11-09-2015, 01:44 PM
Quote:I'd consider the Jets a league powerhouse... the Patriots are what you'd call an elite team.
We have completely different definitions of powerhouse teams then, 02.
11-09-2015, 01:44 PM
11-09-2015, 01:49 PM
Quote:We have completely different definitions of powerhouse teams then, 02.Even if we use your "good" standard here, the Jaguars did a good job of being able to keep their rushing attack in check, and the vaunted secondary got torched for nearly 400 yards. Their pass rush was effective, and had an impact in this game, but the Jags were still able to put up stats against them, while completely stonewalling their running game.
Theyr'e not elite. They're not even a powerhouse. But, they are a decent football team that is a good measuring stick for where this team is currently. The Jags were in that game all the way to the end. It sucks to lose, but if we get a couple of calls to go our way, or if Joeckel or Poz fall on fumbles, the outcome could have been completely different.
The Jags have the misfortune of not only having to battle their opponent, but also having to overcome the lousy officiating in order to win games. Losing sucks, but as you look at the progression this team is making currently, the improvement is there. Things need to start falling their way. It may require them to step up and make a little of their own luck. They certainly won't be getting any help in the process.
11-09-2015, 01:50 PM
I would rather lose games like this instead of the last few years of being totally blown out. Although, it is much more frustrating to lose when it is due to turnovers or missed field goals. I am really excited to see what we can do with a consistent pass rush. I hope Fowler is that when he returns next year.
11-09-2015, 01:51 PM
Quote:They are a good team, not a league powerhouse.fair enough....
The Patriots are an example of a league powerhouse and we lost to them 51-17.
The Jets are never going to be a powerhouse with Fitz as their QB.
so 2 of our losses are against undefeated teams, another 2 were divisional matchups (those games are always close, even with bad teams)
the other 2 were hard to swallow losses that fall directly on the young team making boneheaded mistakes.
and we still have a chance to actually prove to be a better team? With divisional matchups and the 3rd or 4th easiest sched.
11-09-2015, 01:53 PM
Quote:I would rather lose games like this instead of the last few years of being totally blown out. Although, it is much more frustrating to lose when it is due to turnovers or missed field goals. I am really excited to see what we can do with a consistent pass rush. I hope Fowler is that when he returns next year.
Exactly. People are looking for signs of improvement. That's the first one.
I believe Bobby Bowden was asked about how a team should progress when rebuilding. His response was to lose big, lose small, win small, win big. We're in between the lose small / win small window. The arrow is pointed in the right direction. People are justifiably disappointed that the wins aren't there, but I don't think we're that far from seeing them start to pile up.
11-09-2015, 02:04 PM
Being close is good. We are showing improvement compared to previous season when we knew the game was over by the end of the 1st quarter then whoever was at qb and receivers racked up the stats during garbage time.
11-09-2015, 02:09 PM
We've kept games close this season and last year for the most part, at least for the first half. Seems like the second half is when everything comes apart and we just give up or shoot ourselves in the foot.
11-09-2015, 02:24 PM
Again, though... are we "keeping it close" because of the level of improvement? Or is it because of the incredibly low quality of opponent?
I'm sorry, but I'd disagree that the Jets team we faced yesterday was even "pretty good". They were hampered quite a bit with Mangold out most of the game, and their secondary was falling apart as it went along. Revis is Revis, but he can't do it alone, and a good chunk of Robinson's yardage came on plays where he was passed off to their Safeties who... well, weren't very good.
Miami was in full on meltdown, Buffalo was missing three of their top offensive weapons, Houston was mid-QB controversy and was looking terrible by all standards, Tampa Bay was a game to see which team was actually the worst in the league...
These aren't close games against respectable teams. They're close games against the worst the league has to offer that week.
My concern, is that we are not between Lose Small and Win Small. We're still between Lose Big and Lose Small, we've just been given such a weak schedule that it's masking that fact, despite the New England blowout.
