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Quote:Firing him now would show impatience? If anything Khan has shown incredible patience by keeping him up until this point. I don't think any coaches would look at Bradley being fired with an 8-30 record as an unjustified impatient move. Many coaches have been fired for having much netter records.

 

This is a huge exageration. When should Khan have fired Gus to show a normal amount of patience? At the end of last year which would have been year 2 and also with a rookie QB and all rookie WR's, except Shorts? Or right this second? I'm not seeing Khan showing an INCREDIBLE amount of patience by allowing this to continue through this season.

Quote:Ummm have you been downtown recently?

 

Downtown Jax where we have some chilled out homeless people vs Downtown New Orleans where there's an abundance of crime, homeless people, and drunks that consider every street corner their own personal urinal..

 

As a coach making $5m+ per year I'd much rather raise my family in a 30 mile perimeter of downtown Jax than New Orleans.

Quote:Correct, i actually think it's one of the more attractive positions to come to:

 

- Likely a franchise QB

- A team with talent that is underachieving

- The chance to get credit for a quick turnaround

- A competent GM that will continue to acquire talent through the draft

- A rockstar owner who is doing things no one else has

- Sunny Florida

- No state income tax

 

Also the Jags play in the worst division in the NFL, making a quick turnaround even more possible then if they took a job coaching a bad team in another division.

 

The AFCS is so up for grabs, especially this year, it's ridiculous that the Jags are sitting here at 1-5 with the teams they have played so far this season.

 

Even at 1-5 the Jags are only 2 games out of first place. Just a pitiful division.

Quote:Downtown Jax where we have some chilled out homeless people vs Downtown New Orleans where there's an abundance of crime, homeless people, and drunks that consider every street corner their own personal urinal..

 

As a coach making $5m+ per year I'd much rather raise my family in a 30 mile perimeter of downtown Jax than New Orleans.

I agree with this.  You want to talk about some crazy [BLEEP] bums, go to San Francisco!

Quote:Downtown Jax where we have some chilled out homeless people vs Downtown New Orleans where there's an abundance of crime, homeless people, and drunks that consider every street corner their own personal urinal..


As a coach making $5m+ per year I'd much rather raise my family in a 30 mile perimeter of downtown Jax than New Orleans.

Next time you go get out of your car, take a stroll up and down the streets, and tell me if you still feel the same way.

Quote:Next time you go get out of your car, take a stroll up and down the streets, and tell me if you still feel the same way.

It's obvious you've never been to New Orleans.

Quote:It's obvious you've never been to New Orleans.

No I've been. But downtown Jacksonville isn't all unicorns and rainbows either. Would you walk around 8th street after nightfall by yourself? How about Myrtle ave?

Quote:I know most people on this board want the head coach fired yesterday. I have seen post that say "let's see what Maroone can do" and then "if that doesnt work out then let's bring in Sean Payton at the end of the year"...


While that may seem like the obvious thing to do, why would a coach like Sean Payton want to come here if we fire Bradley now?


Since Del Rio was let go, we had Mel Tucker as an interim head coach who wasn't resigned. Then we had Mike Mularkey who was fired after one season, and now we have Gus Bradley who is basically 2.5 seasons into a major rebuild.


How does firing him now instill any confidence in other potential head coaches that could potentially come here? This would show a huge lack in patience or long term vision and I really doubt a guy like Sean Payton would come to an organization that shows these qualities.


I know it sounds horrible but the best thing to do is stick with Bradley at least until seasons end and then reevaluate before making any decisions. And as long as locker room still believes in him, then they should probably let him finish out his contract in year 4 before making a switch at coach.

I feel the exact same way, we gotta show commitment, if we keep firing guys left and right who the hell would want to come here

Quote:Nope, agree with the OP. This team has chosen a plan. Stick with it. The age alone is a huge factor.

If the owner doesn't stick with a plan, who will ever trust what he says? If he says you have 4 years and [BLEEP] cans someone in 2.5 years what kind of owner does that illustrate, and who would want to work for him, even for good money? Not many people like to work for owners who don't keep their word, not to mention IF the deal was a 4 year plan/process, that would indicate that we are just barely over half way through...

I think he should be fired right away.

 

Yesterday I made my points as to why I believe he should be fired immediately.  I think he's doing more harm than good as the coach.  The sooner we get someone in hear that isn't "a player's coach" the better.  

 

If Caldwell thinks he wants to stick with Bradley till the end of the season, I'm OK with that.  I hope it's not Shad's call.  This should be left up to the GM to make the decision.  And the GM should see that what is happening here needs to be corrected as quickly as possible.

Quote:I didn't say firing him would show impatience...but when you factor that I with Mularkey and not extending Tucker, and then probably not extending Marrone assuming he would be named the interm, then that's basically 4 coaches in 5 years. You can't act like we are the only team that would looking at Sean Payton. A team like the Colts assuming they fire Pagano after this year would use those statistics against us if we fired Bradley now....

 

No it's not basically four coaches in 5 years.  You don't count Tucker or Maronne because they're only there in the INTERIM.  So it's basically two coaches in 5 years, which isn't at all unusual.  Especially since Mularkey was so bad, and we hired a new GM who wanted his own coach.  

