Of course she's not in jail. Not only was it not part of her duties to perform such a ceremony, but she directed them to a judge that would perform the ceremony. Which is the opposite of what Kim Davis did, which is refuse to allow her clerks to issue those licenses (and issuing those licenses is actually part of her job)
Just like you won't see any Priests going to jail for refusing to perform a ceremony for same sex marriage.
1. That article is from 2012. Are you even trying anymore, Drifter?
2. Performing marriages is not a job duty for her. It's something she can do if she chooses to. She chooses not to. Big flippin' deal.
Quote:This is an Older story, but I think she's still refusing to marry couples
Meanwhile......... And she''s not in Jail either
Lesbian judge refuses to marry heterosexual couples
A lesbian judge in Texas says she will not perform wedding ceremonies for heterosexuals until the state allows homosexuals to “marry” as well.
Dallas County Judge Tonya Parker told the Stonewall Democrats of Dallas at a meeting last Tuesday that it would be “oxymoronic” for her to perform wedding ceremonies that can’t be performed for her.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lesbia...al-couples
What does this have anything to do with the topic at hand?
Quote:What does this have anything to do with the topic at hand?
Oh I will take this one.
Does it add value? No
Does it stoke anger? Attempts to
Does it stoke outrage? Tries to
It's no different than any of his other posts.
Well she is earning 80k/yr and now she is getting free meals and room and board.
I get why she doesn't want to issue them, which seems reasonable she can not partake. But wonder what her thought process is for not letting her staff comply?
Quote:Well she is earning 80k/yr and now she is getting free meals and room and board.
I get why she doesn't want to issue them, which seems reasonable she can not partake. But wonder what her thought process is for not letting her staff comply?
I don't speak for Kim Davis. But if I was in Kim Davis' position, I would very likely do one of two things. Either not have anyone in the department issue any marriage licenses to Homosexual Couples or resign. It would depend on what my legal advice was. The one thing I certainly wouldn't do is have anyone in the department issue marriage licenses, while being the head of the department. IMO, when one believes something is wrong to do, it's much worse when you are responsible for others doing it than doing it yourself.
And she's being released now that her staff is issuing licenses, with a warning not to interfere in her staff's doing so.
Over/under on how long before she's back in jail for blocking her staff?
Quote:And she's being released now that her staff is issuing licenses, with a warning not to interfere in her staff's doing so.
Over/under on how long before she's back in jail for blocking her staff?
That depends. What's the stat line on the influx of cash to her martyr cause?
Quote:I don't speak for Kim Davis. But if I was in Kim Davis' position, I would very likely do one of two things. Either not have anyone in the department issue any marriage licenses to Homosexual Couples or resign. It would depend on what my legal advice was. The one thing I certainly wouldn't do is have anyone in the department issue marriage licenses, while being the head of the department. IMO, when one believes something is wrong to do, it's much worse when you are responsible for others doing it than doing it yourself.
That doesn't make sense to me at all.
I mean, yeah one of her options was to resign. Which she should have done. But if other people were willing to do the certificates, why should she get in the way just because it's against HER beliefs?
Quote:That depends. What's the stat line on the influx of cash to her martyr cause?
Has she reached her Go Fund Me goal yet? No? Oh ok, back to prison it is. Maybe she needs a photo ops with 5 GOP nominees instead of 2.
Quote:That doesn't make sense to me at all.
I mean, yeah one of her options was to resign. Which she should have done. But if other people were willing to do the certificates, why should she get in the way just because it's against HER beliefs?
Kim Davis is head of the department. She's in a responsible position. If she decides to keep the job AND she believes that it would be harmful to those under her to offer the licenses, I think she would be making a huge mistake if she let them proceed.
Quote: Kim Davis is head of the department. She's in a responsible position. If she decides to keep the job AND she believes that it would be harmful to those under her to offer the licenses, I think she would be making a huge mistake if she let them proceed.
Why would it be harmful for them to follow the law and do their jobs exactly?
