Quote:I don't know how to answer a made up stat because Toby doesn't get hit in the backfield every time he runs the ball.
Our backs across the board are getting hit too many times in the backfield. This isn't something unique to Toby.
Probably every coach in the league would have put their #2 RB in the game right after their #1 RB just had a 38 yrd run in OT and would be pretty winded. That is normal protocol after a player runs for a big gain.
I mean Toby is a bust and a 3 yard average as a Jag. If you want to call it a good play call be my guest. Also I didnt say why "What coach would run their #2 back" I said which coach would run Toby. The answer is none.
Truth is you're pleased with the team and with Gus and think Toby is a hall of famer
Quote:I mean Toby is a bust and a 3 yard average as a Jag. If you want to call it a good play call be my guest. Also I didnt say why "What coach would run their #2 back" I said which coach would run Toby. The answer is none.
Truth is you're pleased with the team and with Gus and
think Toby is a hall of famer
Toby is our #2 back and if he were the #2 back on any other team, he would have been on the field in that same situation.
That play not working had absolutely nothing to do with Toby.
And just because I have enough understanding of the game and how teams typically react in certain situations, doesn't mean I am pleased with the team and Gus. It just means I'm not going to overreact to a single play call that was actually a decent call in the situation that was poorly executed.
If you want to be critical of the coaches for the players not being prepared to properly execute in that situation then that would be fair criticism, but there was nothing wrong with the play call itself.
Quote:Toby is our #2 back and if he were the #2 back on any other team, he would have been on the field in that same situation.
That play not working had absolutely nothing to do with Toby.
And just because I have enough understanding of the game and how teams typically react in certain situations, doesn't mean I am pleased with the team and Gus. It just means I'm not going to overreact to a single play call that was actually a decent call in the situation that was poorly executed.
If you want to be critical of the coaches for the players not being prepared to properly execute in that situation then that would be fair criticism, but there was nothing wrong with the play call itself.
I think Gerhart should've been in for a few more plays, if for his superior pass pro than anything else.
Quote:I think Gerhart should've been in for a few more plays, if for his superior pass pro than anything else.
The actual atypical thing was that we didn't see more of Gerhart or any other RB other then Yeldon in the game.
Quote:The actual atypical thing was that we didn't see more of Gerhart or any other RB other then Yeldon in the game.
I'm not down on Yeldon at all, but there's 2 other guys there who do different things that might've been beneficial. I'm still dying to see Grant get a screen lined up.
Quote:Toby is our #2 back and if he were the #2 back on any other team, he would have been on the field in that same situation.
That play not working had absolutely nothing to do with Toby.
And just because I have enough understanding of the game and how teams typically react in certain situations, doesn't mean I am pleased with the team and Gus. It just means I'm not going to overreact to a single play call that was actually a decent call in the situation that was poorly executed.
If you want to be critical of the coaches for the players not being prepared to properly execute in that situation then that would be fair criticism, but there was nothing wrong with the play call itself.
There was nothing wrong with the play call itself...except it didnt work. Like the bulk of Tobys runs. And with your great understanding of the game maybe you can explain to me, since I have no understanding of the game, why you run out our "#2" RB who has had 3 carries all year who has also been hurt all year and hasn't had a touch all game...why run him out on arguably one of the biggest plays of the game when he has cold legs? Because Yeldon was "gassed?" Then call a timeout. You have also had 4 straight quarters and 4 straight games of failure running it off center so why do it with a RB who is notorious for short runs as a Jaguar? The play was doomed from the start and even you with all your knowledge of how teams react in certain situations should have been able to see that.
Also please post your credentials on said knowledge. Where did you get all this experience? What position did you play in high school and college? How come you are no longer coaching? Or if you've just watched football for years please say how many! A photocopy of the notes you've taken over the seasons would be great! I am just looking to get a better understanding of how teams act in certain situations so any help you could give would be awesome! Thanks buddy!
