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Of those who ascribe to islam roughly 29% espouse some form of offensive jihad. When you cross that with the 2 billion practitioners on the planet you have a greater population than the entirety of the axis powers from the second world war.

Quote:I'm 54, and I saw the start of radical Islam, it was November 4, 1979. That's when the Iranians took our people hostage. I see parallels between 1979 and today, We had a coward in the White House then (Jimmy "Mr Peanut" Carter) and we have a coward in the White House now who's afraid to call it what it is, Islamic Terror.

And now, The Muslim in the White House wants to bring the enemy here, the so called Syrian refugees. The insanity of it all boggles the mind.

 

No, you didn't. The beginnings of the radical Islamist movement began around the end of the 19th century, and gained traction with the support of the west, including the U.S., as a hedge against Soviet Expansion. This was going on before WWII.

 

The mujaheddin were supported by our CIA in their fight against the Russians, and they evolved into the Taliban, who harbored Bin Laden. That was Reagan. Al Qaeda turned their sights on us after the Saudis allowed us to build bases in their country in the buildup to the first Gulf War. That was Bush.

 

You are delusional if you think things would be different had Carter stormed our embassy in Tehran, and you're sadly misinformed if you think what we're dealing with today is solely the result of Carter's and Obama's policies.

... So who were the pirates that john adams and thomas jefferson had to fight against? Im confused. What about the sociopolitical founder of the movement. What was his military history. If you think this started in the late 19th century then we have a problem.

Quote:... So who were the pirates that john adams and thomas jefferson had to fight against? Im confused. What about the sociopolitical founder of the movement. What was his military history. If you think this started in the late 19th century then we have a problem.

 

You're right, the Wahhabi movement began in the 18th century, but really gained ground in the late 19th century. The military history between Islamist and Christian states is relevant, but what we're dealing with now is different.

Shariah law has been the same since the 6th century when it was written at the founding of the theocratic ideology. To focus on the ittirations and interpretations and ignore the source code is suicidal.

Quote:No, you didn't. The beginnings of the radical Islamist movement began around the end of the 19th century, and gained traction with the support of the west, including the U.S., as a hedge against Soviet Expansion. This was going on before WWII.

 

The mujaheddin were supported by our CIA in their fight against the Russians, and they evolved into the Taliban, who harbored Bin Laden. That was Reagan Carter. Al Qaeda turned their sights on us after the Saudis allowed us to build bases in their country in the buildup to the first Gulf War. That was Bush.

 

You are delusional if you think things would be different had Carter stormed our embassy in Tehran, and you're sadly misinformed if you think what we're dealing with today is solely the result of Carter's and Obama's policies.

 

I agree and disagree with your statement.  I fixed the first part for you.  Also, as far as the Saudis prior to the first Gulf War, they asked the U.S. and our allies for protection against the Iraqi's after the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

 

That being said, covert support of the mujaheddin and other radical groups has taken place in every administration up to and including the current administration.

You can go back as far as the 10th century to see jihads against Christianity post and during the crusades.Muslims vs western influence is not a new thing and has gone on for hundreds of years.

Quote:I agree and disagree with your statement.  I fixed the first part for you.  Also, as far as the Saudis prior to the first Gulf War, they asked the U.S. and our allies for protection against the Iraqi's after the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

 

That being said, covert support of the mujaheddin and other radical groups has taken place in every administration up to and including the current administration.

 

Carter started it, but it was greatly expanded by Reagan.

Really sad what happened. Thoughts are with those who lost loved ones.

Please do not forget that we created ISIS.  They were Obama's so-called "junior varsity", the "moderate" rebels we armed to take on Assad in the phony "civil war" in Syria.  There was never a civil war  - the forces trying to remove Assad were always from outside of Syria.  It has always been a proxy war led by the U.S. / U.K. / Israel / Saudis to oust Assad so a natural gas pipeline could be run through Syria to the coast.  

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The fact that no one has openly called Israel for what they are--terrorist thugs--sometimes astonishes me. I know it's not PC to say, but Israel's strong-arm and often violent tactics against Palestine (among other Arab nations in the region) and ongoing, though finally tapering, western support for that nation are one of the greatest contributors to the problems we continue to face with the Arab world. Well, that and this...

 

Quote:Please do not forget that we created ISIS.  They were Obama's so-called "junior varsity", the "moderate" rebels we armed to take on Assad in the phony "civil war" in Syria.  There was never a civil war  - the forces trying to remove Assad were always from outside of Syria.  It has always been a proxy war led by the U.S. / U.K. / Israel / Saudis to oust Assad so a natural gas pipeline could be run through Syria to the coast.  

The US created Al Qaeda when it abandoned the Mujahideen after giving them loads of state-of-the-art weaponry. It largely created ISIS when it "liberated" Iraq, leaving behind, again, lots of weapons for the new radicals to find. We're like some kind of failed Batman. We keep creating our own villains, we just don't know how to stop the Joker from gassing Gotham.

Quote:The fact that no one has openly called Israel for what they are--terrorist thugs--sometimes astonishes me. I know it's not PC to say, but Israel's strong-arm and often violent tactics against Palestine (among other Arab nations in the region) and ongoing, though finally tapering, western support for that nation are one of the greatest contributors to the problems we continue to face with the Arab world. Well, that and this...

 

The US created Al Qaeda when it abandoned the Mujahideen after giving them loads of state-of-the-art weaponry. It largely created ISIS when it "liberated" Iraq, leaving behind, again, lots of weapons for the new radicals to find. We're like some kind of failed Batman. We keep creating our own villains, we just don't know how to stop the Joker from gassing Gotham.

 

If those damn Jews would just shut up and die the world would be a much better place, amirite?  

Quote:If those damn Jews would just shut up and die the world would be a much better place, amirite?  

That's not what I said in the slightest, but if you want to take it there, fine. Says a wee bit more about you than me.

I don't blame Bibi for doing everything in his power to protect his people.

Quote:The fact that no one has openly called Israel for what they are--terrorist thugs--.

 

Clearly that's not what you said, you certainly implied it though.

Quote:Clearly that's not what you said, you certainly implied it though.

The Israeli military has a history of responding to a suicide bomber by firing rockets into Palestinian villages and towns, knowing that innocent people would be killed. Responding to terrorism by knowingly murdering innocent civilians makes the Israeli government a regime that sanctions and uses terrorism to suit its ends. Hence, the Israeli government and military--not it's people, so let's not even go there--are terrorist thugs.

Quote:The Israeli military has a history of responding to a suicide bomber by firing rockets into Palestinian villages and towns, knowing that innocent people would be killed. Responding to terrorism by knowingly murdering innocent civilians makes the Israeli government a regime that sanctions and uses terrorism to suit its ends. Hence, the Israeli government and military--not it's people, so let's not even go there--are terrorist thugs.

 

Not that I am defending Israel, but we obliterated two civilian cities to end a war. You cant just expect a country to sit back and let its civilians get terrorized and do nothing in response.

So hamass should be hels harmless for using schools and villages as vases for their rocket fire?