Quote:Last year there were several guys I would have been happy with, so trading wasn't even on my radar.
This year, there's no one that stands out as "must have" where we're selecting.
Great year to move and pick up extra players if that's what's in the cards.
Yeah, exactly. Well said.
Quote:If your suggestion was for a trade that does not drop us out of the top 10, I would be more open to the idea.
Lol so stupid. You're incredible.
Garrett, Allen, Adams, and Thomas (assuming he blows it up at the combine, which I think he will) are the only 4 players I would consider elite in this draft class and would be worthy of pick #4. If Hooker didnt have his surgery I would include him too. I think it is best for us to stay put and take one of these players unless we get an offer that is just too good to pass up, which I dont believe will happen.
Quote:LOL so stupid. You're incredible.
Why? I have seen what the Browns do every year. They miss out on many great players by trading down, down, down until those guys are no longer available.
Quote:That it is time to trade down for once! We need to accumulate more talent all over the field and find guys who will truly make an impact.
We have traded UP in the past 10 years or so, and it clearly has not worked in our favor. I'd love to stockpile on picks and bring in as much young talent as possible.
With the Jets at 6 and in need of a QB, I'd love to see us trade with Buffalo (pick 10), who is also in need of a QB. Something along those lines 
Why would we trade out of a spot if a qb is available that is worth picking at 4?
Quote:Why would we trade out of a spot if a qb is available that is worth picking at 4?
If you have been paying attention, you know:
1. Brandon Allen was drafted last year.
2. Chad Henne was recently re-signed.
3. "Blake Bortles is our quarterback."
4. No QB prospects are top 10 quality.
5. We need to upgrade other positions.
Quote:Why would we trade out of a spot if a qb is available that is worth picking at 4?
To gain more assets and opportunities of adding more talent all around the roster..
The Jaguars are going with Bortles for at least one more season. If a team wants to throw the load at us and get their guy then we should jump all over that. I'd like to see us do that one time.
Quote:Garrett, Allen, Adams, and Thomas (assuming he blows it up at the combine, which I think he will) are the only 4 players I would consider elite in this draft class and would be worthy of pick #4. If Hooker didnt have his surgery I would include him too. I think it is best for us to stay put and take one of these players unless we get an offer that is just too good to pass up, which I dont believe will happen.
My list also includes fournette with Thomas on the fringe.
I wouldn't be mad with a trade down but I think fournette might help our team the most barring a great offer.
Quote:Are you Kotite with a new username?
There is no chance we can ever all agree on trading down from #4. This team is no longer in full rebuilding mode.
Also, two current players we traded up for are home runs picks: Allen Robinson and Myles Jack (both in the second round). If Justin Blackmon was not a drug addict, the same could be said about our trade up for him.
The Bills only need a QB if they don't restructure Tyrod Taylor's contract. I think Taylor has said he wants to stay in Buffalo. They drafted Cardale Jones last year and are refusing to give up on E.J. Manuel. Why do you mention a team that probably will not want to spend its first round pick on a QB?
Not with a division rival that picks before them.
Last seasons 3 wins disagree with you.
Quote:My list also includes fournette with Thomas on the fringe.
I wouldn't be mad with a trade down but I think fournette might help our team the most
barring a great offer.
No RB is worth a pick that high anymore. Trade down. In fact, we should trade down twice. This was Genes mistake, he didn't take the SF deal, and if he had he could have traded down again from their spot and we would have gotten a better haul. Seems like teams don't like to trade till the 10th pick or so, so move down to where the actions happening, and pick up another pick.
Quote:No RB is worth a pick that high anymore. Trade down. In fact, we should trade down twice. This was Genes mistake, he didn't take the SF deal, and if he had he could have traded down again from their spot and we would have gotten a better haul. Seems like teams don't like to trade till the 10th pick or so, so move down to where the actions happening, and pick up another pick.
Elliott wasn't worth a top five pick for the Cowboys?
Quote:Elliott wasn't worth a top five pick for the Cowboys?
Many would say "no."
The argument is that they could have a 3rd round back behind that O-Line that would still rack up 1400 yards conceivably and could have taken an impact defensive player like Ramsey with that pick.
Quote:To gain more assets and opportunities of adding more talent all around the roster..
The Jaguars are going with Bortles for at least one more season. If a team wants to throw the load at us and get their guy then we should jump all over that. I'd like to see us do that one time.
Yeah but my point is... if there is a guy worth trading up for, then then we have the ability to draft that person. Unless some team madly falls in love with someone that's not even close to worth it.... but if it's a top 10 talent at QB - then we will pick him, because we're just as qb needy as any team in the league.
Quote:If you have been paying attention, you know:
1. Brandon Allen was drafted last year.
2. Chad Henne was recently re-signed.
3. "Blake Bortles is our quarterback."
4. No QB prospects are top 10 quality.
5. We need to upgrade other positions.
The rare post of yours that both makes sense AND I agree with.
Quote:Elliott wasn't worth a top five pick for the Cowboys?
I'm not going to say he wasn't.... BUT
Quote:Many would say "no."
The argument is that they could have a 3rd round back behind that O-Line that would still rack up 1400 yards conceivably and could have taken an impact defensive player like Ramsey with that pick.
this point here... imagine if Ramsey had been on their D which was ultimately their downfall. Or maybe they take a pass rusher there instead, since they really needed those too.
Over the last decade or so we've seen RBs from every round be successful for a year or two here and there and behind Dallas' Oline DMac had his best season... and they had Alfred Morris.
My guess is that the duo could've hit 1400...
I also think Dak was obviously the better "value" and probably more valuable to the team.
However back on the other coin... I have no doubt Zeke will be very good for a long while.
Quote:Yeah but my point is... if there is a guy worth trading up for, then then we have the ability to draft that person. Unless some team madly falls in love with someone that's not even close to worth it.... but if it's a top 10 talent at QB - then we will pick him, because we're just as qb needy as any team in the league.
Trubisky, 1 year starter for NC?
Not worth top 10 selection.
Watson, very debatable about his draft position... I say not top ten, others disagree...
Kizer???
We're not selecting a QB... in the first 3 rounds....
that's my bet.
Quote:Last seasons 3 wins disagree with you.
The number of wins any given year does not mean we have to start all over again. We needed new coaches and got them.
Quote:Trubisky, 1 year starter for NC?
Not worth top 10 selection.
Watson, very debatable about his draft position... I say not top ten, others disagree...
Kizer???
We're not selecting a QB... in the first 3 rounds....
that's my bet.
I agree. Which is why the whole "trade down with someone who wants our spot to draft a qb" makes no sense
Quote:If you have been paying attention, you know:
1. Brandon Allen was drafted last year.
2. Chad Henne was recently re-signed.
3. "Blake Bortles is our quarterback."
4. No QB prospects are top 10 quality.
5. We need to upgrade other positions.
1,2,3,5 are completely irrelevant.
Number 4 I actually agree with, which brings me to my question again. Why would anyone trade up for a QB with us? It's not gonna happen.
And if there were WAS some great qb prospect.... we would've smart by picking him.