonard Williams, who should've gone by that point in the draft." Casserly's big kicker came when comparing Bosa to Jadeveon Clowney, though. Said the analyst, "And guess what? He's a safer pick and will be more productive than Jadeveon Clowney has been. That answers that question [of whether the Cowboys should consider Bosa] to me." Pro Football Focus analyst Wes Huber has referred to the 6-foot-5, 269-pounder as "the true definition of the overall package." One top-5 team he could theoretically fit with, the Jaguars -- he visited them on Tuesday.
The Cowboys will definitely take Bosa. Unless they take Jack. Or Ramsey. Or a quarterback. Or Ezekiel Elliott.
Quote:The Cowboys will definitely take Bosa. Unless they take Jack. Or Ramsey. Or a quarterback. Or Ezekiel Elliott.
They're not taking a RB at 4, I think Wentz and Goff go 1 & 2 respectively, and I have a feeling the media and fans value Jalen Ramsey more than NFL evaluators.
Quote:Is that saying much?
Considering Ansah is one of the best edge defenders in the league, and Williams was dominant as rookie, yea I think that's saying "much". You clearly don't watch a lot of football outside of Jaguar games.
Is this kinda like Merrill Hoge saying Kelvin Taylor is "one of the best runners hes ever seen"
Quote:Is this kinda like Merrill Hoge saying Kelvin Taylor is "one of the best runners hes ever seen"
I would think a guy like Casserly (a former General Manager) would get a little more respect from the everyday fan, oh well, we'll have to wait and see what happens on draft day.
Quote:I would think a guy like Casserly (a former General Manager) would get a little more respect from the everyday fan, oh well, we'll have to wait and see what happens on draft day.
I like Casserly I'm just comparing what he said to what Merill Hoge said. As people start to tire of the draft and mock drafts the analysts usually come up to with statements like these.
Quote:I like Casserly I'm just comparing what he said to what Merill Hoge said. As people start to tire of the draft and mock drafts the analysts usually come up to with statements like these.
I don't know why you would compare a statement by Casserly (a former GM) to Hoge haha, Casserly's opinion (imo) holds much more value. The only analyst from ESPN I listen to is Louis Riddick, he's a former personnel man and is usually spot on.
Better prospect than Clowney is now or better than when he came out of college? If it's the former, I can see that simply because he's had so many injuries. If it's the latter, I just don't see it. Clowney was so much quicker, had more burst off the line, and could get off blocks better with his array of moves. Bosa may be a little stronger and have better hands but that's it.
I really don't get the whole thing against Clowney.
They have him playing LB, and he is nasty against the run. I have no doubt sack numbers will be abundant for him soon.
Quote:I have no doubt sack numbers will be abundant for him soon.
We have little reason to believe this will happen.
Quote:Considering Ansah is one of the best edge defenders in the league, and Williams was dominant as rookie, yea I think that's saying "much". You clearly don't watch a lot of football outside of Jaguar games.
what they did in the pros is irrelevant. He is talking about as prospects. But I like Bosa better than Williams and Ansah as well, not better than Clowney as a prospect though
Quote:I don't know why you would compare a statement by Casserly (a former GM) to Hoge haha, Casserly's opinion (imo) holds much more value. The only analyst from ESPN I listen to is Louis Riddick, he's a former personnel man and is usually spot on.
I'm comparing what they said not their credentials.I'm really just saying to take everything with a pinch if salt around this time because all the analysts come with these kind of statements around this time.
Well to be fair, Merril Hodge said Khalil Mack was the best player in the draft and that he is a much better prospect than Clowney. He was right.
He also said Johnny Manziel would never be a decent QB and he was right on that one as well.
Not saying he's great in his analysis or anything, but he's been more right than a lot of others.
I didn't hear him say that about kelvin Taylor... Kinda crazy if he did haha
Quote:Well to be fair, Merril Hodge said Khalil Mack was the best player in the draft and that he is a much better prospect than Clowney. He was right.
He also said Johnny Manziel would never be a decent QB and he was right on that one as well.
Not saying he's great in his analysis or anything, but he's been more right than a lot of others.
I didn't hear him say that about kelvin Taylor... Kinda crazy if he did haha
He played RB for 8 years too. All I'm saying is at this time of every year,analysts start saying crazy statements to keep people interested.
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I have to believe this is the guy the Jags are targeting at 5, the problem is Dallas will likely take him at 4. A Dallas beat writer (as recently as last week) said the Cowboys "definitely aren't taking Bosa", which leads me to believe they're targeting him at 4, remember when Ryan O (last year) said the Jags are "definitely not taking Dante Fowler"? Dallas and Jacksonville both need edge rushers in the worst way, and Joey Bosa is clearly the best edge rusher in this class, it would make sense for Dallas to send out "we're definitely not on Joey Bosa" propaganda as they have to fear Jacksonville trading up to the 3 spot to secure Bosa. If there was ever a year to "move up" this would be the year, I love Myles Jack as a prospect, but it's much easier to find a speedy sideline to sideline linebacker than a truly dominant edge defender, draft day can't get here fast enough.
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<p style="background-color:transparent;">NFL Media analyst Charley Casserly indicated that he believes Ohio State DE Joey Bosa is better than a number of recent high defensive picks, including Jadeveon Clowney.
"Some people will say he's not an elite player; shouldn't be taken [as high as No. 4]. To me he's better than Ziggy Ansah, who (was drafted) around that point, he's better than Leonard Williams, who should've gone by that point in the draft." Casserly's big kicker came when comparing Bosa to Jadeveon Clowney, though. Said the analyst, "And guess what? He's a safer pick and will be more productive than Jadeveon Clowney has been. That answers that question [of whether the Cowboys should consider Bosa] to me." Pro Football Focus analyst Wes Huber has referred to the 6-foot-5, 269-pounder as "the true definition of the overall package." One top-5 team he could theoretically fit with, the Jaguars -- he visited them on Tuesday.
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So, assuming Bosa is the guy Dave really wants, and we need to get to #3 to make sure we get him, what do you think it would take to move up from #5 to #3?
I've seen a "draft pick value chart" that says that jump from 5 to 3 would cost us our 2nd round pick.
Quote:So, assuming Bosa is the guy Dave really wants, and we need to get to #3 to make sure we get him, what do you think it would take to move up from #5 to #3?
I've seen a "draft pick value chart" that says that jump from 5 to 3 would cost us our 2nd round pick.
Bills moved up from 9 to 4 and only gave up a 4th when they selected Watkins. I'd think we'd give up something similar if SD was willing to move back.
Quote:Bills moved up from 9 to 4 and only gave up a 4th when they selected Watkins. I'd think we'd give up something similar if SD was willing to move back.
Haha that move from the Bills was terrible. They traded up from 9 to 4 and lost their first round pick the next year. They should have stayed put and selected Odell Beckham. Deepest WR class ever and they traded up for not even the best one.
Quote:Haha that move from the Bills was terrible. They traded up from 9 to 4 and lost their first round pick the next year. They should have stayed put and selected Odell Beckham. Deepest WR class ever and they traded up for not even the best one.
Yeah trading away your future 1st is almost never a good idea