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shouldn't you not be able to come up with something like this, according to you? Since "your brain doesn't work that way."

Quote:As in Turnstile?

Tunstile...it's too good to happen. He's gonna be dominant.


Oh and if we draft a WR At 5 because hes BAP then I might even grab a pitchfork.

Yes he can fall, he isnt a Cloweny type prospect that falling to 3 was a long shot

 

he will still be picked in the top 5 if he goes to us

Depends on if Browns and Dallas go QB and if Chargers take Ramsey.

Quote:I think Leonard Williams falling to the Jets last year surprised a lot of people (including him probably!).


And I wonder if Bosa might make a similar fall. The Cowboys and Titans already have quality pass rushers and greater needs (QB and OL respectively)


The Browns need a QB


So that only leaves the Chargers with a real need for a DE and they could go in another direction.


Is that wishful thinking? Or could we end up landing the player we need most?

 

I think it's pretty realistic actually, I can see the Titans trading out of the 1st spot for a team looking to trade up for a QB, it wouldn't surprise me if the 49ers traded up (ahead of Dallas) for a guy like Goff. I think the Browns will select Paxton Lynch, he's raw but has a huge upside, a more mobile version of Joe Flacco. I think the Chargers will take an offensive linemen (Tunsil) or WR (Treadwell) at 3, if the Charges select an OL at 3 I see the Cowboys selecting Treadwell at 4, similar player to Dez Bryant but doesn't have the character concerns, which would leave Bosa available at 5.

If we land Joey Bosa, I'm buying drinks for everybody on this board. Save this post.

Quote:If we land Joey Bosa, I'm buying drinks for everybody on this board. Save this post.

 

Be careful what you wish. Not everybody on here drinks Busch Lite.

Quote:If we land Joey Bosa, I'm buying drinks for everybody on this board. Save this post.

 

Just imagine a line that features Bosa, Marks, Odrick, and Olivier Vernon. With linebackers that feature T-SMith, Jaylon Smith (if he starts the fall because of the injury it might be worth trading up for him), and Fowler at the Otto position. And a secondary that features Trumaine Johnson, Davone House, Aaron Colvin, TaShaun Gipson, and James Sample!

Joey Bosa is not JJ Watt just because he's a big, white, defensive end.  Not even close.  I hate that people actually compare the two.  JJ Watt is 10x the athlete of Joey Bosa.  

 

Bosa will fall, without a doubt.  There is no way a left defensive end with average athleticism, mild character concerns, a growing amount of cynics, only 5 sacks of production on college right tackles, and who likes to jump offsides often goes in the top 5 of the draft.  This guy should be a late first rounder at best if you are a gambler.

Quote:Joey Bosa is not JJ Watt just because he's a big, white, defensive end.  Not even close.  I hate that people actually compare the two.  JJ Watt is 10x the athlete of Joey Bosa.  

 

Bosa will fall, without a doubt.  There is no way a left defensive end with average athleticism, mild character concerns, a growing amount of cynics, only 5 sacks of production on college right tackles, and who likes to jump offsides often goes in the top 5 of the draft.  This guy should be a late first rounder at best if you are a gambler.

I'm not a huge fan of the guy but I think that's a bit pessimistic too.  I'd be surprised if he didn't go top 10.  I'd rather have Jack or Ramsey over him though.

Quote:Caldwell has always been a needs drafter. It's pretty obvious.

 

Of course I understand what BAP means. I also understand there is absolutely no reason to pick a WR when we already are stocked at that position and have many holes on the defensive side.

You're right

 

Quote:Not trying to make you change you mind, just trying to make you understand that BAP has nothing to do with what you already have on your roster.

 

Also, I don't think DC is a needs based drafter. We have so many holes, I understand how it could look that way.

You're wrong

 

 

 

 

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/1/22/3...d-caldwell

 

"We're going to be a needs-based team," Caldwell told John Oehser of Jaguars.com at the 2013 Senior Bowl. "If comparable, we'll go with the greater need.

 

"As long as you have a need in the first round, you try to get the best available player to fill that need."

 

This shouldn't be a shock for most people, because this is what teams generally wind up doing, despite their lip service to the public and media. The idea of "BAP" is nice in theory, but rarely is it actually applied in the early rounds of the NFL Draft.

