Bosa to Jax is looking more and more likely, which is very good for us.
I like Daniel Jeremiah. He had us taking Fowler last year well before that became a popular mock pick.
Quote:I like Daniel Jeremiah. He had us taking Fowler last year well before that became a popular mock pick.
Yea DJ is usually pretty accurate, he had us taken Joeckel in 2013, he's a former scout that has obvious connections around the league.
I like him too, as well as Bucky Brooks. They do a good job.
I do typically like DJ, hope if we pick Joey he works out great for us.
While I like the idea of putting Bosa on our roster, I don't want to exist in a world where Myles Jack is associated with Jerry Jones.
Bosa on one side, Fowler on the other side. Dyyyyannnnsssttyyyyyyyyy
Plz no it be a wasted pick
Quote:Plz no it be a wasted pick
Yeah, ok.
There are legitimate concerns with Bosa.
Quote:There are legitimate concerns with Bosa.
He's either gonna bust by not being athletic enough or drug problems I see a good correlation to ryan leaf
Quote:There are legitimate concerns with Bosa.
There's rarely a prospect right out of college that doesn't have something to be concerned over. The only one I recall in recent memory as a sure thing is Luck.
Beyond just his athleticism, he looks lazy to me at times. He jogs a lot to plays away from him. His motor is highly questionable.
Quote:There's rarely a prospect right out of college that doesn't have something to be concerned over. The only one I recall in recent memory as a sure thing is Luck.
bosa's concerns are pretty big. I think on our team they can be muted a bit. We are probably one of the better fits for him.
What are the legitimate concerns about Bosa?
I've seen a few people see they have "concerns" about him, that he is a "bust" or that he is over hyped. So what is the concern?
And is it really just the difference between being very good and very very good?
Quote:bosa's concerns are pretty big. I think on our team they can be muted a bit. We are probably one of the better fits for him.
What do you think they are? As long as he's disruptive, I don't care if he jogs.
Quote:What are the legitimate concerns about Bosa?
I've seen a few people see they have "concerns" about him, that he is a "bust" or that he is over hyped. So what is the concern?
And is it really just the difference between being very good and very very good?
Quote:What do you think they are? As long as he's disruptive, I don't care if he jogs.
-Lack of explosive athleticism for a pass rusher, probably limits him in terms of being able to rush as a right defensive end
-Lack of fit for a 3-4, would bust if a team tried to play him at 3-4 OLB imo
-Terrible motor at times
-His instincts are really poor at times. He runs himself out of plays and gets fooled far too often and I've seen games where he's been offsides multiple times in the same snap, sometimes those aren't even called
When you're talking about taking a guy supposedly labeled as primarily a pass rusher in the top 5 and you're questioning his motor and explosive athleticism those are big red flags to me. You want your pass rusher to play with his head on fire snap in and snap out. That is something Fowler has. Bosa far too often looks like he doesn't give a rat when plays are being run away from him. In turn you have to question how much he really cares about playing football and what his effort will look like when he gets paid. Bosa is primarily a run stopper and again, when you're talking about how good a guy is at stopping the run rather than rushing the passer, you have to question if that guy is really worth a top 5 pick, let alone being in the conversation for best player in the draft. In an ideal world, if Bosa maxes out his potential, he will be another MIchael Bennett, winning with great strength and technique to be able to get to the QB and play multiple spots along the D-Line while also being great against the run as well. But Bosa's effort level is nowhere near Bennett's right now. Bennett's instincts are also a lot better. It's always a red flag in general when a football player's instincts are not strong. Instincts are what separate decent from great and Bosa's instincts are highly questionable.
When you add in the lack of scheme versatility, lack of speed/explosiveness, and questionable instincts and motor then you have to really wonder just how safe a pick Bosa is for most teams. All those together can equal a gigantic bust. Again, I think he is a good fit for the Jags given our scheme and what we can surround him with and he will be able to play to his strengths here, but I think he is a far cry from a knock-out-of-the-park type prospect. I've had my concerns with Fowler and I think he is safer and probably has more upside as a pass rusher than Bosa.
All that said, given Dave Caldwell's history with first round picks for this organization I fully expect Bosa to be the pick. He loves taking guys that I am meh about during the draft process.
Quote:-Lack of explosive athleticism for a pass rusher, probably limits him in terms of being able to rush as a right defensive end
-Lack of fit for a 3-4, would bust if a team tried to play him at 3-4 OLB imo
-Terrible motor at times
-His instincts are really poor at times. He runs himself out of plays and gets fooled far too often and I've seen games where he's been offsides multiple times in the same snap, sometimes those aren't even called
When you're talking about taking a guy supposedly labeled as primarily a pass rusher in the top 5 and you're questioning his motor and explosive athleticism those are big red flags to me. You want your pass rusher to play with his head on fire snap in and snap out. That is something Fowler has. Bosa far too often looks like he doesn't give a rat when plays are being run away from him. In turn you have to question how much he really cares about playing football and what his effort will look like when he gets paid. Bosa is primarily a run stopper and again, when you're talking about how good a guy is at stopping the run rather than rushing the passer, you have to question if that guy is really worth a top 5 pick, let alone being in the conversation for best player in the draft. In an ideal world, if Bosa maxes out his potential, he will be another MIchael Bennett, winning with great strength and technique to be able to get to the QB and play multiple spots along the D-Line while also being great against the run as well. But Bosa's effort level is nowhere near Bennett's right now. Bennett's instincts are also a lot better. It's always a red flag in general when a football player's instincts are not strong. Instincts are what separate decent from great and Bosa's instincts are highly questionable.
When you add in the lack of scheme versatility, lack of speed/explosiveness, and questionable instincts and motor then you have to really wonder just how safe a pick Bosa is for most teams. All those together can equal a gigantic bust. Again, I think he is a good fit for the Jags given our scheme and what we can surround him with and he will be able to play to his strengths here, but I think he is a far cry from a knock-out-of-the-park type prospect. I've had my concerns with Fowler and I think he is safer and probably has more upside as a pass rusher than Bosa.
What do you think about him being double and triple teamed more than any other player in college football last year? Probably beneficial he takes some plays off to be effective.