Quote:No it's not basically four coaches in 5 years.  You don't count Tucker or Maronne because they're only there in the INTERIM.  So it's basically two coaches in 5 years, which isn't at all unusual.  Especially since Mularkey was so bad, and we hired a new GM who wanted his own coach.  

It's not unusual when your team is this bad.

I understand Khan's approach. He'll ride this loser out until the bitter end. Our next up coming off-season will be interesting though. I'd be happy with either Sean Payton or Hue Jackson as our next headcoach. Of course we'd like to see Khan be able to throw a huge number at a coach like Dungy, Cowher or maybe even Gruden to convince them to come out of retirement but it's highly unlikely they come back into the coaching circle.

But our next headcoach has to be experienced and has headcoached a team before. Payton fits that bill. Jackson fits that bill. The one year Jackson coached the Raiders they went 8 - 8 and looked competent and competitive. Jackson took over the offense for the Bengals when Jay Gruden left for WAS and they've looked a lot better and more balanced as an offense ever since.

Those are the coaches you want leading your team, developing your young QB and offense and calling the shots play wise on offense. Defensively they'll have to find some big name guys as well to help compliment the team. But for our current coach to be defensive minded and for it to be this terrible is aggravating and inexcusable.

Quote:I think most people are in agreement and realize Shad's plan at this point is to play the season out with the staff as is.

I think most people realize but are most certainly not in agreement with Shad's plan to let the season play out with gus. But the team belongs to Shad; it's his toy to do with as he will.

I think we should evaluate at the end of the season. I know it's not as emotionally satisfying as firing everyone right now, but I think it's the level headed, logical thing to do, for all the reasons cited above.

Keep him until the end of the season, who cares at this point. He's good for coaching us to a top 3 pick every year at least. He's gotta go for the 2016 season no doubt or that'll be a wash too.

Sure, showing a lack of patience is not a good thing. We don't want to be like Oakland or Washington. But the ultimate question is, have you seen any improvement from Gus Bradley, as a Gameday coach?


Plus, I feel like the motto "wins don't matter" is a poison. That BS will work for young players who don't know any better, but not everyone will buy into it. It'll lead to division in the locker room, and create issues. Either Gus needs to start emphasizing winning, or we need to find a coach that will.


And I'm someone who was willing to be patient with Gus, and give him a fourth season, to go along with Bortles' third season. I knew this team wasn't going to make the playoffs this season. But the team is constantly underperforming, making poor decisions, missing tackles, etc. It hasn't improved in his tenure, and it's very frustrating to watch. I mean, atleast the team has been staying in games, for the most part. I expected 6 wins this season, and the way the team is playing, I don't see us even getting half that.


At the end of this season, Gus will be like 10-37? Not many franchises in the NFL would be patient with a 5-20 record, let alone 10-37. So honestly, I don't see how letting Gus go at the end of this season will scare any potential candidate away.

Quote:I think we should evaluate at the end of the season. I know it's not as emotionally satisfying as firing everyone right now, but I think it's the level headed, logical thing to do, for all the reasons cited above.

I question the rationality of keeping Gus until the end of the season. It's obvious by now that we have enough talent on the roster to be relevant; our continued failure to be relevant (aka-win games) therefore falls on the coaching. Since it can be rationally argued that the problem is with the coaching, the need of when to replace the HC becomes the real question. Here is a very brief list of 'pros vs. cons' of doing so now:

 

PRO

1. by firing Gus now, it sends a clear message to the players that winning does matter more than the 'process'. It's about the results, not the process.

2. by firing Gus now, it gives the team a chance to evaluate interim coaches in live situations without long term commitment.

3. coaches have already been fired who had a better record than Gus Bradley.

 

CON

1. it would send a message to other prospective coaches that this regime will not tolerate failure forever. It might turn away some prospects.

2. continuity is almost always preferable to the disruption of a coaching change.

 

Our current record is not totally a result of 'bad coaching'. It is a combination of having too many rookies being led by an equally rookie HC, and injuries to key players. if the new 'full time' coach has an extended period of losing however, it casts doubt on the quality of the GM. 

 

I think Gus Bradley has quality as a coach, just not as a long term HC... at least, not yet. He was not without virtue in working with rookies... he just proved to not be the guy we needed as a HC.  Realizing that a GM can only hire personnel as they are available, Gus Bradley seemed like the best option to Dave Caldwell... and here we are today.

 

The only question is how long will we continue before change takes place. Waiting too long squanders the opportunity to evaluate possible coaches in an interim capability. On the other hand, I do believe that miracles take place in every day life; maybe the season can somehow get turned around very, very soon.

Quote:I was downtown last week (past the stadium) for the first time in forever and I was shocked by how much things are still the same. It is really pretty sad to be honest. I don't know how they plan to "fix" it.

 

And Shad wants to do "The Shipyards" project???

 

I don't know about that one???

 

May have the potential to be a massive Money Sinkhole into the abyss.

Payton likely knows he and Bradley aren't in the same league.