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Caldwell's job is safe. Gus will be gone and I think our organization will go after someone with prior HC experience.

 

I think Khan will be in a more "win now" mentality after the new hire - and rightfully so.

 

Caldwell has gutted the roster, built another one with a bunch of young players who will be used as the foundation for the next HC.

 

Let's hop Dave can hit a home run in the next draft and F/A...

Quote: If sticking to the plan and strong belief in it is enough to keep Caldwell, then why not Gus?  I'm personally not too high on DC. He has had some late-round hits, but the top has had some questionable ones. I know that a GM won't hit every pick, but IMO he's as much responsible for the first two years of mess that happened...a fact he even admits (which you cited).

 

But like I said, to me, if you keep DC, then you better KNOW he's the guy. That if you bring in a new coach, that you know he'll pick the right candidate this time. That one-two years down the road, if you're Shad, you're not staring at another possible rebuild wondering "is it the HC or is it the GM?"

 

Keep DC, ok. But you better be sure of it. Right now, I don't think he's in the "I'm sure of him" threshold

 
 

BB5 looks like a hit...  So does AR15 who was a second rounder...  Yeldon is a 2nd rounder that looks legit too...  Cyp had a bad game, but he contributes.  Joeckel has actually stopped the bleeding and is becoming solid...

 

The guy got a 6th rounder for Gabbert and a 6th rounder for a washed up Scobee...  I'm sorry, but the GM is doing a pretty darn good job...

 

Beadles had a garbage game today and Gerhart sucks...  But don't act as though we aren't getting some players that are gonna be really good in this league...
What I like about Caldwell is that while he isn't perfect and he's had his struggles...he seems to be learning and getting better.

 

He's adding a nice influx of talent but I am firmly of the belief that they are receiving poor coaching.

 

Gus isn't going to get the job done.  It was apparent last year and it's apparent this year.  Hell, I'd argue it was apparent year one but he gets a pass in his first year.  

Quote:BB5 looks like a hit...  So does AR15 who was a second rounder...  Yeldon is a 2nd rounder that looks legit too...  Cyp had a bad game, but he contributes.  Joeckel has actually stopped the bleeding and is becoming solid...

 

The guy got a 6th rounder for Gabbert and a 6th rounder for a washed up Scobee...  I'm sorry, but the GM is doing a pretty darn good job...

 

Beadles had a garbage game today and Gerhart sucks...  But don't act as though we aren't getting some players that are gonna be really good in this league...
 

You can't just point to two or three guys and go "See, GM is doing a fine job!"

 

Dave has overturned this roster. Over 90% of this roster is "Dave's guy". If after sifting through 90% of this roster all you have is Blake, ARob, and Hurns...then I'm sorry but you're GM isn't doing a good enough job.

 

No one is questioning that Dave has brought in good players. Even Gene Smith was able to draft a few good players.The problem is he doesn't have an elite player (closest is Marks who is hurt, same with JT who is just now getting back int he field).

 

Fortunately for Dave, it looks like he hit on the QB. If there is one thing that can save a Gm's job, its his pick of QB. If Blake continues to throw for 300 yards and 2-3 TDs the rest of the way then he'll have a good argument to be kept. That said, and perhaps its the Jaguars fan in me...but the Bucs has a terrible defense and got 6 sacks on this offense. The Colts bad defense held this offense to 13 points a week ago. It will take more than just this game for me to believe that this offense has turned things around for good...though it certainly looks promising (especially if they don't shoot themselves in the foot with penalties)
Quote:You can't just point to two or three guys and go "See, GM is doing a fine job!"

 

Dave has overturned this roster. Over 90% of this roster is "Dave's guy". If after sifting through 90% of this roster all you have is Blake, ARob, and Hurns...then I'm sorry but you're GM isn't doing a good enough job.

 

No one is questioning that Dave has brought in good players. Even Gene Smith was able to draft a few good players.The problem is he doesn't have an elite player (closest is Marks who is hurt, same with JT who is just now getting back int he field).

