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Throw a cup of ice water in our College Educated QB's face, crack my ring on my receivers helmets, tell Young that I heard the DE say something bad about his Momma, and then wake up the TE who had to have been taking naps

Quote:Since the issue with the play calling was the whole second half, I would have stuck with the run more.  Also, I would immediately throw the 3 yard out route out of the playbook.  If we are looking to get a short pass to a RB, bring the RB back a few yards like you see done by every other team.  What's the best case scenario for that 3 yard out?  5 yards?  Worst case scenario is a pick six.  Doesn't make sense.  High risk, low reward.

 

Even when we were down by 8 points, we didn't need to be in a hurry up and score mode.  We had a whole quarter to work with. 

 

This play call? https://vine.co/v/eFVBZq6iuJK

 

Watching that play, it looks like a complete miss by Blake. Its one of those things that a young QB (or terrible one) does, where they decide to go pre-snap without adjusting. Maybe its his 1st read, but he should have came off it. Watch the action in the middle of the field.

 

Greene(?) would have been wide-open as the TE looks like he was going to run a corner route and had dragged the LB up field for an instant. The nickel (which was lined up with Greene presnap), looks like he had responsibility on the deeper route that the LB tried to cover. If Blake looks at that quick throw to the RB and read it correctly post-snap (not open) and immediately comes back to the other side of the field...he would have had a wide open WR going against their backup MLB.

 

Isn't this exactly what some of you were suggesting we do? Stress their backup? Except in this case, not only did we stress the backup (and successfully did so), we uh..actually managed to put him on a mismatch against a shifty WR in Greene. This should have been, at the very least a 5 yard gain + YAC by the WR.

Quote:Since the issue with the play calling was the whole second half, I would have stuck with the run more.  Also, I would immediately throw the 3 yard out route out of the playbook.  If we are looking to get a short pass to a RB, bring the RB back a few yards like you see done by every other team.  What's the best case scenario for that 3 yard out?  5 yards?  Worst case scenario is a pick six.  Doesn't make sense.  High risk, low reward.

 

Even when we were down by 8 points, we didn't need to be in a hurry up and score mode.  We had a whole quarter to work with. 

 

So roughly 5 minutes left, down 8, 80 yards to go, you run the ball more?

Quote:This play call? https://vine.co/v/eFVBZq6iuJK

 

Watching that play, it looks like a complete miss by Blake. Its one of those things that a young QB (or terrible one) does, where they decide to go pre-snap without adjusting. Maybe its his 1st read, but he should have came off it. Watch the action in the middle of the field.

 

Greene(?) would have been wide-open as the TE looks like he was going to run a corner route and had dragged the LB up field for an instant. The nickel (which was lined up with Greene presnap), looks like he had responsibility on the deeper route that the LB tried to cover. If Blake looks at that quick throw to the RB and read it correctly post-snap (not open) and immediately comes back to the other side of the field...he would have had a wide open WR going against their backup MLB.

 

Isn't this exactly what some of you were suggesting we do? Stress their backup? Except in this case, not only did we stress the backup (and successfully did so), we uh..actually managed to put him on a mismatch against a shifty WR in Greene. This should have been, at the very least a 5 yard gain + YAC by the WR.

Bravo!

 

For point of clarification, Greene was on the left side of the formation crossing over the middle, correct?

Quote:So roughly 5 minutes left, down 8, 80 yards to go, you run the ball more?

 

After the pick six it was still the 3rd quarter! 

The play calling was bad to start the second half and up until the long Panthers drive in the 4th, we had plenty of time.  We were also never down by more than 1 possession.  We didn't have to abandon the run game and try to get our QB killed!

Quote:So roughly 5 minutes left, down 8, 80 yards to go, you run the ball more?

 

There's an argument for doing so, but I wouldn't do it the way they are suggesting. 5 minutes, two timeouts,...its risky but its doable. I also wouldn't do it "too much", but just enough to get us some yards and move the ball. No, not 2 TE when they are expecting us to throw (and others are suggesting)....

 

4 wide, Yeldon single in the backfield and see if Yeldon can make his man miss. Still its a big risk because you can let the clock run too much and not leave your team with enough. If it was 7 points, this IMO is more feasible. But two scores (unless you're banking on 2 pt conv)...this is very risky.

Quote:After the pick six it was still the 3rd quarter! 

Pay attention to the hypothetical.

