Quote:Randy Moss stat line by far is the most impressive.
Agree. However, Marshall was in the MAC at the time (MAC was VERY underrated back in the late 90's). Marshall was completely stacked as a team, and basically ran through that level of competition. Although, when they did face bigger schools that year, they still put up teriffic numbers, especially Moss/Pennington.
I still maintain that if Moss had played at a bigger school (FSU, Notre Dame), I think he would've won the Heisman. He would've still put up crazy numbers. He was that good.
Anyway,
Manning
Woodson
Moss
Any one of those guys would've been a credible Heisman winner. It's just a shame they all happened to be in the same year.
Quote:Randy Moss stat line by far is the most impressive.
It's hard for a DB to rack up stats when teams avoid running plays to that side of the field so often.
Quote:Typical excuses.
What? It's reality, not an excuse Josh.
Woodson won the Heisman despite not having gaudy numbers because his impact on the defensive side of the ball didn't always show up in the stat sheet. It isn't an excuse, it's what happened.
Quote:Heisman Winners
2015 - Derrick Henry
2014 - Marcus Mariota
2013 - Jameis Winston
2012 - Johnny Manziel
2011 - Robert Griffin III
2010 - Cam Newton
2009 - Mark Ingram, Jr.
2008 - Sam Bradford
2007 - Tim Tebow
2006 - Troy Smith
2004 - Matt Leinart
2003 - Jason White
2002 - Carson Palmer
2001 - Eric Crouch
2000 - Chris Weinke
1999 - Ron Dayne
1998 - Ricky Williams
1997 - Charles Woodson
1996 - Danny Wuerffel
1995 - Eddie George
They get it wrong way more than they get it right...
Not sure if you realize this, but..
...it's not given to who is expected to be the best NFL player.
And Hail finds another thread to hijack to pump in that Blue Kool-Aid
Those are great stats for a defensive player. And tenn was stacked.
Quote:Those are great stats for a defensive player. And tenn was stacked.
So was Michigan's roster.
Quote:I don't disagree with this.
The way it went down, though, Woodson deserved it. He was the best defensive player in years and possibly the best player in the country (unarguably top 3). He played for a team that won a national championship and was Mr. Everything for that team. He produced Heisman moment after Heisman moment after Heisman moment that year.
No, he was the ESPN pick that was thrust down everyone's throat 24/7. He was a jack of all trades yet master of none that the boys in Bristol decided to back and their pick won. A Buckeye with the exact same stats would not receive your endorsement now would he?
Quote:No, he was the ESPN pick that was thrust down everyone's throat 24/7. He was a jack of all trades yet master of none that the boys in Bristol decided to back and their pick won. A Buckeye with the exact same stats would not receive your endorsement now would he?
Sure he would. I've touted many Buckeyes and am all for drafting Joey Bosa. I hate Ohio St. but that doesn't mean I ignore talent.
You sitting here saying Woodson was a "master of none" is ridiculous. He absolutely was a master of the defensive back position. Covering, playmaking, run support..... the guy was a phenomenal defender. If you want to say that an elite QB deserves the award more than an elite CB, then that's fine. Saying that Woodson wasn't an elite CB, though, is silly. What did Woodson struggle with on defense?
Quote:Eddie George over Tommie Frazier was a travesty
Please elaborate.
In 1995 George rushed for an OSU school record 1,927 yards and 24 touchdowns, an average of 148 yards per game, while also catching 44 passes for 399 yards.
Quote:Please elaborate.
In 1995 George rushed for an OSU school record 1,927 yards and 24 touchdowns, an average of 148 yards per game, while also catching 44 passes for 399 yards.
I hated Nebraska and Tommy Frazier back then because he caused fits for all the Florida teams. I think I agree that he should have won that 1995 Heisman. He was that Nebraska team. He made that team roll and if it wasn't for him they would never have had that success.
I was looking up stats and came across this. Obviously all an opinion, but kind of surmises why I thought he should have gotten it. You can probably find just as many articles arguing for Eddie George as well.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/92703...since-1990
1. Tommie Frazier
The 1995 Heisman Trophy went to Eddie George from Ohio State, who had a great season. However, he was out-rushed by Tim Biakabatukua in the annual battle with Michigan. If getting shown up by the opposite number on your biggest rival wasn’t bad enough, the loss knocked the Buckeyes out of the national title picture. In other words, George failed when the chips were down.
