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Fire Gus after we get back from London so marone has 2 weeks and because Gus at least can handle the idea of London practices

Both men seem a little lost on the job. Dave getting Gerhart was a big red flag people ignored. Beadles another red flag. Then he says he is going to be active in FA yet when someone really good comes along everyone knows we don't have a chance in hades of getting a true FA stud. We get backups and role players. When we draft we get backups that we use as starters. Nobody really progresses once hired. We keep some players like Marcedes that should have been gone last year.

 

We have our QB, he should have spent the summer learning how to not overthrow his receivers, because anything with an arc on the ball going deep and it's going to be 3 yards too far. That's on the QB coach and head coach as well.

Look it's simple, Gus was hired for his high energy and resume of being with a winner. That won over an owner not used to hiring coaches. He baffled them with bull puckey after drinking a case of red bull.

The GM was hired because he can slick back his hair, put on a suit and look like a yuppie Billy Donavan and like Gus talks a good game. He probably has amazing spreadsheets and power point presentations showing his player evaluations. He looks the part, however the players he gets show the true mind of the man. Gerhart was all you need to say to know BAD GM HIRE. That wasn't just a fluke bad player, such as a star getting hurt,  nobody was going to run an offense around Toby. Except Dave that is.

 

Both men's results speak for themselves, it's not working, I would fire both GM and coach and chalk it up to Khan's inexperience in hiring football employees. Khan needs to find a true mastermind of putting together an organization, this may be someone retired like a vermiel or parcell type, as a consultant role, but he needs to realize his own judgement is not strong in this area, and hire a man who can properly analyze all new front office hires.

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Dave Caldwell has not drafted/signed one transcendent talent in his three years at the helm

 

 

Dude, you're falling off rails on a crazy train...

 

 

Allen Hurns is 7th in the league in Yards...

 

AR15 is 9th in the league in Yards...  

 

AR15 IS TIED WITH GRONK AND JULIO JONES for 4th in TDs...  

 

Telvin Smith is 2nd in tackles...

 

BB5 is 6th in Yards.  BB5 is tied for 3rd in TDs  AHEAD OF TOM BRADY...

 

 

Quote:Dude, you're falling off rails on a crazy train...

 

 

Allen Hurns is 7th in the league in Yards...

 

AR15 is 9th in the league in Yards...  

 

AR15 IS TIED WITH GRONK AND JULIO JONES for 4th in TDs...  

 

Telvin Smith is 2nd in tackles...

 

BB5 is 6th in Yards.  BB5 is tied for 3rd in TDs  AHEAD OF TOM BRADY...

 

 

 

Dude, none of that matters, only my agenda that I'm trying to constantly prove.

Let's win. Who cares about this other crap. You think Brady cares about his TDs? He'd hand tge ball off every down if they could.

Quote:Both men seem a little lost on the job. Dave getting Gerhart was a big red flag people ignored. Beadles another red flag. Then he says he is going to be active in FA yet when someone really good comes along everyone knows we don't have a chance in hades of getting a true FA stud. We get backups and role players. When we draft we get backups that we use as starters. Nobody really progresses once hired. We keep some players like Marcedes that should have been gone last year.

 

We have our QB, he should have spent the summer learning how to not overthrow his receivers, because anything with an arc on the ball going deep and it's going to be 3 yards too far. That's on the QB coach and head coach as well.

Look it's simple, Gus was hired for his high energy and resume of being with a winner. That won over an owner not used to hiring coaches. He baffled them with bull puckey after drinking a case of red bull.

The GM was hired because he can slick back his hair, put on a suit and look like a yuppie Billy Donavan and like Gus talks a good game. He probably has amazing spreadsheets and power point presentations showing his player evaluations. He looks the part, however the players he gets show the true mind of the man. Gerhart was all you need to say to know BAD GM HIRE. That wasn't just a fluke bad player, such as a star getting hurt,  nobody was going to run an offense around Toby. Except Dave that is.

 

Both men's results speak for themselves, it's not working, I would fire both GM and coach and chalk it up to Khan's inexperience in hiring football employees. Khan needs to find a true mastermind of putting together an organization, this may be someone retired like a vermiel or parcell type, as a consultant role, but he needs to realize his own judgement is not strong in this area, and hire a man who can properly analyze all new front office hires.

 

Why did you even write all of that?  Simply could have said I don't like Gus and Dave.  Instead, Dave Caldwell isn't any good because his hair is slicked back.

Quote:Let's win. Who cares about this other crap. You think Brady cares about his TDs? He'd hand tge ball off every down if they could.

 

Yes, I think Brady some what cares about his TD's, but that isn't an indictment on him.  But yes, let's win.  Because losing really, really, really sucks.

