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Maybe slightly at best. He's been romanticized by a segment of Jaguar fans since he was traded away. He has been a bust in Baltimore. He's been oft injured. And when he has played, he has not been good.
Certainly not worth what he's being paid.
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Maybe slightly at best. He's been romanticized by a segment of Jaguar fans since he was traded away. He has been a bust in Baltimore. He's been oft injured. And when he has played, he has not been good.
"Slightly at best" is correct. I liked Monroe and thought he was solid but IMO he never reached the potential I thought he had. In his last season here in Jax he still would still get beat by the same pass rush moves as he did as a rookie. The frequency in which he got beat was much less but the fact that he hadn't elevated his game to the level of rarely getting beat by the same moves was troubling. I liked Monroe but had no problems with Caldwell trading him away for picks.
Joeckel has slowly corrected some of his issues from last season. My hope is that he slowly continues to improve his weaknesses over time and shapes himself into a quality LT. I don't have expectations of an All-Pro LT but if he is somebody who is just rock solid and is a guy the team doesn't have to worry about going forward he will be alright in my eyes. I don't hold his draft position against him, I just want him to continue his improvement and help the team
You don't draft guys early first round to be "rock solid", you draft them to be the All Pros and cornerstones of the team. However, if you make a mistake in the assessment and the guy goes from garbage to being a dependable starter then that's the best you can hope for.
Quote:"Slightly at best" is correct. I liked Monroe and thought he was solid but IMO he never reached the potential I thought he had. In his last season here in Jax he still would still get beat by the same pass rush moves as he did as a rookie. The frequency in which he got beat was much less but the fact that he hadn't elevated his game to the level of rarely getting beat by the same moves was troubling. I liked Monroe but had no problems with Caldwell trading him away for picks.
Joeckel has slowly corrected some of his issues from last season. My hope is that he slowly continues to improve his weaknesses over time and shapes himself into a quality LT. I don't have expectations of an All-Pro LT but if he is somebody who is just rock solid and is a guy the team doesn't have to worry about going forward he will be alright in my eyes. I don't hold his draft position against him, I just want him to continue his improvement and help the team
Quote:You don't draft guys early first round to be "rock solid", you draft them to be the All Pros and cornerstones of the team. However, if you make a mistake in the assessment and the guy goes from garbage to being a dependable starter then that's the best you can hope for.
I'm just not one to get hung up on where people get drafted. Yeah when you draft somebody that high you expect an All-Pro but I just don't see that happening. So you move past where he was drafted and hope that he can be that "rock solid" LT that allows the team to draft positions elsewhere. The guy can play the next ten years as a quality LT and people would still be unhappy that he was drafted second overall and wasn't a multiple time All-Pro. At some point you just have to move past where the guy was drafted if he's playing well enough to help the team win. At this point I would say Luke is playing well enough to help the team win.
I have to hand it to Joekel for reaching deep down and bringing out his best. The guy struggled big time last year in his first full season, and the struggled big time this preseason. He came out week one allowing a sack in the first half and then got hurt. It wasn't looking for good for him as he'd go on to miss the next two games. But Luke came back week four and has stacked together four solid starts. He's truly held his own and looks like he might be on the verge of having a breakout season.
The Jaguars are on a bye as look ahead toward a road game at a tough Jets team with one of the league's best DLs. This in my mind is a prove it game for Luke, and my expectations for him are rather high. Moreover, I feel like Joekel has more than held his own this past four weeks as the guy next to him, Zane Beedles, has been abused out there lately. Now there is some thought that Zane has been forced to play through injury and may even miss the Jets game, but for Luke's part, he's really done a stellar job lately and the improvement is most definitely noticeable.
The reduction in the number of Joke suxx threads says yes.
That, or shinier objects have been found to turn attention to.
Look like Joe Thomas is available. He is 30 years old.
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Thomas, who tore his ACL as a junior at the University of Wisconsin, said he’s torn his MCL three times and suffered two high ankle sprains over the past eight seasons.
