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Quote:*.5 national championship

 

That's not how it works, but thanks for exposing yourself as a troll. Even if you want to consider it ".5", that is still better than what Manning and Moss led their teams to.

Josh, maybe the Heisman committee is just a bunch of Michigan homers :turned: . Why else would they award the Heisman to Woodson??

Negative. Woodson was the best player in college football that year.

 

Simple.

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Quote:It was also the Heisman Committee's take.

Doesn't make it just.

 

Kind of like the way the Emmert feels about Harbaugh's spring break...

Quote:Doesn't make it just.


Kind of like the way the Emmert feels about Harbaugh's spring break...

But it shows it isn't just a Michigan homer take.

Quote:But it shows it isn't just a Michigan homer take.

I'm just pointing out that you can't have it both ways. Just because one entity thinks it is so, does not make it correct.

 

Woodson also benefitted from a push at the time for a defensive player to win it. There was a lot of bellyaching prior to that they are few and far between. Manning meant more to Tennessee as an individual player then did Woodson to Michigan as a whole.

Quote:I'm just pointing out that you can't have it both ways. Just because one entity thinks it is so, does not make it correct.

 

Woodson also benefitted from a push at the time for a defensive player to win it. There was a lot of bellyaching prior to that they are few and far between. Manning meant more to Tennessee as an individual player then did Woodson to Michigan as a whole.

 

I'm just pointing out that I don't think Woodson deserved it just because I'm a Michigan fan. Obviously plenty of non-Michigan fans believe he deserved it, too.

I almost forgot how much I hated Tennessee back then.

Quote:I'm just pointing out that I don't think Woodson deserved it just because I'm a Michigan fan. Obviously plenty of non-Michigan fans believe he deserved it, too.

I know, and I was just pointing out that Michigan fan or not doesn't make it accurate still.

Quote:I'm just pointing out that you can't have it both ways. Just because one entity thinks it is so, does not make it correct.

 

Woodson also benefitted from a push at the time for a defensive player to win it. There was a lot of bellyaching prior to that they are few and far between. Manning meant more to Tennessee as an individual player then did Woodson to Michigan as a whole.

 

This and being a two way player.  More to sell him on.

Quote:I know, and I was just pointing out that Michigan fan or not doesn't make it accurate still.

 

It doesn't make it inaccurate, either. 

Quote:It doesn't make it inaccurate, either. 

Which goes without saying. 

I always felt that the biggest loser in all of this was Champ Bailey and his '98 season.

 

If you look at those '98 numbers, they actually blow away Woodson's Heisman season with the exception of INTs. Not that Bailey is better than Woodson, I just felt like he never really got his due for what he accomplished.

Quote:I always felt that the biggest loser in all of this was Champ Bailey and his '98 season.

 

If you look at those '98 numbers, they actually blow away Woodson's Heisman season with the exception of INTs. Not that Bailey is better than Woodson, I just felt like he never really got his due for what he accomplished.

 

He was a great player too. But nobody was beating Rickey Williams that year.

Quote:I always felt that the biggest loser in all of this was Champ Bailey and his '98 season.

 

If you look at those '98 numbers, they actually blow away Woodson's Heisman season with the exception of INTs. Not that Bailey is better than Woodson, I just felt like he never really got his due for what he accomplished.

The push had died for a defensive player to win it. It had just happened. I am sure in the future there will come a day when there will be an outcry for another. Woodson benefited from this, no question.

Quote:The push had died for a defensive player to win it. It had just happened. I am sure in the future there will come a day when there will be an outcry for another. Woodson benefited from this, no question.

 

Almost happened with Manti Teo a few years ago

Eddie George over Tommie Frazier was a travesty

Quote:Almost happened with Manti Teo a few years ago

Very true. That was a joke too

Heisman Winners

2015 - Derrick Henry

2014 - Marcus Mariota

2013 - Jameis Winston

2012 - Johnny Manziel

2011 - Robert Griffin III

2010 - Cam Newton

2009 - Mark Ingram, Jr.

2008 - Sam Bradford

2007 - Tim Tebow

2006 - Troy Smith

2004 - Matt Leinart

2003 - Jason White

2002 - Carson Palmer

2001 - Eric Crouch

2000 - Chris Weinke

1999 - Ron Dayne

1998 - Ricky Williams

1997 - Charles Woodson

1996 - Danny Wuerffel

1995 - Eddie George

 

 

They get it wrong way more than they get it right...

Quote:Charles Woodson: 7 INTs/1 punt return TD/283 rec yards, 2 rec TDs/15 rushing yards, 1 rush TD


Peyton Manning: 287-477/60%/3,819 yards/36 TDs/11 INTs


Ryan Leaf: 227-410/55%/3,968 yards/34 TDs/11 INTs


Randy Moss: 96 rec/1820 yards/19.0 avg/26 TDs


If we're going off pure stats alone, Manning definitely should have won it.


It's a shame Randy Moss didn't get more love.

Randy Moss stat line by far is the most impressive.