Quote:There's an argument for doing so, but I wouldn't do it the way they are suggesting. 5 minutes, two timeouts,...its risky but its doable. I also wouldn't do it "too much", but just enough to get us some yards and move the ball. No, not 2 TE when they are expecting us to throw (and others are suggesting)....

 

4 wide, Yeldon single in the backfield and see if Yeldon can make his man miss. Still its a big risk because you can let the clock run too much and not leave your team with enough. If it was 7 points, this IMO is more feasible. But two scores (unless you're banking on 2 pt conv)...this is very risky.

We are in complete agreement.

"His substitute, Sam Young, hasn't fared as well.  Frankly, he's been beaten like a rented mule, and most of the pressure on Bortles has come when he entered the game. What plays do you call?"

 

AROB IN THE WILDCAT UNTIL THE WHEELS FALL OFF. :yes:

Quote:Bravo!

 

For point of clarification, Greene was on the left side of the formation crossing over the middle, correct?

Yeah Greene (it looks like #13, hard to read the number on the jersey) is lined up on the slot, left side of the formation on the bottom of the screen.

 

Watching this play develop, it seems like the right playcall to be honest and was just a bad bad baaaaaaad read by Blake. Like, kindergarten level read (heh couldn't resist). I think if he comes back to his left side, there's two possible things to look for as dictated by the call:

 

One is the example we saw above: the LB was drawn upfield by the TE and left the WR option. The other option, if the TE stayed underneath and covered Greene, is that Harbor on the corner. Not seen in that vine (but you can see from BCC's stills), they were playing single high safety. With Hurns(? the receiver lined up on the same side as Yeldon) going deep, he would have pulled the safety deep. Which to me, means you'll have an opportunity going to Clay vs. the nickel (and based on depth, I think Clay would have had an advantage here)

Let me check my Madden playbook and get back to you

Excellent job, Speedy! Wish we had more vines to break down

Quote:Thanks Kotite and SpeedyG for your input here.


A few points.


1. The overall effectiveness of passing from a 2 TE set is based in part on the run look that it presents to a defense. If there is an equal or close to equal possibility of run or pass, that personnel grouping has more likelihood of success. But with about 5 or so minutes left in the game and you are down by 8, the defense knows it is increasingly a passing situation. Aren't you kind of spitting into the wind with that personnel grouping? - With it basically being a one score and two point conversion to tie situation with 5 minutes left, it presents an opportunity to show run and max protect with a TE and RB staying home to allow the play to develop.


2. Having your TE running a wheel route and the X running a post, those are two long patterns. Even though Harbor is pretty fast for a TE, he is still slower than most WRs. Longer patterns take longer to develop, especially with a TE running them. If it takes longer to run the pattern, it takes longer for the linemen to hold their blocks, something the team showed it couldn't do well in the 4th quarter. Do you still run that play? What if they show blitz? Do you instruct Bortles to audible, altering the routes and the protections, or do you leave the playcall as is? - you want the QB to have the option to audible to a safer play, but if they show blitz you can have a hot route with the other WR or have the RB chip block and try to get open for a screen. Hopefully max protect gives the QB enough time as the formation could lead the D to think we are not trying to give up on the run.


3. As Speedyg pointed out, your choice of playcalling is based in part on what personnel and coverage you are expecting based on the scouting of their tendencies. Would your choice of this playcall differ if your scouting indicated Carolina is more apt to play, say, a four across coverage that takes away deep outside routes, as opposed to man? - the scenario implies we have 5-6 minutes so the D would hopefully send out 4 DBs and 3 LBs to match up with the offensive personnel. It all comes down to the execution of course whether or not it works, but I think it would be a less predictable call than just lining up 4 wide and tipping our hand a bit. At that point in the game our OL was getting pushed around pretty good and 4 wide tells the DL to pin their ears back and just go for the QB. A less obvious formation for a deep pass may have gotten them just off balance enough. Of course this is all hypothetical and I am not a pro OC.

In week 1, the NFL set a record for the number of TDs that TEs caught (22).

 

The Jags targeted the TE 1x in week 1.

Quote:In week 1, the NFL set a record for the number of TDs that TEs caught (22).

 

The Jags targeted the TE 1x in week 1.

I did not know either of these things.

 

In your opinion, given Carolina's LBs, was that by design or did it just work out that way?

