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He has improved on pocket awareness. He isn't just running,is not scared like Gabbert, and he seems to feel pressure to step one way or the other. He can fire a rocket and split defenders, and he can throw it high over the middle for our receivers to go up for or a fast slant. He does that well. Two things are still concerning and one was mentioned in the article,

1 his deep throws, anything with an arc and he tends to overthrow. We see him wind up and everyone holds their breath. Not sure if he is just super paranoid about interceptions or what but he isn't hitting guys in stride on long bombs.

2. He also has a problem in the red zone. another hold your breath time, probably half this board tightens up when we get to the 20.  It doesn't seem like he can read through heavy traffic well to hit a man standing on the goal line where only we can catch it low,  and he can't seem to consistently hit that tiny back corner of the end zone. It sails on him.

 

Then we bring on the field goal unit once again.., I think it can be worked on, but it would seem he would have done the mental calc in his head for his receivers speed on long bombs, and still he overthrows them by a couple of yards and it's a little concerning at this point.

Quote:Greg Gabriel and I emailed each other back and forth 28 times before the draft telling me Bortles was a bust. I told him him would be a Top 5 QB. Gabriel offered me $5,000 bet that he would be a bust. I didn't accept. He was getting nasty in the emails and cursing at me....like he does to people at twitter. There is a reason he's not in the league anymore. Bortles is a stud.

 

All I need to know about Greg Gabriel is that he worked in the Chicago Front Office for a long time.

Has a Big Ben build in the earlier years with a Bret Favre style to me. He's gonna make plenty of bone head turnovers but do some magical [BLEEP] often. Just gotta live and die with his play but more times than not he's gonna come thru. I root for UCF football and they suck now but this guy was the reason they went on good runs in his two years there. He just needs a coach to assist him in winning and push him like O'Leary did. Hell hire O'Leary.

Quote:I've said it before and I say it again.... You don't draft a quarterback in the top 10 if you don't think he's even good enough to beat out CHAD FREAKING HENNE. That was a huge red flag for me.


We've talked about wonky mechanics with a certain other mobile quarterback who has been cut time and time again.... ahem tebow....


I tried to make the comparison before, and people didn't want to buy it. Blake Bortles is a right handed tebow. Wonky mechanics hurt his arm strength and accuracy, and, like tebow, he will probably never fix them. It's just so damn hard to forget what you've been doing your entire life and try a new way.


Again, sometimes you just have to use the eye test. Does a guy look good throwing the ball, and does he throw it accurately consistently. Blake doesn't check either of those boxes.

Does the eye test still apply?


His mechanics have improved and so has almost everyone of his stats. His deep ball has been pretty good and just off on a couple of throws. His decision making has looked better as the season has gone on. And he is doing so with lots of pressure and little time to throw. Not to mention his best TE being out which essentially has made our TE position a non threat with Lewis. Did I mention we have no running game because of the olines play? A lot going against Bortles. I think he deserves some credit at this point.


He is still learning and even with that very good performance he left plays on the field. If he just makes a few better reads we are talking about a monster game. That's what is in front of him. Making better reads and decisions with the ball can greatly improve his QB play. That is encouraging since he has improved in the arena up to this point. Hopefully he will continue.

One thing I love about the jungle are all the awesome nick names we come up with for our stars...


We got:

Burns

AR15

Albino Tiger

Toby has a bunch, my favorite being Albino Rhino

And now the coup de gras: Right-Handed Tebow


It's gold!

Quote:He has improved on pocket awareness. He isn't just running,is not scared like Gabbert, and he seems to feel pressure to step one way or the other. He can fire a rocket and split defenders, and he can throw it high over the middle for our receivers to go up for or a fast slant. He does that well. Two things are still concerning and one was mentioned in the article,

1 his deep throws, anything with an arc and he tends to overthrow. We see him wind up and everyone holds their breath. Not sure if he is just super paranoid about interceptions or what but he isn't hitting guys in stride on long bombs.

2. He also has a problem in the red zone. another hold your breath time, probably half this board tightens up when we get to the 20.  It doesn't seem like he can read through heavy traffic well to hit a man standing on the goal line where only we can catch it low,  and he can't seem to consistently hit that tiny back corner of the end zone. It sails on him.

 

Then we bring on the field goal unit once again.., I think it can be worked on, but it would seem he would have done the mental calc in his head for his receivers speed on long bombs, and still he overthrows them by a couple of yards and it's a little concerning at this point.

 

 

On your two concerns...


 

1. Now Gabbert would always overthrow his deep passes, but I haven't really noticed that from Blake. I've noticed them not having perfect accuracy to hit guys in stride, but he puts enough arc and touch on his deep passes for guys to get underneath them and at least make the catch.


 

2. The presence of Julius Thomas should make things much easier in the red zone.

Quote:I feel like he's going to improve tremdously as the talent around him improves. What might separate him from the truly elite guys is his arm, but there's room for him to improve there possibly with one more offseason like he had this year. What encourages me is everything else. As a tall, durable qb who can stand in the pocket he's able to go through his progressions and properly diagnose what's happening downfield. He's also got the pocket presence and feel for pressure that top qbs possess with the ability to get out of the pocket and throw on the run or take off as needed. Really it's just a matter of him nailing his throws, and we saw his potential to do just that in the preseason.


