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Quote:I'm actually afraid that Gus trying to tank will have an opposite effect.

Kind of like George Costanza doing the complete opposite.

So we should have been trying to tank all year, for the opposite effect?

Would it be George Bradley or Gus Costanza?

Quote:We can pick no higher than 6th if we lose, no higher than 8th if we win. No lower than 3rd if we lose, no lower than 6th if we win.

So it really doesn't matter. We could end up with the same pick win or lose

Quote:We can pick no higher than 6th if we lose, no higher than 8th if we win. No lower than 3rd if we lose, no lower than 6th if we win.

Are you sure about that? I thought we could be picking as late as 11th with a win.

Play to win. I'm tired of tanking.

I did a little more research.

If the Jaguars lose...



Lowest possible pick: Titans, Browns, Jaguars - 3rd



Highest possible pick: Titans, Browns, 49ers, Chargers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Ravens, Jaguars - 8th



Most likely pick: Titans, Browns, 49ers, Chargers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Jaguars - 7th



If the Jaguars win

Lowest possible pick: Titans, Browns, 49ers, Chargers, Cowboys, Jaguars - 6th



Highest possible pick: Titans, Browns, 49ers, Chargers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Ravens, Bucs, Eagles/Giants, Saints, Bears/Lions, Jaguars - 12th



Most likely pick: Titans, Browns, 49ers, Chargers, Cowboys, Dolpins, Ravens, Bucs, Jaguars - 9th



I haven't factored in the Jaguars tiebreaker for lowest and highest possible as we can't know for sure. I tried to with "most likely."

Quote:Are you sure about that? I thought we could be picking as late as 11th with a win.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/1/106...ss-of-week

Basing it on that. Our SoS being so low means we can't pick up in the 10's.

Quote:http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/1/1/106...ss-of-week

Basing it on that.

Hmm...

I guess we'd lose beat out the Bucs as well for the lower spot. I was thinking they'd have it. It did look like the Bears, Lions, Saints, Eagles and Giants would all pick after the Jaguars.

So from a most realistic perspective...

If the Jaguars lose we probably get the 7th pick. If we win we probably get the 8th pick.

Quote:Hmm...

I guess we'd lose beat out the Bucs as well for the lower spot. I was thinking they'd have it. It did look like the Bears, Lions, Saints, Eagles and Giants would all pick after the Jaguars.

So from a most realistic perspective...

If the Jaguars lose we probably get the 7th pick. If we win we probably get the 8th pick.

If we lose we're picking 6th or lower, based on SoS and record.

If we lose and San Fran, Dallas and San Diego lose we pick 6th. If one of them wins we pick 5th, if 2 of them wins we pick 4th and if all 3 of them win we pick 3rd as long as we lose. Anyone else doesn't matter right if we lose.

If we win and Miami and Baltimore win we pick 6th, if one of them loses we pick 7th, if they both lose and we win we pick 8th.

Quote:If we lose we're picking 6th or lower, based on SoS and record.

Oh... I guess we beat out the Dolphins as well. I thought for sure based on the nfl.com league standings that the Dolphins would pick first.

So then...

If the Jaguars lose they'll probably get the 6th pick ... if the Jaguars win they'll probably get the 8th pick.

Any other scenario requires upsets.

Quote:Oh... I guess we beat out the Dolphins as well. I thought for sure based on the nfl.com league standings that the Dolphins would pick first.

NFL.com and CBS Sports don't count future opponents in standings so they have a weaker SoS so far but have the Pats to play.

Quote:NFL.com and CBS Sports don't count future opponents in standings so they have a weaker SoS so far but have the Pats to play.

The good news is that the Jaguars win virtually all draft tiebreakers for the lower spot. But don't count on the 3rd pick because the 49ers, Chargers and Cowboys are all fairly safe bets to lose. The 49ers are playing a Rams team that just knocked off the Seahawks in Seattle while the Chargers and Cowboys are playing teams in the Playoffs. The Broncos have to win as a loss for them probably means falling from the #2 seed to the #6 seed. The Redskins don't have to win as they are the 4th seed, but I just can't see them losing yet again to the Cowboys. A Cowboys win plus a Jaguars loss probably our best chance to get a lower pick, as in the 5th pick.

Can't see the Chargers winning but San Fran beating St Louis wouldn't surprise me. The Rams are the Jason Myers of NFL teams - they'll beat a contender easily then lose to a bad team just the next game.

Dallas are pretty bad but I wouldn't count on a Redskins win, they're hardly a great team either.

Quote:Can't see the Chargers winning but San Fran beating St Louis wouldn't surprise me. The Rams are the Jason Myers of NFL teams - they'll beat a contender easily then lose to a bad team just the next game.

Dallas are pretty bad but I wouldn't count on a Redskins win, they're hardly a great team either.

Does Washington have anything to play for? Everything I've heard is them resting their starters

So, it seems that we will pick within 6-9 win or lose, realistically.

Quote:So, it seems that we will pick within 6-9 win or lose, realistically.

Still a ton of players I like in that 6-9 range too.

If Ramsey falls out of the top 5 I like him, Buckner, Ogbah or Jack.

Wanted Jaylon Smith but.....

Quote:Still a ton of players I like in that 6-9 range too.

If Ramsey falls out of the top 5 I like him, Buckner, Ogbah or Jack.

Wanted Jaylon Smith but.....

No worries, Caldwell can now wait until the 2nd to acquire him, or trade back up into the first round. I'll wait and see what happens with free agency, but one of Bosa, Ramsey and Hargraves should be there when we pick. I think were in a good spot.

Quote:Always a controversial topic of discussion AND I KNOW IT WILL NOT HAPPEN, however, does anyone other than me believe it to be in the best long term interest of this organization to lose this weekend in attempt to secure a potential #3 draft pick (in rounds 1-7) in April 2016? From what I understand, we will be selecting within the #3 to #7 range pending the outcomes of the games this weekend. As you may recall, the Bucs pulled their starters in the 2nd half last season to secure the #1 pick as they were actually beating the Saints by 14 points in that game. The Titans came away with the #2 pick as a result of the Bucs 2nd half tank job.

Let's also not forget that a higher draft pick does not only impact Round 1 but it can almost be as equally critical in Rounds 2, 3, & 4 when players start slipping down in the draft for one reason or another.

For Gus, I realize 6 wins sound a lot better than 5 (and there is a ficticious belief that a win is building momentum for the following season) so I'm not questioning whether the organization would consider tanking .... sometimes it just comes natural -- HA !!

HAPPY NEW YEAR MY FRIENDS ..... POSTING THIS A FEW DAYS EARLY JUST IN CASE THIS MESSAGE BOARD GETS HACKED BY ISIS AGAIN THIS WEEK !!!

Yes. It is obviously in the long term best interest of this team if they lose to Houston at this point. I would not have said that earlier in the season when we were still 'in it', but at this point, the pro/cons clearly favor the benefit of a higher draft pick. As far as 'tanking' is concerned, I perceive it to be a non-issue since the probability of us beating the tinhorns at this point is virtually 'nil'.

Who are we even tanking for? Just because we have a pick a few slots higher doesn't necessarily mean it's going to benefit us a ton. Maybe a little but I'd think you'd want someone in mind

Quote:Play to win. I'm tired of tanking.

Like one more game is going to change anything...

Quote:Like one more game is going to change anything...

Speak for yourself! If they win I get 350 bucks, so I'm hoping they do me a solid and whip the tinhorns.

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