Quote:Cash is a much better player than Evans and im a Florida fan. Their play styles are similar but that's irrelevant. Cyp sucks and Cash is much better than Cyp IMO and did it against ACC comp. I think we address the FS position in FA. Im hoping we get Weddle and if we do I think Dave takes a hard look at Cash.
Cash had the advantage of being around the ball more than Evans in College. More opportunities to make splash plays, which makes him look much better.
If they actually keep Cyp up around the box, where he needs to play, I don't think Cash would be better than him. Cyp has shown that he can play when he's around the action. It's when they try and get cute and drop him 20+ yards deep. That's when he gets exposed. Much like Evans and imo, Cash would be no different.
Quote:Cash had the advantage of being around the ball more than Evans in College. More opportunities to make splash plays, which makes him look much better.
If they actually keep Cyp up around the box, where he needs to play, I don't think Cash would be better than him. Cyp has shown that he can play when he's around the action. It's when they try and get cute and drop him 20+ yards deep. That's when he gets exposed. Much like Evans and imo, Cash would be no different.
That's it, its your opinion. I think Cash is going to be a stud! Evans and Cyp, not so much
Quote:That's it, its your opinion. I think Cash is going to be a stud! Evans and Cyp, not so much
Of course man, I never claimed that I was right or wrong, merely giving my opinions on the matter.
I will admit though, his cut ups against Georgia Tech were impressive. He was a monster in that game.
edit: I almost wonder if some team will draft him and use him in a similar LB role, like the Cardinals use Deone Bucannon.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck its a duck. They've been in the league 3 years.
Both guys have had really good games that make it seem like they are figuring it out. Cyprien seems to have a good month where he hits everything and then looks lost the next month. Very frustrating.
Joeckel seems to fluctuate game to game. Some weeks you don't really notice him which is I guess a good thing and then other weeks it looks like he's trying to get Blake killed.
Both are very talented, but very frustrating players to watch.
Quote:Both guys have had really good games that make it seem like they are figuring it out. Cyprien seems to have a good month where he hits everything and then looks lost the next month. Very frustrating.
Joeckel seems to fluctuate game to game. Some weeks you don't really notice him which is I guess a good thing and then other weeks it looks like he's trying to get Blake killed.
Both are very talented, but very frustrating players to watch.
The facts of the matter ^
Quote:Of course man, I never claimed that I was right or wrong, merely giving my opinions on the matter.
I will admit though, his cut ups against Georgia Tech were impressive. He was a monster in that game.
edit: I almost wonder if some team will draft him and use him in a similar LB role, like the Cardinals use Deone Bucannon.
Between Deone Bucannon's high success with the Cardinals and Mark Barron getting his career on track with the Rams, I think that more and more teams are going to use large Safeties like the way the Cardinals and Rams do. The NFL is a copycat league.
Although neither is near the player that they should be, both players improved this year.
Quote:Although neither is near the player that they should be, both players improved this year.
The first half of the year they improved but it seemed like they took a step back the 2nd half. At least the last quarter
tough to say. I think by now, going into their 4th years respectively, I dont see a lot of room for improvement. I think both have been disappointments especially where they were drafted. If you were to ask me, I think Joeckel is what he is, an average LT, if we can shore up the run blocking, get Linder back and add a good Center, maybe some of his flaws can be hidden, no QB will ever not be sacked, I think we can be a playoff team with Joeckel. As for Cyrprien, he's a decent SS who has not really dont much. Maybe with a good FS paring, he will look a bit better, but I see a guy who cant cover, cant read assignments, whiffs on tackles but then out of the blue has some stellar game. Even though he whiffs, he does get a lot of tackles.
Are they fixable? Sure, do I expect both to be pro bowlers? No. Im more worried about getting better talent to surround the team with then individuals like Cyrprien and Joeckle.
Ride Cyp/Sample for the season to see what they got and then go sign Harrison Smith next offseason.
