Quote:Trade scenario: Saints move up to 4 and Jags get 11 and 32. Is that fair? Would the Saints even offer that? Are they looking to move up?
According to the trade value charts(understanding it's a guide not a mandate) the Jaguars pick is worth 1800.
The Saints picks 11 (1250) and 32 (590) are worth 1840. If these two teams adhered strictly to these trade values, the Jaguars would get the better of this trade at face value. To balance it out perfectly (or closer to it) the Jaguars would have to throw in at least a 5th round pick (32.2).
Quote:Question: Suppose, as is seemingly the case every year (and certainly last year) as the draft approaches, QB desperate teams decide they want to move up to get their player. Numbers in parentheses represent trade value for pick.
Three teams-the Jets, Browns and Bills-make an offer for #4. (1800)
The Jets offer the #6 (1600) overall & #39 (510)
The Browns offer the #12 (1200), #33 (580), and a 5th round pick #175 (21.4)
Another team, the Bills, wish to trade up for another WR, and replicate the 2014 draft swap with Cleveland, offering the 10th overall in 2017 (1300), a 1st in 2018 (460-equivalent to a 2nd round pick this year) and a 4th in 2018(29, equivalent to a 5th round pick this year).
Which offer would you take and why?
Who would you hope to draft with the new picks?
Would your answer change if the 49ers or Bears took a QB at 2 and/or 3?
My wife likes to watch House Hunters on HGTV. So I have to watch that all the time. So I will do like they do, and start by eliminating one of these 3 choices.
First, I eliminate the trade with the Bills. I don't want next year's pick, I want something this year.
So that leaves the Jets and the Browns. I agree with Jags02 that at #6, we are still likely to get either Allen or Fournette. I also think a CB would be worth taking there.
So I would do the trade with the Jets.
Of course, I would want to wait until we are on the clock and know who the first 3 picks are. If they wanted to do this in advance of the draft, I would have to think about that.
I would not be willing to trade down to #10 or #12 so I would take the Jets offer given this scenario.
Quote:Of course, I would want to wait until we are on the clock and know who the first 3 picks are. If they wanted to do this in advance of the draft, I would have to think about that.
Totally agreed
Quote:Question: Suppose, as is seemingly the case every year (and certainly last year) as the draft approaches, QB desperate teams decide they want to move up to get their player. Numbers in parentheses represent trade value for pick.
Three teams-the Jets, Browns and Bills-make an offer for #4. (1800)
The Jets offer the #6 (1600) overall & #39 (510)
The Browns offer the #12 (1200), #33 (580), and a 5th round pick #175 (21.4)
Another team, the Bills, wish to trade up for another WR, and replicate the 2014 draft swap with Cleveland, offering the 10th overall in 2017 (1300), a 1st in 2018 (460-equivalent to a 2nd round pick this year) and a 4th in 2018(29, equivalent to a 5th round pick this year).
Which offer would you take and why?
Who would you hope to draft with the new picks?
Would your answer change if the 49ers or Bears took a QB at 2 and/or 3?
I'd take the Jets trade. Draft Fournette at 6.
Using the extra 2nd rounder (and our 3rd rounder) trade back into the first and draft Lamp.
Using the other 2nd rounder, take the BAP. Hopefully a tackle would fall to us in that scenario.
Any trade down that lands us Forrest Lamp works for me.
Quote:I'd take the Jets high value picks this year.
At #6 I'd be STOKED if Jonathan Allen falls there and we still get him. The contenders at the spot don't change too much. Fournette, for that matter, should still be there and more sense than taking him as early as #4.
With the extra 2nd round pick we can go all sorts of directions. We might get someone who falls out of round one with the early pick like Njoku, Mahomes, McCaffrey, Day or Robinson, and then at #39 I'm hoping we can still get my targeted starting LG Dion Dawkins.
I agree that Allen and/or Fournette still should be there for us at 6 if we took that deal.
Now under that scenario, if we took Robinson, would there be the need for Dawkins? I suppose if you considered Robinson the long term answer at RT, then doubling up with Dawkins would be good.
What if we committed to a TE (Njoku) with our own pick, and somehow Robinson and Dawkins were there for us at 39. Which would you choose?
Quote:My wife likes to watch House Hunters on HGTV. So I have to watch that all the time. So I will do like they do, and start by eliminating one of these 3 choices.
First, I eliminate the trade with the Bills. I don't want next year's pick, I want something this year.
So that leaves the Jets and the Browns. I agree with Jags02 that at #6, we are still likely to get either Allen or Fournette. I also think a CB would be worth taking there.
So I would do the trade with the Jets.
Of course, I would want to wait until we are on the clock and know who the first 3 picks are. If they wanted to do this in advance of the draft, I would have to think about that.
Let me preface by saying there are no right or wrong answers to this discussion, and there is no score being kept.
However, introducing the loathsome HGTV into an otherwise HGTV free zone earns you a loss of points on general principle!
But you have a chance to earn those points back by answering this question.
Is there a person who, if on the board at 4, would cause you to not trade back under any circumstances?
Quote:Trade back to #6?
If so, only Garrett
Quote:Myles Garrett
Same here, even though I like Thomas too.
Can the next one be "reading the trade up tea leaves"?
In a draft where experts are saying a typical top 50 player in other drafts will be found well past pick 100 and where the QBs have been so widely panned, I think it will be a much harder task to find scenarios where teams are willing to give up quality draft capital to move up.
No clue if it's possible but maybe a trade down is possible with the Cowboys if Adams, Hooker or Lattimore are there? They lost a lot in their secondary. Bet they kinda wish they had Ramsey now lol.
Quote:Trade down to 28....
I'd laugh all the way to the bank if they traded up for a safety or DB.
Quote:Trade down to 28....
Why not man? They'd trade so much to move up. In addition grab their #1 for next year and have it as ammo for Sam Darnold. Plenty of good players can be had at 28.
Quote:Why not man? They'd trade so much to move up. In addition grab their #1 for next year and have it as ammo for Sam Darnold. Plenty of good players can be had at 28.
It's just not going to happen.
Quote:Trade down to 28....
We're not good enough yet to be giving up top 5 talent.