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Quote:For those who have all of their news spoon fed to them by the alphabet networks, or other mainstream media resources, that's probably true.  Sadly, a large portion of the country is completely oblivious to anything beyond what they're told by this conglomerate, so they'll be good little mind-numbed drones and believe it when they're told it's all just politics.

 

In reality, I'm continually amazed at how some libs who I thought actually had some level of common sense want to bypass this issue completely.  Not because of the political implications, but because it exposes a level of corruption and misdeeds that nobody in the mainstream media would dare touch on because the taint impacts not only Clinton, but their beloved manufactured messiah, Obama. 

 

The actual purpose of the investigations, rightly or not, is to get to the bottom of what was going on in Benghazi that cost us an ambassador and 3 other American lives.  Why was the ambassador allowed to operate in Benghazi with little security, and what was he doing? 

 

The answer to that question would be devastating to Clinton's political ambitions, and it would taint the already floundering legacy of her boss.  They were running guns.  Dealing weapons that they confiscated in Libya to ISIS and al Qaeda operatives in Syria who were rent-a-warriors fighting the Assad regime.  We were financing and arming the very people who we are also killing in Iran and losing ground to in Iraq. 

 

All of this was happening while our president was running for reelection on the mantra that GM was still alive, and bin Laden was dead.  Al Qaeda was on the run, and he was the great warrior who had ended two wars.  The reality didn't support that manufactured heroism, but nobody in the media was going to challenge anything he said.  So, they're certainly not going to press the issue now as they do their best to prop up a horrible candidate in Clinton. 

 

Sadly, the media will accomplish exactly what they intend to do, and we'll be strapped with another incompetent political shrew in Clinton for 4 years because at the end of the day, holding the office is far more important than finding the truth.

 

Thank god we have you to show us the way. The One True American who has not been hoodwinked by The Mainstream Media Resources (how many hours a day do you spend trying to come up with names for The Media?)

 

You are truly the only one to see The Truth. I know it's not said often enough, but I, and I think I speak for all on this message board, cannot thank you enough.

 

(I thought you were the one that assured me that Hillary wasn't going to get the nomination. Well, even the best Oracles have a bad day I guess.)

Quote:First off, the media did not invent Kevin McCarthy's quote. Certain alphabet networks had been speculating for months now that it was just a political ploy, and I didn't give them much credence until McCarthy came out and bragged about how his political ploy had hurt Hillary in the polls. That's the point at which I stopped caring.

 

I'm not a particular fan of Obama, and certainly not a fan of Clinton. That said, and be honest, if Benghazi had happened under Condoleeza Rice's watch with the exact same circumstances, right down to this exact House of Representatives and Rice being the front-runner in a Presidential campaign, would this committee even exist? Or would Benghazi simply have been brushed under the table as an unfortunate, unforeseeable disaster? Now spin that the other way: if Rice were Secretary of State and it happened under a particularly divisive Democrat-controlled House of Representatives, would this same committee exist, and would the "damage her campaign" motivations still be a factor?

 

My answer would be this: if the administration and control of the House belonged to the same party, regardless of party, this would have stopped being an issue long ago. There would have been a few cursory investigations that found no wrongdoing, the military might have unretired Petraus just so they could pin it on him and fire him again, and it wouldn't even be talked about in the current campaign cycle. Likewise, we're seeing what happens when a party that's, frankly, desperate to figure out how to beat Hillary Clinton in the general election if she makes it that far, will do to further their goal. Kind of like what we'd see if the Democrats were desperate to take Condi Rice down a peg in her hypothetical bid for the top office.

 

That's not to condone what we were doing in Benghazi, but it's also disingenuous to suggest that the Bush administration hadn't been doing exactly the same thing elsewhere in the world, or the Clinton administration, or the first Bush, or especially Reagan (Iran Contra, anyone?). The US created Al Qaeda by arming and abandoning the Mujahideen, much like we created ISIS, and so on. We excel at creating our own enemies, but very rarely is a big deal made of it. Blame the mainstream media, blame partisan politics, whatever. I won't disagree all that strongly because I think that the tendency of the US to arm and provide the ideological ammunition for those who wish it harm is a long-standing problem that needs to be addressed, and the way we do business needs to change. I just can't take an inquest seriously in the slightest when it's walked like a witch hunt and quacked like a witch hunt for years now, and then a man in the opposing party who just happens to be running for Speaker of the House brags about it being a successful witch hunt. I don't need the mainstream media to spoon feed that to me; I can just look at McCarthy's exact words online:

 

"And let me give you one example. Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's un-trustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened had we not fought and made that happen."

 

I don't know about your take, but to me that sounds like a man who could not care less about the lives lost in Benghazi. He's just happier than a pig in [BAD WORD REMOVED] that his political ploy did exactly as he intended it to from the start. That's why I'm sick of hearing about Benghazi, and why nothing that committee finds will ever hold credibility for me.