Quote:Let's win. Who cares about this other crap. You think Brady cares about his TDs? He'd hand tge ball off every down if they could.

 

Yes, let's win... But let's also not be stupid... 

 

I'm not gonna sit here on the interwebs and listen to someone tell me that our offense is bereft of talent...  So I proved that guy wrong...  My job for the evening is done...

How anyone can support Gus as head coach here any longer is beyond me.

 

Have you not seen enough bad coaching here over the last 10+ years to know that he's not good?

Quote:Senderrick Marks is not a transcendent player

 

He's not a Watt, Houston, Julio, Calvin, AP.....guys like that

 

Outside of Julio...how many wins do those transcendent players TEAMS have this season?

I wouldn't even let Gus run the souvenir stand. Make his ticket to London one way and leave this doofus across the pond.

Quote:Why did you even write all of that?  Simply could have said I don't like Gus and Dave.  Instead, Dave Caldwell isn't any good because his hair is slicked back.

 

There's some truth to it though. I don't think anyone will argue that Dave and Gus are both great speakers who are good at "selling" things. So far, the record has shown otherwise. IMO, they came together, they get fired together if they don't turn this around. If we're going to hit a "reset" button (which firing Gus will), we might as well do it right. We fire Gus, the new HC brings his own guys and lets go of most of the current staff and our guys have to learn new systems.

 

Then next year when the team struggles,we're back to the same "excuses": new system, changes, chemistry, things have to gel, etc.

 

Then we once again wonder...is it the HC again? Or do we not have enough talent? You can't fire the HC, but you can't fire the GM because if you fire the GM, then the new GM will want a new HC.

Quote:There's some truth to it though. I don't think anyone will argue that Dave and Gus are both great speakers who are good at "selling" things. So far, the record has shown otherwise. IMO, they came together, they get fired together if they don't turn this around. If we're going to hit a "reset" button (which firing Gus will), we might as well do it right. We fire Gus, the new HC brings his own guys and lets go of most of the current staff and our guys have to learn new systems.


Then next year when the team struggles,we're back to the same "excuses": new system, changes, chemistry, things have to gel, etc.


Then we once again wonder...is it the HC again? Or do we not have enough talent? You can't fire the HC, but you can't fire the GM because if you fire the GM, then the new GM will want a new HC.

Gus isn't that great of a speaker. He just yells as many motivational clichés as he can until somebody asks the next question. He's like a salesman for a shady pyramid company. "I make $1 million a month selling kirby vacuums man! If you compete and demonstrate your spirit man, i bet you could make $2 million man!! Yea!!!!!!"

Quote:There's some truth to it though. I don't think anyone will argue that Dave and Gus are both great speakers who are good at "selling" things. So far, the record has shown otherwise. IMO, they came together, they get fired together if they don't turn this around. If we're going to hit a "reset" button (which firing Gus will), we might as well do it right. We fire Gus, the new HC brings his own guys and lets go of most of the current staff and our guys have to learn new systems.

 

Then next year when the team struggles,we're back to the same "excuses": new system, changes, chemistry, things have to gel, etc.

 

Then we once again wonder...is it the HC again? Or do we not have enough talent? You can't fire the HC, but you can't fire the GM because if you fire the GM, then the new GM will want a new HC.

 

There is truth in criticizing what they have done, but not their hair.. though I'm sure it was tongue and cheek.  The Gus red bull line was actually funny.

 

Anyways, there can be an argument for keeping Caldwell.  The things I like about Caldwell is his plan and strong belief in it, honesty with the fan base and overall, has done a good job drafting.  What I haven't liked is his free agent choices (at the time or seeing the actual results) and letting key pieces go that could have bridged the gap.  He wanted to go young, but he even admitted that he should have kept more veterans.  We let some players go who could play really well on Sunday, but may have also brought the youth along.

Quote:Gus isn't that great of a speaker. He just yells as many motivational clichés as he can until somebody asks the next question. He's like a salesman for a shady pyramid company. "I make $1 million a month selling kirby vacuums man! If you compete and demonstrate your spirit man, i bet you could make $2 million man!! Yea!!!!!!"

You obviously haven't sat in any of Gus' "pitch".

 

There's plenty of criticisms that can be thrown at Gus (clock management, timeouts, challenges, maaaybe game planning), but public speaking?

 

David Caldwell commands a room and knows how to direct the crowd/reporters. This is obvious from every single one of his press conferences. But even he, in scheduled "pitches" takes a back seat to Gus.

 

Gus is THAT good in that aspect. Anyone who has sat down on one of those will attest to it.

