http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...aft-doover
Read this article, and it reminds me of what a lot of people think to this point. Saying that Carr is much better than all the 2014 QBs. In the particular article, they write "none have been effective as Carr"....???... I don't know how Carr is much more effective than bortles, heck in my humble opinion blake is better and having a better year, Blake has more yards and TDs, with a terrible o-line and average running game.... in the QB ranking they even have Jameis(11) ranked above blake(13)... is it because of our very little exposure? I'm starting to get annoyed with Blake's Great second year going unappreciated and noticed.
I agree Blake is having a better year, but our OLine isn't "terrible." I'd say they are slightly above average in pass protection and slightly below average in run blocking.
Please don't throw stats at me. I'm using the eye test on this one. Blake has run into sacks trying to make a play, etc.
Quote:I agree Blake is having a better year, but our OLine isn't "terrible." I'd say they are slightly above average in pass protection and slightly below average in run blocking.
Please don't throw stats at me. I'm using the eye test on this one. Blake has run into sacks trying to make a play, etc.
Lol don't worry no stats will be thrown... okay I'll will say Parnell looks okay, played great in the first half, kind of had a 3 game skid and now back to how he played in the first half of the season, Cann looks okay and promising for the future, but the rest of our line has look bad, especially Luke, some can make the case that he's the worst LT in football
Quote:Lol don't worry no stats will be thrown... okay I'll will say Parnell looks okay, played great in the first half, kind of had a 3 game skid and now back to how he played in the first half of the season, Cann looks okay and promising for the future, but the rest of our line has look bad, especially Luke, some can make the case that he's the worst LT in football
Joeckel needs work. He has gotten better I'll admit, but I think he needs more competition behind him. LT and C are focuses for the offseason without a doubt.
Maybe Mack will sign with us.
I'm not sure how anyone can really say objectively that Bortles is having a better year than Carr. Carr's completion percentage is much higher, he has 4 less picks to 1 less TD, he's less than 100 yards behind, and when you watch him he just looks more in control in the pocket and more consistently accurate, at every level of the field. Saying Bortles is doing better is just bias honestly.
Macks been banged up, but he's been pretty awful this year.
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Also, for your information do you know that for the love affair people have for derek carr he has just as many total turnovers (14) and 2 pick sixes as blake bortles total turnovers (16) and 3 pick sixes. Carr also won one more game than bortles and he has a better team around him in addition to the people who want to point out the completion percentage argument lets not factor in that the style of offense we run here requires bortles to make longer throws which is harder to make than the check downs, wr screens and quick slant which derek carr and many other qb's use in their offense throughout the league.
Quote:I'm not sure how anyone can really say objectively that Bortles is having a better year than Carr. Carr's completion percentage is much higher, he has 4 less picks to 1 less TD, he's less than 100 yards behind, and when you watch him he just looks more in control in the pocket and more consistently accurate, at every level of the field. Saying Bortles is doing better is just bias honestly.
<p style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Also, for your information do you know that for the love affair people have for derek carr he has just as many total turnovers (14) and 2 pick sixes as blake bortles total turnovers (16) and 3 pick sixes. Carr also won one more game than bortles and he has a better team around him in addition to the people who want to point out the completion percentage argument lets not factor in that the style of offense we run here requires bortles to make longer throws which is harder to make than the check downs, wr screens and quick slant which derek carr and many other qb's use in their offense throughout the NFL.
Quote:I'm not sure how anyone can really say objectively that Bortles is having a better year than Carr. Carr's completion percentage is much higher, he has 4 less picks to 1 less TD, he's less than 100 yards behind, and when you watch him he just looks more in control in the pocket and more consistently accurate, at every level of the field. Saying Bortles is doing better is just bias honestly.
I think that the two are pretty close at this point. If people think Carr is better they have an argument. If people think Bortles is better they also have an argument. I would tend to agree that Carr is having a better year, but I would say Bortles is going to have the better career.
Interesting point with the total turnovers. Makes Carr look less effective for sure. They're pretty close. Wouldn't say one is higher than the other. Blake had a 5 td game, I think Carr only had a 4. But Carr has more games without an int. It's nitpicking at this point though. They're both good, especially for 2nd year guys.