And Kim Davis's lawyers have figured a way to make a lot of money:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/lawyers-...from-jail/
Also why is it up to Kim Davis to determine what's harmful to her employees? that's up to them. She's in no position to tell them how to run their life. Same with any employers.
Quote:And Kim Davis's lawyers have figured a way to make a lot of money:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/lawyers-...from-jail/
Also why is it up to Kim Davis to determine what's harmful to her employees? that's up to them. She's in no position to tell them how to run their life. Same with any employers.
Why is the judge releasing her on a condition that she has not, and apparently will not agree to?
Quote:Why would it be harmful for them to follow the law and do their jobs exactly?
It depends on what one believes. If one believes that ' Same Sex Marriage' is wrong and that their are dire consequences that go well beyond the ' law' , they should either resign or be willing to face the legal system consequences in order to stand for what they believe in.
Quote:That depends. What's the stat line on the influx of cash to her martyr cause?
Quote:Has she reached her Go Fund Me goal yet? No? Oh ok, back to prison it is. Maybe she needs a photo ops with 5 GOP nominees instead of 2.
True story: she can't have a GoFundMe page. GFM changed their policies so that people convicted of a crime can't raise funds related to that crime, or something along those lines. Basically, any fundraising for her will have to go through traditional channels.
Or Kickstarter.
Quote: Kim Davis is head of the department. She's in a responsible position. If she decides to keep the job AND she believes that it would be harmful to those under her to offer the licenses, I think she would be making a huge mistake if she let them proceed.
How? It's a simple rule of law. She took an oath swearing to uphold the law, and swore to perform all lawful duties of her office. If she refuses to perform those duties on
any grounds, she should either resign or be jailed until she either complies with the law or resigns. The judge gave her the option of not performing those duties herself, but simply allowing her staff to. The judge has gone above and beyond what the law requires, and possibly created a dangerous loophole in the process, yet she insists upon violating the lawful duties of her office.
Religion does not play into government decisions, period. The First Amendment guarantees that. If she has a problem with the job duties on religious grounds, she should resign. If she insists on violating the law, then she should sit in prison until she resigns, is impeached or follows the law.
Quote:Why is the judge releasing her on a condition that she has not, and apparently will not agree to?
Because her office is complying with the law, and bringing her office into compliance was the only reason for her imprisonment. When she returns to work, a gay couple will walk in and ask for a marriage license, she'll block it from happening, the judge will get a phone call, and she'll be back in jail so that the lawful duties of the office can be carried out once again.
I keep seeing it written that the Kentucky legislature won't impeach her. I'm not so sure about that. By the time they're back in session, they might consider it to be roughly the equivalent of taking your rabid dog out back and putting one between its eyes.
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How? It's a simple rule of law. She took an oath swearing to uphold the law, and swore to perform all lawful duties of her office. If she refuses to perform those duties on any grounds, she should either resign or be jailed until she either complies with the law or resigns. The judge gave her the option of not performing those duties herself, but simply allowing her staff to. The judge has gone above and beyond what the law requires, and possibly created a dangerous loophole in the process, yet she insists upon violating the lawful duties of her office.
Religion does not play into government decisions, period. The First Amendment guarantees that. If she has a problem with the job duties on religious grounds, she should resign. If she insists on violating the law, then she should sit in prison until she resigns, is impeached or follows the law.
Like I previously said, if I were in her position, unless I received legal advice to do otherwise, I would resign. But there's absolutely no circumstance in the world that would lead me to issue the licenses or have someone else in the department issue them as long as I'm head of the department.
Quote: But there's absolutely no circumstance in the world that would lead me to issue the licenses or have someone else in the department issue them as long as I'm head of the department.
That's sad, unfortunate, yet not at all surprising.
Quote:That's sad, unfortunate, yet not at all surprising.
You and everyone else reading this can make your own choices. Like I said many times before and plan on saying it again, we have free will. But what would be sad is if my position was different than what I expressed above.