Maybe for a late round pick he'd be useful but I'm not sure he's worth giving up on Joeckel for. He's 31 in a month and is on the downswing.
I don't think we make any changes to the O-Line. It could be better but I don't think bringing in Joe Thomas and/or Alex Mack is what is going to make it better. Continuity and chemistry is part of what this line lacks and bringing in two new, old starters to replace our young guys is not going to help that.
Quote:I don't think we make any changes to the O-Line. It could be better but I don't think bringing in Joe Thomas and/or Alex Mack is what is going to make it better. Continuity and chemistry is part of what this line lacks and bringing in two new, old starters to replace our young guys is not going to help that.
Yeah, I dont think our oline is all that bad right now. We need defense!!!!
Chemistry and young guys developing will make this line better.
Joeckel-Cann-Wiz-Linder-Parnell
Should be the starting lineup starting next year. I would draft another guy in round 3-4 (maybe a swing tackle or C) and just keep developing these guys.
Nor bad with Bo and Shatley and a rookie for depth.
Quote:Chemistry and young guys developing will make this line better.
Joeckel-Cann-Wiz-Linder-Parnell
Should be the starting lineup starting next year. I would draft another guy in round 3-4 (maybe a swing tackle or C) and just keep developing these guys.
Quote:Chemistry and young guys developing will make this line better.
Joeckel-Cann-Wiz-Linder-Parnell
Should be the starting lineup starting next year. I would draft another guy in round 3-4 (maybe a swing tackle or C) and just keep developing these guys.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowanko make a move for either the C or LG job. It's easy to forget that he was playing pretty well towards the end of last year.
Improved?... yes most definitely
Legit starting tackle?... NO
Quote:Improved?... yes most definitely
Legit starting tackle?... NO
It's not like there are a ton of great left tackles out there. Joeckel, whether you choose to believe it or not, is top-15. He's mid-pack. Hardly what was expected of him, but he's still a decent starter.
Quote:Improved?... yes most definitely
Legit starting tackle?... NO
He's one of the 32 best left tackles in the NFL.
PFF ranked the Oline 19th overall, and said that Luke is a failure along with ranking RT Parnell the 2nd worst Free Agency failure this season...
ouch...
so basically PFF's view is that the Center has played great, that Cann is no Linder (not even close, gave Cann bad grades) and that Beadles has struggled as well..
I guess if it wasnt for Marrone the Oline would be much worse...
2. Jermey Parnell, OT, Jaguars (five years, $32 million,
45.0 overall grade)
After a good season for the Dallas Cowboys in 2014, Parnell was acquired to help improve the Jaguars’ struggling offensive line. He has yet to do so, posting the
50th-ranked overall grade among tackles so far, with the seventh-worst pass blocking efficiency (92.1 percent) among qualified offensive tackles. He has allowed 11 QB hits and 18 hurries through the first eight weeks of 2015
PFF is bad at grading you need to stop looking at it at gospel.
Quote:PFF ranked the Oline 19th overall, and said that Luke is a failure along with ranking RT Parnell the 2nd worst Free Agency failure this season...
ouch...
so basically PFF's view is that the Center has played great, that Cann is no Linder (not even close, gave Cann bad grades) and that Beadles has struggled as well..
I guess if it wasnt for Marrone the Oline would be much worse...
2. Jermey Parnell, OT, Jaguars (five years, $32 million, 45.0 overall grade)
After a good season for the Dallas Cowboys in 2014, Parnell was acquired to help improve the Jaguars’ struggling offensive line. He has yet to do so, posting the 50th-ranked overall grade among tackles so far, with the seventh-worst pass blocking efficiency (92.1 percent) among qualified offensive tackles. He has allowed 11 QB hits and 18 hurries through the first eight weeks of 2015
19th best offensive line but...Joeckel bad, Beadles bad, Cann bad, Parnell bad. What does that say about the 13 lines ranked worse?