ATL and New Orleans may really show where we are, for good or for bad. I'm anxiously awaiting those games.
If we "lose small" in those games, I'll be more inclined to agree.
I'm sorry, but I'd disagree that the Jets team we faced yesterday was even "pretty good". They were hampered quite a bit with Mangold out most of the game, and their secondary was falling apart as it went along. Revis is Revis, but he can't do it alone, and a good chunk of Robinson's yardage came on plays where he was passed off to their Safeties who... well, weren't very good.
Miami was in full on meltdown, Buffalo was missing three of their top offensive weapons, Houston was mid-QB controversy and was looking terrible by all standards, Tampa Bay was a game to see which team was actually the worst in the league...
These aren't close games against respectable teams. They're close games against the worst the league has to offer that week.
My concern, is that we are not between Lose Small and Win Small. We're still between Lose Big and Lose Small, we've just been given such a weak schedule that it's masking that fact, despite the New England blowout.
ATL and New Orleans may really show where we are, for good or for bad. I'm anxiously awaiting those games.
If we "lose small" in those games, I'll be more inclined to agree.
11-09-2015, 02:24 PM
Quote:I'm referring to the now 5-3 Jets who were consistently in the top ten at least before the Raiders game, and who took the Patriots to the wire while boasting one of the league's top rated defenses. It's no coincidence that something like 95 percent of fans and media alike were picking the 8-point favorite Jets.
I'm not gonna go so far as to say the Jets are a powerhouse team.
They've lost to the Eagles, Raiders, Pats.
They lost 2 straight games where there defense did not look good. The Raiders shredded them. Then, in a 3rd straight game, the Jags put up big passing numbers. I'd call the Jets decent, but I don't think they've looked all that good the past few weeks.
11-09-2015, 02:38 PM
The team has improved. We finally have a passing game, with building blocks at QB and WR. We have a potential franchise RB, as well. Does the offense lack consistency? Definitely, and I'd say that's due to the make shift offensive line we are trotting out there. Losing Linder was the worst possible circumstance to happen to this team and to the offense. A lot of youth on the offensive side of the ball, and it'll only get better.
Defensively, just not a lot of talent out there. Not a lot of depth, which also hurts the special teams. The offense isn't experienced enough to win shootouts, yet. Especially when they have to overcome poor play on defense and special teams.
My expectations were low for this season anyways. I knew it would be bumpy, and I only expected 6 wins. I knew the defense would struggle, and you won't win many games with a porous defense.
Defensively, just not a lot of talent out there. Not a lot of depth, which also hurts the special teams. The offense isn't experienced enough to win shootouts, yet. Especially when they have to overcome poor play on defense and special teams.
My expectations were low for this season anyways. I knew it would be bumpy, and I only expected 6 wins. I knew the defense would struggle, and you won't win many games with a porous defense.
11-09-2015, 05:06 PM
29.4 points per game given up. Worst in franchise history. I'm surprised Blake has won 2 games.
11-09-2015, 05:31 PM
Do injuries count for the jags or only for the opponents.
I have no problem citing a team as weak because of injuries, but you also have to account for the jags' injuries.
I have no problem citing a team as weak because of injuries, but you also have to account for the jags' injuries.
11-09-2015, 05:40 PM
Quote:Even if we use your "good" standard here, the Jaguars did a good job of being able to keep their rushing attack in check, and the vaunted secondary got torched for nearly 400 yards. Their pass rush was effective, and had an impact in this game, but the Jags were still able to put up stats against them, while completely stonewalling their running game.Losing the turnover battle 4-0 didn't help either.
Theyr'e not elite. They're not even a powerhouse. But, they are a decent football team that is a good measuring stick for where this team is currently. The Jags were in that game all the way to the end. It sucks to lose, but if we get a couple of calls to go our way, or if Joeckel or Poz fall on fumbles, the outcome could have been completely different.