Jumping in here... worst play of the game was Telvin Smith getting torched by a TE twice.
I don't even care about the missed kicks. It should have never even come to that.
That certainly wasn't groovy either
When I said that we should trade and try to get something for him, you guys said i was dumb and everything. What happened? lol
Quote:There was nothing wrong with the play call itself...except it didnt work. Like the bulk of Tobys runs. And with your great understanding of the game maybe you can explain to me, since I have no understanding of the game, why you run out our "#2" RB who has had 3 carries all year who has also been hurt all year and hasn't had a touch all game...why run him out on arguably one of the biggest plays of the game when he has cold legs? Because Yeldon was "gassed?" Then call a timeout. You have also had 4 straight quarters and 4 straight games of failure running it off center so why do it with a RB who is notorious for short runs as a Jaguar? The play was doomed from the start and even you with all your knowledge of how teams react in certain situations should have been able to see that.
Also please post your credentials on said knowledge. Where did you get all this experience? What position did you play in high school and college? How come you are no longer coaching? Or if you've just watched football for years please say how many! A photocopy of the notes you've taken over the seasons would be great! I am just looking to get a better understanding of how teams act in certain situations so any help you could give would be awesome! Thanks buddy!
You are right. It didn't work. They should have called a pass play like the next two plays that went incomplete because obviously, that was bound to work.
Yes, I have actually played the game so I know how players feel late in the game after a big play. And I have also watched plenty of games and apparently, unlike you, paid attention to what is going on because if you had paid attention, you would know that almost every single time a player has a big run, he is replaced by in order to give him a breather. You would also have noticed that often times <gasp> they actually call a play for said back up with the fresh legs.
Call a time out to give your RB a break after a long run? Brilliant! Let's give those 300 lb defensive linemen who just had to sprint down field late in a game a chance to catch their breath too. I mean how dare the jags put in a fresh RB and go straight at them. That could possibly give the offense an unfair advantage over those poor defensive linemen.
Oh yeah, BTW where are your credentials? You are the one calling the coaches out. Obviously you must be more qualified than they are to realize their errors and know how they should have responded and what kind of response would have guaranteed a successful play.
Quote:When I said that we should trade and try to get something for him, you guys said i was dumb and everything. What happened? lol
I haven't been a fan of Gerhart since he got here
Quote:Jumping in here... worst play of the game was Telvin Smith getting torched by a TE twice.
I don't even care about the missed kicks. It should have never even come to that.
Really hit me hard when I saw that. I don't get how you get burned that bad -- especially when you know they're going to air it out to get in FG range.
Quote:STOP RUNNING IN THE MIDDLE, YOU [BAD WORD REMOVED] !!!
you do realize the yeldons run was up the middle. SMH
Quote:The Toby Gerhart run call
Agreed, why didnt they let Grant run instead they called him to block ... OC Olson should be fired.
Quote:I haven't been a fan of Gerhart since he got here
Not u per say but i got called out something decent when i said it. And not one of those dummies will own up to it.
Honestly, I wouldve rather had Pierce take the carry there, or Corey Grant. on 1st and 10 you don't go to a "situational" RB. I'm not saying Pierce should be the starter but when he's in good things happen more often than Toby getting stuffed for negative yards on 1st and 10 and absolutely killing the momentum of that Drive. Also You just rattled off a 30+ Yard run, leave Yeldon in and go play action that is absolutely the time to try it as they have to respect it after Yeldon just got that huge chunk play. IMO runningbacks by committee are good in theory but often telegraph your intention based on the backs skillset. When Toby went in, I pretty much knew he was getting the ball. The same with Denard Robinson in his rookie year when he was the "Offensive Weapon (OW)" whenever he checked in you knew he was going to touch the ball so you keyed him. Changing personnel is fine but I feel like they're too predictable.