 

I feel like it's just a matter of him perfecting his game, but he's got all the intangibles that a great qb needs. He many never be Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning in his prime, but that's what they once said about Tom Brady. He may not even reach the level of a Rivers or Ryan, and might always trail in the shadow of guys like Newton, Luck and Wilson, but I do think he has it in him to be the next Flacco, Romo or Palmer. I'm convinced he'll surpass the likes of Dalton, Kaepernick and Alex Smith in short order.


 

If I had to put a ceiling on how good he could be, I'd look at Big Ben. They really are very similar in stature.

Okay I generally agree with the idea behind this point but I have a few quibbles. 1. Andy Dalton is the best QB from 2011, yes even better than Cam Newton. He is no where near Kaepernick or Smith, neither of them have ever thrown as well as he has (especially this season, go look at his stats). 2. Flacco doesn't belong with Romo and Palmer, both of them are quite a bit better than him (except at winning playoff games). 3. Wilson isn't that great a QB, I know he got paid like one, but he isn't.

 

Also Bortles reminds me of Luck more than Big Ben. Either way I agree about Luck/Big Ben being the ceiling.

Quote:On your two concerns...


 

1. Now Gabbert would always overthrow his deep passes, but I haven't really noticed that from Blake. I've noticed them not having perfect accuracy to hit guys in stride, but he puts enough arc and touch on his deep passes for guys to get underneath them and at least make the catch.


 

2. The presence of Julius Thomas should make things much easier in the red zone.

There's been a lot of deep balls that if Arob would have just kept running would have hit him in stride but he keeps misjudging the ball and either tries to highpoint a ball he doesn't have to or in the last game attempts to make a leaping catch when he could have just kept running..

I swear I just saw somewhere that BB leads the league on deep passes.

Lol t McCarron, Fales, and Smith before Bortles. That's why this guy is writing articles and not working in a front office somewhere.

Quote:that garbage was printed in January of 2014 .

Glad I didn't waste my time clicking.

Bortles wouldn't have been made it out of the 1st RD. Despite how "raw" he is or was makes no matter. His determination in the off-season to improve his mechanics and fundamentals in California was enough to convince me he's serious about his job. His work is paying off. Hurns and Robinson looks good this year as a duo but it's Bortles dropping back, buying time and delivering those passes to them.

Quote:He has improved on pocket awareness. He isn't just running,is not scared like Gabbert, and he seems to feel pressure to step one way or the other. He can fire a rocket and split defenders, and he can throw it high over the middle for our receivers to go up for or a fast slant. He does that well. Two things are still concerning and one was mentioned in the article,

1 his deep throws, anything with an arc and he tends to overthrow. We see him wind up and everyone holds their breath. Not sure if he is just super paranoid about interceptions or what but he isn't hitting guys in stride on long bombs.

 

2. He also has a problem in the red zone. another hold your breath time, probably half this board tightens up when we get to the 20.  It doesn't seem like he can read through heavy traffic well to hit a man standing on the goal line where only we can catch it low,  and he can't seem to consistently hit that tiny back corner of the end zone. It sails on him.

 

Then we bring on the field goal unit once again.., I think it can be worked on, but it would seem he would have done the mental calc in his head for his receivers speed on long bombs, and still he overthrows them by a couple of yards and it's a little concerning at this point.

 

Well we just  saw #2 bite us once again before the half with the texans and it resulted in an interception. He cannot spot an uncovered receiver squatting down on the goal line. Bortles is also overthrowing again in his game. Earlier Thomas went for a quick slant right over the middle and was totally uncovered, thomas went left and Bortles seemed totally blind, Thomas had to reverse course and come back in front of Bortles to be seen at which point he finally got covered and Bortles FINALLY passed him the ball!

 

Bortles is doing exactly what I posted. He has time to pass, the Oline is doing alright, Watt is a non factor, but he cannot stand back there all day trying to spot open receivers. It's time for Bortles to take the next step because he is looking real average. He has got to spot open receivers faster and improve his accuracy.

This is ridiculous. He's shown considerable improvement and has given us no reason to think that he won't continue to improve.

Look at that crappy play by that bust. Climb up in a crowded pocket, make the read, deliver on target.

Nevermind, hes a turd.

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Quote:Right now, I would take Bridgewater, Manziel, McCarron, Derek Carr, David Fales and Brett Smith before I would take Bortles.---- Greg Gabriel, former GM

Someone change the name of this thread to "inaccurate".

This is the WORST scouting report I've ever seen. This clown says Bortles BEST passes are 15 yards or shorter! He leads NFL in deep balls.......idiot status. No wonder why Gabriel is out of the NFL.....he said Wyoming QB Brett Smith and David Fales were better than Blake Bortles.....hahahahaha

It's pretty funny reading that now. Bortles is one of the best if not the best deep passer in the league this season. If anything he struggles with short accuracy. There is some stuff that hits the mark though, such as the inconsistent decision making and mechanics.