 

Fortunately for Dave, it looks like he hit on the QB. If there is one thing that can save a Gm's job, its his pick of QB. If Blake continues to throw for 300 yards and 2-3 TDs the rest of the way then he'll have a good argument to be kept. That said, and perhaps its the Jaguars fan in me...but the Bucs has a terrible defense and got 6 sacks on this offense. The Colts bad defense held this offense to 13 points a week ago. It will take more than just this game for me to believe that this offense has turned things around for good...though it certainly looks promising (especially if they don't shoot themselves in the foot with penalties)
 

 

Speedy, you said in the post I quoted from you that DC had some late round hits and that's it...

 

 

Caldwell has done more than just bring in the guys I mentioned...  But I was specifically responding to the fact that you are only saying he's hitting on late rounders... I'm showing you that he's hitting on 1st and 2nd rounders too...

 

Cann started today...  That dude was another player that's contributing...  All the guys are contributing, but it's the coaching that's holding the team back...  I'm 91% sure of it...  Yes, there's about a 9% chance that the talent is weaker than I am evaluating them to be...  But I don't think so.  We have more talent than 3 of the 5 teams we played.  And we're neck and neck with the Panthers...  The only team that over powered us was the cheaters...

 

When I see a team that should be 3-2 at the worst, and potentially, 4-1, I see a team that is being built properly, but is not being prepared and coached properly...

 

Even on D...  Yeah, we got smoked today...  But dude, when a 4 man rush and cover 3 aint working, you gotta scheme more.  You gotta confuse the rookie QB with disquising the coverage and bringing extra guys.  We just didn't do that consistently...  In my mind... The talent is there.

 

Caldwell has hit on early, mid, and late round picks...  Caldwell has hit on some of his FAs as well...  

 

He's not perfect, but you don't fire a GM for not being perfect.  You fire a GM is you feel the talent is not being acquired.  Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me we are not acquiring talent?

I HATE the continuity excuse.

 

This is Blakes first 5 games in the offense. He seems to be doing just fine right? I'm sure it wouldn't take him long to pick up another playbook either. Not to mention, a good HC will take the good things he is seeing from Blake and put it into their playbook.

 

Bring in Hue Jackson. Making Andy Dalton look like a SB QB is no easy task.
Quote:Speedy, you said in the post I quoted from you that DC had some late round hits and that's it...

 

 

Caldwell has done more than just bring in the guys I mentioned...  But I was specifically responding to the fact that you are only saying he's hitting on late rounders... I'm showing you that he's hitting on 1st and 2nd rounders too...

 

Cann started today...  That dude was another player that's contributing...  All the guys are contributing, but it's the coaching that's holding the team back...  I'm 91% sure of it...  Yes, there's about a 9% chance that the talent is weaker than I am evaluating them to be...  But I don't think so.  We have more talent than 3 of the 5 teams we played.  And we're neck and neck with the Panthers...  The only team that over powered us was the cheaters...

 

When I see a team that should be 3-2 at the worst, and potentially, 4-1, I see a team that is being built properly, but is not being prepared and coached properly...

 

Even on D...  Yeah, we got smoked today...  But dude, when a 4 man rush and cover 3 aint working, you gotta scheme more.  You gotta confuse the rookie QB with disquising the coverage and bringing extra guys.  We just didn't do that consistently...  In my mind... The talent is there.

 

Caldwell has hit on early, mid, and late round picks...  Caldwell has hit on some of his FAs as well...  

 

He's not perfect, but you don't fire a GM for not being perfect.  You fire a GM is you feel the talent is not being acquired.  Are you honestly going to sit there and tell me we are not acquiring talent?
 

And I go back to the previous game...how can you be sure that our talent is superior to the Bucs and the Colts?

 

Go watch Martin and Sims vs. our defense. they looked quick and elusive. That burst by Sims in that screen play? Got one block and then boom gone. Martin shredded our defense. Their DLine destroyed our OL, mostly through blitzes. Meanwhile, our DL was getting pushed back off the LOS and our LBs can't set the edge and get off blocks. Poor coaching? Sorry, but when you get manhandled like our front 7 did this game, that's on the players. You can scheme all you want, but if the players aren't winning their one-on-one match-ups, then it doesn't matter.