 

Am I to assume you think that was not a good thing to see only one pass to the TE?

 

Do you think Thomas' absence played a role in the number of times the TE was targeted, either by design or net result?

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Quote:I did not know either of these things.

 

In your opinion, given Carolina's LBs, was that by design or did it just work out that way?

 

Am I to assume you think that was not a good thing to see only one pass to the TE?

 

Do you think Thomas' absence played a role in the number of times the TE was targeted, either by design or net result?

 

Well even a kindergartner can rule out play calling, so it has to be something else.

 

I guess that is a question for the professional play callers to answer.

I haven't re-watched the game, but I don't recall any screen passes or throws to the tight ends. Just saying.

Quote:You are Jaguars OC Greg Olson.

 

It is in the 4th quarter of the Carolina game, and you are trailing by 8.

 

While Luke Joeckel isn't making anyone forget Tony Boselli, he has done a relatively decent job against the Carolina DE before leaving the game with an injured ankle.

 

His substitute, Sam Young, hasn't fared as well.  Frankly, he's been beaten like a rented mule, and most of the pressure on Bortles has come when he entered the game.

 

What plays do you call?

 

You are behind in the 4th quarter.  While there is still time, we need points pretty quickly.

 

The situation calls for 4 wide and throwing it all over the place, right?

 

All of your pre game scouting shows that Carolina's nickel and dime backs can be had.

 

But your LT is hurt and his replacement can't block anyone.

 

Do you go four wide and leave your LT to try to block the DE when you know he hasn't?

 

Do you go 3 wide leave a TE in to help block the DE, leaving yourself less able to attack the secondary you scouted and determined to be vulnerable?

 

Do you make your rookie RB chip, limiting his availability as a check down?

 

Do you shift protections to the left, even though your pregame scouting shows they sometimes slant to your right?  What if they played against their own tendencies and showed blitz to the right?  Do you allow the QB to audible, switch protections to the right, leaving your vulnerable tackle one on one?  Does that include route adjustments? Do they become hot routes and they break it off underneath to beat the blitz?  What does that do to the play you deemed appropriate under the circumstances? 

 

Oh yeah, the receivers whose routes you may be adjusting, have been dropping passes and not getting much in way of separation all game.

 

What play works? 

 

If you can still afford to run the ball and not burn too much clock.. do it. then set up play action for a deep strike. but according to your second post of scenarios its likely i have to pass as theres not enough time

 

You go 3 Wr's (Robinson, Hurns, Greene) 1 TE (Marcedes) and a RB (Denard). thats my personnel.

 

now you have 2 options, have Marcedes stay in to block and help Sam Young, or have Young Cut block and roll Bortles out of the pocket away from pressure; this puts pressure on the defense having to respect bortles leg and his arm downfield, it also neutralizes the pass rush from the blind side that Young is helpless against. Have Denard as a checkdown or sit down in the zone in the middle of the field, have Robinson run a comeback on the near side (where Bortles rolls out to) have Hurns run a post route from the opposite side of the field (so his route is heading towards the direction Bortles is rolling to) and motion Greene into the slot on either side to read the defense and have him be the designated "hot route" that will run a curl or a shallow cross. Robinson's the first read, if the comeback to the sideline isnt there look to hurns on the post cutting across as you roll out, if thats covered then Bortles keeps it himself or find the checkdown in Denard/Greene. additionally the pass rush against Sam Young is neutralized by the rollout of Bortles and having Marcedes help block on the edge.

 

People forget how good Bortles is throwing on the move, he THRIVES in the concepts ive described above and that play utilizes the strength of each of the players: Bortles- Mobility,  Marcedes- Blocking, A. Robinson- hands/possesion route, Hurns- Deep threat/big play downfield, D. Robinson- quickness in space as a checkdown.

 

If we just played to the players on this rosters strengths rather than trying to get cute and match concepts we'd have a great deal more success

You are wasting way too much text on this.  There are two solutions to your LT failing as a pass blocker - as long as the rest of the o-line is still performing OK.  You either run (draw or trap, both work) or you have your QB roll right at the snap.  As long as your run game is still performing, and your QB has good legs (ours does), and the right side of your line is pass-blocking well, you'll be OK.  The QB just has to be aware of the possibility of a blitz from the right and have a plan to throw it to the receiver left uncovered by the blitz.

 

If Sam Young starts against the Dolphins, we will see plenty of this.