Quote:There is truth in criticizing what they have done, but not their hair.. though I'm sure it was tongue and cheek.  The Gus red bull line was actually funny.

 

Anyways, there can be an argument for keeping Caldwell.  The things I like about Caldwell is his plan and strong belief in it, honesty with the fan base and overall, has done a good job drafting.  What I haven't liked is his free agent choices (at the time or seeing the actual results) and letting key pieces go that could have bridged the gap.  He wanted to go young, but he even admitted that he should have kept more veterans.  We let some players go who could play really well on Sunday, but may have also brought the youth along.

 If sticking to the plan and strong belief in it is enough to keep Caldwell, then why not Gus?  I'm personally not too high on DC. He has had some late-round hits, but the top has had some questionable ones. I know that a GM won't hit every pick, but IMO he's as much responsible for the first two years of mess that happened...a fact he even admits (which you cited).

 

But like I said, to me, if you keep DC, then you better KNOW he's the guy. That if you bring in a new coach, that you know he'll pick the right candidate this time. That one-two years down the road, if you're Shad, you're not staring at another possible rebuild wondering "is it the HC or is it the GM?"

 

Keep DC, ok. But you better be sure of it. Right now, I don't think he's in the "I'm sure of him" threshold

 

Quote:Why did you even write all of that?  Simply could have said I don't like Gus and Dave.  Instead, Dave Caldwell isn't any good because his hair is slicked back.

It is the internet sporto, you don't have to read anything over 2 sentences if you so desire. You can even skip a post completely, imagine that.

If a couple of paragraphs is too much, why even read it and comment on it? SKIP IT!

 

I wrote what I wrote to say Khan was buffalo'd by their appearance and demeanor and he may want to hire an old timer, a consultant that has done this game a while.

What you wrote telling me what I think is completely wrong. I never said Dave was a poor GM because he slicks back his hair.

If that is what you got from a couple of simple paragraphs, I can see why you would be baffled, you have the reading comprehension of a gnat.

Quote: If sticking to the plan and strong belief in it is enough to keep Caldwell, then why not Gus?  I'm personally not too high on DC. He has had some late-round hits, but the top has had some questionable ones. I know that a GM won't hit every pick, but IMO he's as much responsible for the first two years of mess that happened...a fact he even admits (which you cited).

 

But like I said, to me, if you keep DC, then you better KNOW he's the guy. That if you bring in a new coach, that you know he'll pick the right candidate this time. That one-two years down the road, if you're Shad, you're not staring at another possible rebuild wondering "is it the HC or is it the GM?"

 

Keep DC, ok. But you better be sure of it. Right now, I don't think he's in the "I'm sure of him" threshold

 

 

Fair point.  I just personally like how Caldwell does things and think he is still growing as a GM.  He has made mistakes and refreshingly admitted to them.  At the same time that doesn't mean we should keep him because he is honest.  He hired Gus so if Gus goes then that is on him.  I think we keep Caldwell even if Gus goes, but if we don't then all we can do is hope we make the right decision the next time.

Quote:It is the internet sporto, you don't have to read anything over 2 sentences if you so desire. You can even skip a post completely, imagine that.

If a couple of paragraphs is too much, why even read it and comment on it? SKIP IT!

 

I wrote what I wrote to say Khan was buffalo'd by their appearance and demeanor and he may want to hire an old timer, a consultant that has done this game a while.

What you wrote telling me what I think is completely wrong. I never said Dave was a poor GM because he slicks back his hair.

If that is what you got from a couple of simple paragraphs, I can see why you would be baffled, you have the reading comprehension of a gnat.

 

I read what you wrote. 

 

"The GM was hired because he can slick back his hair, put on a suit and look like a yuppie Billy Donavan".  Well if he was only hired because of his hair, one can only assume he isn't going to be a very good GM.  I can only comprehend what you write, though as I said earlier, I'm sure it was tongue and cheek.  A gnat?  Ouch!

Quote:What you wrote telling me what I think is completely wrong. I never said Dave was a poor GM because he slicks back his hair.

If that is what you got from a couple of simple paragraphs, I can see why you would be baffled, you have the reading comprehension of a gnat.

 I mentioned this in another thread, with Khan "over correcting", which happens frequently in the NFL. I cited that we went with a very veteran heavy staff under Mularkey, and it became a problem of too many chefs in the kitchen. So what do we do? We go very young with the new GM, new HC, staff, and even our players.

 

But there's also another possible over-correction: Gene Smith and Mularkey are two of the dullest personalities you'll even find in the NFL circles. I don't think its quite a reach to say that Shad didn't like that and swung too far to the other side with the strong personalities of Dave and Gus