 

And contributing? You seem to have a high expectation on Gus yet low expectation on Caldwell. Cann contributed to a running game that Yeldon had to dance so much in the backfield just to get his measly 3+ ypc average and "contributed" to 6 sacks. Yay.

 

Is there talent there? Yeah, I never said that. But there's still not enough. I'll give you Bortles and Allens, who seem to be developing chemistry on the passing game. Telvin showed real promise as a rookie, but with higher expectations he's being exposed more this season. Cyp had his typical Cyp game.

 

A lot of people seem to love the job that DC is doing. So here's my scenario: we fire Gus and DC at the end of year. Who do you think the next GM retains for sure? As the core of the team?

 

Based on play/production: Bortles, Hurns, Robinson, Linder, House, Julius (i'm projecting here obviously, since he's only played 20 some snaps, but I feel he'll get there). Who else? I really can't think of anyone else that a brand new GM would consider "core" of the franchise. Now, don't get me wrong, there are others who will be retained, but not for the reason these guys above will. Those guys will be retained due to their contracts (Odrick) or draft status (Lee)

 

There was a thread before the season started, I can't remember the name of it, but I believe it was created by Bullseye, which he asked what the overall state of the talent on the team was. My opinion then was we have TONS of potential, very little production.

 

So far, Bortles, Hurns, Robinson seem to be fulfilling theirs. The other young guys in that "potential" list however? Not so much. And you can throw our free-agent signings there too

FIRE GUS NOW. Dave thats up to Kahn but I can see giving him one more coach cuz some of the players hes drafted has hit

Bradley is gone. The only question now is when it will happen.

 

DC is staying.

 

Hue Jackson comes in.

Man look at what Hue Jackson is doing with Andy Dalton. I'd probably take him as HC to be honest

Quote:Man look at what Hue Jackson is doing with Andy Dalton. I'd probably take him as HC to be honest
Hue also did well in Oakland before getting the unexpected axe.

 

8-8 in 2011.
Quote:Hue also did well in Oakland before getting the unexpected axe.

 

8-8 in 2011.
And ifu can do 8-8 with those mediocre teams imagine with a real qb~!
From what I remember, Hue Jackson was an Al Davis guy. When Al died, a GM was hired and Jackson got fired.

 

What he is doing in Cincinnati is very impressive. He will likely be the top head coaching target this offseason.

Quote:From what I remember, Hue Jackson was an Al Davis guy. When Al died, a GM was hired and Jackson got fired.

 

What he is doing in Cincinnati is very impressive. He will likely be the top head coaching target this offseason.
He's learned from Marvin Lewis and John Harbaugh. He did well in his only coaching stint. His offenses have done well just about everywhere he has been.

 

You're right that he got fired when McKenzie took over as the new GM.
Quote:I know I am in the minority on this. I want to keep both Gus and Dave. I know the frustration among the people. But here is why I want to keep Gus and Dave

 

 
 

I actually joke around but I do want to keep them for at least another year.
Quote:I actually joke around but I do want to keep them for at least another year.
Dave, yes. Bradley, no.

 

Bradley has shown nothing.
Quote:Dude, you're falling off rails on a crazy train...


Allen Hurns is 7th in the league in Yards...

AR15 is 9th in the league in Yards...

AR15 IS TIED WITH GRONK AND JULIO JONES for 4th in TDs...

Telvin Smith is 2nd in tackles...

BB5 is 6th in Yards. BB5 is tied for 3rd in TDs AHEAD OF TOM BRADY...
Not saying that the offensive numbers aren't good,, But:


You really have to take into account that quite a few teams have had bye weeks to this point (Brady and Gronk as an example).


Offensive skill player numbers (QB, WRs, RBs) will naturally rank higher as the Jags have played an extra game compared to other teams.


True rankings/positions will be alot more true after each team has had their bye.


Patriots

Jets

Dolphins

Tennessee

Minnesota

Carolina


All those have played 1 fewer game to this point (not counting Steelers and Chargers who have yet to play until tonight).
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