Just the opposite is true of Frazier, who rose to the challenge and had his best games when the lights were brightest.
Frazier, perhaps the greatest college quarterback of all-time, was a fierce competitor. In 1995, he led his Nebraska Cornhuskers to their second consecutive national title. He won his third straight MVP of the national title game (he won his first in a losing effort) while playing with blood clots in his legs that prevented him from being drafted by the NFL.
Frazier was the field general of the ’95 juggernaut that was one of the most dominating college squads in history. He finished his career with a record of 33-3 and has been described as the perfect option quarterback.
His senior season, 1995, was his crowning achievement and one of the great tragedies is that it did not include an eternal stiff-arm.
So that’s it.
The game’s about winning and the biggest snubs were some of the biggest winners the college game has ever seen.
Sadly, many people will remember them for that one, victory that proved too elusive to capture—the Heisman.
Quote:I hated Nebraska and Tommy Frazier back then because he caused fits for all the Florida teams. I think I agree that he should have won that 1995 Heisman. He was that Nebraska team. He made that team roll and if it wasn't for him they would never have had that success.
I was looking up stats and came across this. Obviously all an opinion, but kind of surmises why I thought he should have gotten it. You can probably find just as many articles arguing for Eddie George as well.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/92703...since-1990
1. Tommie Frazier
The 1995 Heisman Trophy went to Eddie George from Ohio State, who had a great season. However, he was out-rushed by Tim Biakabatukua in the annual battle with Michigan. If getting shown up by the opposite number on your biggest rival wasn’t bad enough, the loss knocked the Buckeyes out of the national title picture. In other words, George failed when the chips were down.
Just the opposite is true of Frazier, who rose to the challenge and had his best games when the lights were brightest.
Frazier, perhaps the greatest college quarterback of all-time, was a fierce competitor. In 1995, he led his Nebraska Cornhuskers to their second consecutive national title. He won his third straight MVP of the national title game (he won his first in a losing effort) while playing with blood clots in his legs that prevented him from being drafted by the NFL.
Frazier was the field general of the ’95 juggernaut that was one of the most dominating college squads in history. He finished his career with a record of 33-3 and has been described as the perfect option quarterback.
His senior season, 1995, was his crowning achievement and one of the great tragedies is that it did not include an eternal stiff-arm.
So that’s it.
The game’s about winning and the biggest snubs were some of the biggest winners the college game has ever seen.
Sadly, many people will remember them for that one, victory that proved too elusive to capture—the Heisman.
George had 105 out of 106 OSU rushing yards in that Michigan game. I don't know how you can blame the fact he was outrushed by
Biakabatukua on his teams defensive woes.
Also, any credit given to Frazier for his efforts in the National Championship game after the 1995 season is moot. The game was not even played until weeks after the Heisman ceremony.
Quote:George had 105 out of 106 OSU rushing yards in that Michigan game. I don't know how you can blame the fact he was outrushed by Biakabatukua on his teams defensive woes.
Also, any credit given to Frazier for his efforts in the National Championship game after the 1995 season is moot. The game was not even played until weeks after the Heisman ceremony.
He averaged that season 150 yards a game. He failed his team in arguably their biggest game.
I think the point on Frazier was more that without him they wouldn't even have been in the title game without him.
Quote:He averaged that season 150 yards a game. He failed his team in arguably their biggest game.
I think the point on Frazier was more that without him they wouldn't even have been in the title game without him.
Manning put up a dud in Tennessee's 41-17 Orange Bowl thumping while Woodson did this in the Rose Bowl:
![[Image: Woodson-1997.jpg]](http://maizeandgoblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Woodson-1997.jpg)
Woodson also came up huge vs Michigan St. and had a game for the ages against Ohio St. that year.
Does coming up huge in big games matter or no?
Quote:Manning put up a dud in Tennessee's 41-17 Orange Bowl thumping while Woodson did this in the Rose Bowl:
Woodson also came up huge vs Michigan St. and had a game for the ages against Ohio St. that year.
Does coming up huge in big games matter or no?
Heisman was already handed out when this picture was taken.