<p class="" style="font-family:'Mercury SSm A', 'Mercury SSm B', Georgia, serif;color:rgb(41,41,41);font-size:16px;">Caldwell indicated to Oehser that he's more inclined to lean towards drafting for need in the early rounds of the draft, then applying the "best available player" philosophy in the later rounds, which he should.

Quote:If Tunsil is the BAP when we are on the clock, you take him.


I love how you come at people like they're wrong when you are constantly wrong yourself.

She's not wrong. She's correct. Dave is a needs based drafter in the early rounds. Jean Smith was also, he's just lied about that BAP crap. 

As fun as it is to speculate on things like Bosa falling, many things will happen to change the draft projections between now and draft time. These include:

 

1. Someone in the top 10 will test positive for something.

2. Someone will have a terrible combine and drop significantly.

3. Free agency selections will significantly impact teams' priorities in the draft.

4. A player or 2 will rise into the top 5 due to combine and personal workouts.

 

Based on these factors, the Jaguars need to take the best available free agents in positions of need. If Vernon is available at the right price, they take him. Same with Gipson/Weddle (Berry won't be let go) and Mack. This team needs difference makers. After free agency, I guarantee they will have several attractive options at pick 5. Maybe Bosa will be there and they still take him despite adding Vernon. If not, they may have the option to trade back a few spots if either Lynch or Goff is still on the board at q.b. I'll bet the Jags could add a 3rd rounder to move down just one or 2 spots (S.F.) and still get the best cornerback or linebacker in the draft. Alexander is my sleeper pick if he shuts down Alabama's top receiver and shines at the combine and personal workouts.

 

Bottom line is that if Caldwell makes the correct decisions, the Jag will be significantly better next year. Looking at the schedule, they better be!

I finally read a non-J.J. Watt comparison for Bosa; Jared Allen! What a different take!

 

But anyway, I'm always of the persuasion that a Defensive Lineman, assuming a similar talent level, is more impactful than a Linebacker or Defensive Back. Problem is, how do you compare the talent between those three positions? Frankly, I don't know but it seems like this is the kind of thing that Scouting Departments hang their hat on.

 

I like Bosa, and I'd be okay with him as the selection, but Williams fell because of an unreported shoulder injury. I know of no such instance with Bosa, but then again I didn't hear anything about Williams until after the '15 Draft so take that for what it's worth.

Quote:Be careful what you wish. Not everybody on here drinks Busch Lite.

 

Ouch!

Quote:I never said we won't pick a left tackle. I said we shouldn't pick one. And I was right because Luke Joeckel is a downgrade from Eugene Monroe. So there is an example of when teams should not get the BAP.

I recall it differently MJF. I remember a thread topic started titled "Jaguars WILL NOT draft a LT". But it's okay, I didn't think they would either.


Monroe better than Joeckel? IDK about that. That's definitely a debatable topic depending who you talk to.


This year's draft may be somewhat similar to that one. The Jaguars definitely need help on defense. But, given the current state of the O-line, I wouldn't be totally shocked if they went O-line if a top flight lineman is sitting there at their pick.


I hope they go defense. But we'll see.

Quote:I finally read a non-J.J. Watt comparison for Bosa; Jared Allen! What a different take!

 

But anyway, I'm always of the persuasion that a Defensive Lineman, assuming a similar talent level, is more impactful than a Linebacker or Defensive Back. Problem is, how do you compare the talent between those three positions? Frankly, I don't know but it seems like this is the kind of thing that Scouting Departments hang their hat on.

 

I like Bosa, and I'd be okay with him as the selection, but Williams fell because of an unreported shoulder injury. I know of no such instance with Bosa, but then again I didn't hear anything about Williams until after the '15 Draft so take that for what it's worth.

I was thinking more Aaron Kampman. 

Quote:Bosa is very talented.. My main question is if his head is in the game and he wants to be great. Seems like a knucklehead in a way.

 

As a Michigan fan, I'd love to know what dirt you have on Bosa. What makes him a knucklehead?

Quote:I was thinking more Aaron Kampman.

All wrong.


Chris or Howie Long.

Bosa is the current career leader in TFL (Tackles-For-Loss) and 3rd in the nation for career sacks.  And, these career stats have been in 3 years.  He was voted Big 10 defensive lineman of the year twice.  He is an impact player if you've watched OSU; don't judge this player solely on his current year sack total. 

 

If Bosa is there, I would love the pick.