The Jags have the misfortune of not only having to battle their opponent, but also having to overcome the lousy officiating in order to win games. Losing sucks, but as you look at the progression this team is making currently, the improvement is there. Things need to start falling their way. It may require them to step up and make a little of their own luck. They certainly won't be getting any help in the process.
11-09-2015, 07:28 PM
That 20-9 loss to the panthers looks pretty good considering they could very easily go undefeated this season.
11-09-2015, 07:49 PM
Quote:29.4 points per game given up. Worst in franchise history. I'm surprised Blake has won 2 games.
How many of those points were given up by pick 6's,, fumbles that went for TDs,, and turnovers deep in their own territory giving opponents short fields??
Not every point in every game is due to the defense.
In fact,, at least 4 games this year (that I can remember anyway), Bortles, Grant gave a TD to the other team.
Defense wasn't on the field.
11-09-2015, 07:53 PM
Quote:How many of those points were given up by pick 6's,, fumbles that went for TDs,, and turnovers deep in their own territory giving opponents short fields??It's not like this is the only season where we've given up pick 6's or fumbles that went for TDs though. If someone wanted to discount those this season and go through the previous seasons then we'd have a more accurate number, but otherwise that's all we have to go off of.
Not every point in every game is due to the defense.
In fact,, at least 4 games this year (that I can remember anyway), Bortles, Grant gave a TD to the other team.
Defense wasn't on the field.
11-09-2015, 07:58 PM
Quote:It's not like this is the only season where we've given up pick 6's or fumbles that went for TDs though. If someone wanted to discount those this season and go through the previous seasons then we'd have a more accurate number, but otherwise that's all we have to go off of.
It's amazing that people still don't understand what wins in the NFL.........
Peyton Manning- 9 TD and 13 INT- 75.6 QB rating-----his defense allows 17.4 points per game
Cam Newton - 14 TD and 9 INT -----81.3 QB rating-----his defense allows 20.6 points per game
Blake Bortles- 17 TD and 10 INT- ---83.2 QB rating-----his defense allows 29.4 points per game
11-09-2015, 08:02 PM
Quote:It's amazing that people still don't understand what wins in the NFL.........It's an alarming number, even with what our ST/offense has given up. It's also not the numbers are conflicting with what we've seen on the field either. Our defense sucks and we aren't going to win many games until that changes.
Peyton Manning- 9 TD and 13 INT- 75.6 QB rating-----his defense allows 17.4 points per game
Cam Newton - 14 TD and 9 INT -----81.3 QB rating-----his defense allows 20.6 points per game
Blake Bortles- 17 TD and 10 INT- ---83.2 QB rating-----his defense allows 29.4 points per game
11-09-2015, 08:05 PM
-Jags defense gave up 13 points to Carolina (Bortles pick 6 made it 20),,
Jags lost.
-Jags defense gave up 13 points in regulation to Colts (3 more in OT)
Jags lost
Defense held a couple opponents to very low scores this year,, while the offense couldn't do anything. Have we already forgotten the early part of the year?
Every QB is gonna throw some INT,, that's very true.
But man,, when those turnovers come at CRITICAL points of the game (like yesterday,, against Texans,, against Panthers), they VERY MUCH affect the outcome. Always has, always will.
Jags lost.
-Jags defense gave up 13 points in regulation to Colts (3 more in OT)
Jags lost
Defense held a couple opponents to very low scores this year,, while the offense couldn't do anything. Have we already forgotten the early part of the year?
Every QB is gonna throw some INT,, that's very true.
But man,, when those turnovers come at CRITICAL points of the game (like yesterday,, against Texans,, against Panthers), they VERY MUCH affect the outcome. Always has, always will.
11-09-2015, 08:07 PM
And yes,, the defense absolutely needs to be better, most definitely.
But, let's not act like they're the only reason the Jags are sucking. That's a complete denial of reality.
But, let's not act like they're the only reason the Jags are sucking. That's a complete denial of reality.