Quote:Honestly, I wouldve rather had Pierce take the carry there, or Corey Grant. on 1st and 10 you don't go to a "situational" RB. I'm not saying Pierce should be the starter but when he's in good things happen more often than Toby getting stuffed for negative yards on 1st and 10 and absolutely killing the momentum of that Drive. Also You just rattled off a 30+ Yard run, leave Yeldon in and go play action that is absolutely the time to try it as they have to respect it after Yeldon just got that huge chunk play. IMO runningbacks by committee are good in theory but often telegraph your intention based on the backs skillset. When Toby went in, I pretty much knew he was getting the ball. The same with Denard Robinson in his rookie year when he was the "Offensive Weapon (OW)" whenever he checked in you knew he was going to touch the ball so you keyed him. Changing personnel is fine but I feel like they're too predictable.
This is exactly right IMO. The issue with Pierce was that he missed a block earlier that nearly got Bortles killed.
Quote:You are right. It didn't work. They should have called a pass play like the next two plays that went incomplete because obviously, that was bound to work.
Yes, I have actually played the game so I know how players feel late in the game after a big play. And I have also watched plenty of games and apparently, unlike you, paid attention to what is going on because if you had paid attention, you would know that almost every single time a player has a big run, he is replaced by in order to give him a breather. You would also have noticed that often times <gasp> they actually call a play for said back up with the fresh legs.
Call a time out to give your RB a break after a long run? Brilliant! Let's give those 300 lb defensive linemen who just had to sprint down field late in a game a chance to catch their breath too. I mean how dare the jags put in a fresh RB and go straight at them. That could possibly give the offense an unfair advantage over those poor defensive linemen.
Oh yeah, BTW where are your credentials? You are the one calling the coaches out. Obviously you must be more qualified than they are to realize their errors and know how they should have responded and what kind of response would have guaranteed a successful play.
Your reading comprehension is garbage. I mean it really, really is. Not once did I say they should have avoided a run play. Not once. Not once did I say they should have passed the ball the instead. Not once. I said they should not have run Toby. Run Pierce, run Grant, run Blake.
I also have played the game, and I also pay attention...want to know what I see? A running back who hits the hole slowly and, more often then not, gets nothing out of his run. Toby is great on dump offs, not so great in running it up the middle, which for four straight games the team has gotten nothing out of. If you are so perceptive how come you dont see that?
And I didnt say they should have called a timeout either. What my sentences mean is that every other option on the team, including a timeout, should be the play before running Toby. Because he is terrible. Seems like most fans agree listening to the post game show and reading message boards and listening to what these radio hosts have to say.
And I dont need to post my credentials. You're the one going on and on about how you have all this knowledge about what NFL teams and players are feeling.
This is a stupid argument. You and maybe a few others like the play, the rest of us dont /thread
Quote:Your reading comprehension is garbage. I mean it really, really is. Not once did I say they should have avoided a run play. Not once. Not once did I say they should have passed the ball the instead. Not once. I said they should not have run Toby. Run Pierce, run Grant, run Blake.
I also have played the game, and I also pay attention...want to know what I see? A running back who hits the hole slowly and, more often then not, gets nothing out of his run. Toby is great on dump offs, not so great in running it up the middle, which for four straight games the team has gotten nothing out of. If you are so perceptive how come you dont see that?
And I didnt say they should have called a timeout either. What my sentences mean is that every other option on the team, including a timeout, should be the play before running Toby. Because he is terrible. Seems like most fans agree listening to the post game show and reading message boards and listening to what these radio hosts have to say.
And I dont need to post my credentials. You're the one going on and on about how you have all this knowledge about what NFL teams and players are feeling.
Toby is the #2 RB on this team right now. What part of that do you not understand?
Also what part of the oline allowing the play to get blown up in the backfield do you not get?
Replace Toby with another back up runner and you are getting the same results when the line misses their blocks.
This isn't rocket science. I don't understand why these concepts keep going over your head.