Quote:Ride Cyp/Sample for the season to see what they got and then go sign Harrison Smith next offseason.
You really think Harrison Smith wont get resinged next season?
Cyprien could be like a Reggie Nelson. Nelson was horrible for us but Pro Bowl level with the Bengals. Has the attributes to play but not within our system. I think we have to cut our losses with the players in the secondary. Granted our front 7 hasn't been that good in the Gus era.
Neither are fixable IMO. Both are serviceable, but definitely upgradeable.
Cyp seems to lack instinct. Taking terrible angles, always seems to be out of position. Hopefully we add a FS, allowing Sample to push Cyp for SS.
Joeckel is just unathletic. Strength can be added, but it won't fix him.
Lageman said on the radio this morning that he feels Sample will provide plenty of competition for Cyprien and he expects Sample to ultimately win the job. He said Sample showed better instincts in the few games he played in than Cyp has shown in 3 years.
Interesting being that Lageman is usually not one to speak his mind like this.
Quote:Lageman said on the radio this morning that he feels Sample will provide plenty of competition for Cyprien and he expects Sample to ultimately win the job. He said Sample showed better instincts in the few games he played in than Cyp has shown in 3 years.
Interesting being that Lageman is usually not one to speak his mind like this.
Only game I remember Sample playing in was against New England and he got absolutely torched.
Quote:Only game I remember Sample playing in was against New England and he got absolutely torched.
I dunno. This was Lageman's opinion. He totes the line pretty well, so I guess he saw something positive.
Both players are "fixable".
Joeckel needs to get stronger. That needs to be his priority this off season. I don't expect him to be Tony Boselli, but I do think he needs to come back next year with a reinvented body ready to compete. I think another way to contribute to fixing his issues is to replace Beadles with a more capable Guard. Beadles has done Joeckel no favors with his lousy play.
People are knocking Cyprien for his lack of smarts. Okay, that's fine. People said the same thing about Reggie Nelson, and somehow they found a way to turn him into a quality contributor. The same thing could be accomplished here with a little patience, and perhaps paring back the playbook a bit to allow Cyprien to do less thinking and more of what he does do well. If he's more comfortable with his role, I think he can be an effective role player. I'd prefer we don't cut and run on the guy like we did with Nelson only to see a light go on when he lands elsewhere. He's physical and athletic. Let him do what he does best.
Now, when I say "fixable" I mean they can become serviceable players. Neither of them is going to magically leap to Pro Bowl status, but they can definitely get much better.
The probability at this point is very low because we should have seen more by now if they were going to be better. The only X-factor in my opinion is if this coaching staff is truly bad, then what could a good coaching staff do with them? We may never know.
Quote:Both players are "fixable".
Joeckel needs to get stronger. That needs to be his priority this off season. I don't expect him to be Tony Boselli, but I do think he needs to come back next year with a reinvented body ready to compete. I think another way to contribute to fixing his issues is to replace Beadles with a more capable Guard. Beadles has done Joeckel no favors with his lousy play.
People are knocking Cyprien for his lack of smarts. Okay, that's fine. People said the same thing about Reggie Nelson, and somehow they found a way to turn him into a quality contributor. The same thing could be accomplished here with a little patience, and perhaps paring back the playbook a bit to allow Cyprien to do less thinking and more of what he does do well. If he's more comfortable with his role, I think he can be an effective role player. I'd prefer we don't cut and run on the guy like we did with Nelson only to see a light go on when he lands elsewhere. He's physical and athletic. Let him do what he does best.
Now, when I say "fixable" I mean they can become serviceable players. Neither of them is going to magically leap to Pro Bowl status, but they can definitely get much better.
I wouldn't say Cyp is a dummy. I just feel he lacks the natural instinct to play SS in this sysem. Nelson flashed great instinct in his rookie year, and then never improved, until he was in cincy. Cyp hasn't flashed much at all, if any, in his career so far.