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<p style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Also, for your information do you know that for the love affair people have for derek carr he has just as many total turnovers (14) and 2 pick sixes as blake bortles total turnovers (16) and 3 pick sixes. Carr also won one more game than bortles and he has a better team around him in addition to the people who want to point out the completion percentage argument lets not factor in that the style of offense we run here requires bortles to make longer throws which is harder to make than the check downs, wr screens and quick slant which derek carr and many other qb's use in their offense throughout the NFL.
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Carr also has a much better HC.
Coaching can make a huge difference in a player, especially in a young QB.
The Raiders also play in a much tougher division and are 1 game better then the Jags record-wise.
More polished? Yes. Better? Hard to say at this point
Rk Player Team Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Yds/G TD Int Sck Rate
1 Carson Palmer ARI QB 292 453 64.5 34.8 4,003 307.9 31 9 21 107.2
2 Tom Brady NE QB 323 507 63.7 42.2 3,912 326.0 31 6 29 102.8
3 Philip Rivers SD QB 335 498 67.3 41.5 3,713 309.4 23 9 30 97.1
4 Drew Brees NO QB 306 456 67.1 41.5 3,482 316.5 23 11 27 96.6
5 Matt Ryan ATL QB 316 479 66.0 39.9 3,481 290.1 17 13 23 87.9
6 Eli Manning NYG QB 292 469 62.3 39.1 3,318 276.5 24 10 21 91.6
7 Blake Bortles JAC QB 272 471 57.7 39.2 3,274 272.8 27 13 36 86.8
8 Andy Dalton CIN QB 252 381 66.1 31.8 3,191 265.9 25 6 20 107.4
9 Derek Carr OAK QB 271 426 63.6 35.5 3,178 264.8 26 9 16 97.7
10 Matthew StafforDET QB 289 445 64.9 37.1 3,164 263.7 22 12 31 91.1
Someone tell me what it all means.....
Carr has a better rating but that doesn't factor fumbles into it. Just INTs
It's not really disrespecting Bortles as much as praising Carr. Carr has performed very well in just his second season in the league. It was known Bortles was more of a work in progress.and Carr is a year older and had an extra year to mature in college. Still plenty of time left in their careers to form a final judgement.
Quote:Rk Player Team Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Yds/G TD Int Sck Rate
1 Carson Palmer ARI QB 292 453 64.5 34.8 4,003 307.9 31 9 21 107.2
2 Tom Brady NE QB 323 507 63.7 42.2 3,912 326.0 31 6 29 102.8
3 Philip Rivers SD QB 335 498 67.3 41.5 3,713 309.4 23 9 30 97.1
4 Drew Brees NO QB 306 456 67.1 41.5 3,482 316.5 23 11 27 96.6
5 Matt Ryan ATL QB 316 479 66.0 39.9 3,481 290.1 17 13 23 87.9
6 Eli Manning NYG QB 292 469 62.3 39.1 3,318 276.5 24 10 21 91.6
7 Blake Bortles JAC QB 272 471 57.7 39.2 3,274 272.8 27 13 36 86.8
8 Andy Dalton CIN QB 252 381 66.1 31.8 3,191 265.9 25 6 20 107.4
9 Derek Carr OAK QB 271 426 63.6 35.5 3,178 264.8 26 9 16 97.7
10 Matthew StafforDET QB 289 445 64.9 37.1 3,164 263.7 22 12 31 91.1
Very interesting when you look at it there. Bortles has by far the lowest completion percentage of anyone on that list which is what's bringing is rating down. If he can improve that just to 60% imagine how much better his numbers will be. Definitely room for improvement. That said, completion percentage isn't everything. Cam Newton doesn't have a very good % either and he's probably going to win the MVP.
Let me put it this way:
If we were to draft the 2014 draft today knowing what you know now, would you take Carr over Bortles? I wouldn't.
Jags vs Raiders next year would be pretty tasty.
Bortles v Carr
The return of Del Rio
AR15 vs Amari
Fowler v Mack (hopefully)