 

And there's still no way on God's green earth (or in hell, for that matter) that I'm voting for Hillary Clinton.

 

passing off moral relativism as an actual point is becoming absurd.  

 

A United States Ambassador was killed, the first since the last Democrat of a similar magnitude of incompetence was in office, and three Americans lost their lives.  

Mind you this was after 600 requests for additional security, the British leaving the city, the red cross leaving the city, and a direct cable from the ambassador and the best thing you can come up with is a pull quote from a republican and WELL IF CONDI DID IT.  Is that your final answer?

Quote:passing off moral relativism as an actual point is becoming absurd.


A United States Ambassador was killed, the first since the last Democrat of a similar magnitude of incompetence was in office, and three Americans lost their lives.

Mind you this was after 600 requests for additional security, the British leaving the city, the red cross leaving the city, and a direct cable from the ambassador and the best thing you can come up with is a pull quote from a republican and WELL IF CONDI DID IT. Is that your final answer?

Yes.

But it did happen. With Condi and Rumsfeld. Over a dozen times.

Gowdy recently pointed out that Hillary still owes them a ton of documents, and that refusal to turn them over could lead to charges of obstruction of justice.

Quote:But it did happen. With Condi and Rumsfeld. Over a dozen times.

 

Give me the name of every United States Ambassador that was killed under the Bush Administration and a detailed list of every time that a high value target was taken down and the administration blamed SOCIAL MEDIA.  

Quote:Yes.

 

You're right my fault.  And Islam's main purpose was the preservation of rose pedals before Sykes Picot.  What was i thinking.  

There is a very big lesson from this whole affair.  The most astonishing thing isn't that Hillary, good old sniper fire, would lie about something.  The most astonishing thing about this whole thing is that the LIE was deemed plausible by the public at large.  Think about it, A United States Embassay and a CIA annex was attacked and over run by a militaristic group with sophisticated high grade weaponry, demonstrating potential knowledge of classified security plans for the Ambassadors secondary location and the narrative that played the day was that this was all a spontaneous response to a social media post.

 

It should be common sense that a bunch of people walking around with protest signs don't remotely have the capability to overtake an international installation, but A certain cross section of the population is so craven for the opportunity to blame either Christian's or Americans for radical Islam that they will lap up any idea that puts us at the forefront no matter how absurd it is.  

 

This whole sad sorry episode is a demonstration in a level of incompetence and willful negligence that should give every American pause.  Mrs. Clinton's case for the most powerful office in the world is that she is so adroit at leadership and problem solving that she should be put in charge of global atmospheric composition, but she has demonstrated that she can't manage an e-mail server or adequately protect her own employees abroad.  And this is the women some people want in charge of their thermostats?  No to mention the fact this failure was in direct contravention of every objective piece of evidence in the region at the time.  Is this the level of competence and clarity that we are to expect when we are told that the IRAN NUKE DEAL is a good deal despite the obvious evident and glaring evidence to the contrary?

Quote:Give me the name of every United States Ambassador that was killed under the Bush Administration and a detailed list of every time that a high value target was taken down and the administration blamed SOCIAL MEDIA.

Do you want their social security numbers and favorite ice cream flavors too?


1/22/02 Calcutta, India - Gunmen tied to Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami kill five people in the US consulate.


6/14/02 Karachi, Pakistan - Al Qaeda suicide bomber attacks the US consulate killing 12 and injuring 51.


10/12/02 Denpasar, Indonesia - US diplomatic offices bombed as string of "Bali Bombings" - no fatalities.


2/28/03 Islamabad, Pakistan - 2 killed as several gunmen open fire on the US embassy.


5/12/03 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - Al Qaeda terrorists storm diplomatic compound killing 36, including 9 Americans. They also detonated a truck bomb.


7/30/04 Tashkent, Uzbekistan - suicide bomber tied to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks US embassy, killing two.


12/6/04 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia - US consulate stormed by terrorists who occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.


3/2/06 Karachi, Pakistan - suicide bomber attacks US consulate killing four, including David Foy who was directly targeted.


9/12/06 Damascus, Syria - 4 gunmen attack US embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb killing 4 and wounding 13.


1/12/07 Athens, Greece - Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire rocket propelled grenades at the US embassy. No fatalities.


3/18/08 Sana'a, Yemen - Al Qaeda linked group fires mortar at the US embassy, but misses and kills two in a nearby school.


7/9/08 Istanbul, Turkey - four armed terrorists attack US consulate killing six.


9/17/08 Sana'a, Yemen - terrorists dressed as military officials attack US embassy with RPGs and two car bombs killing 16. This is the second attack on the embassy in 7 months.


Less than 3 years later, Republican lawmakers shaved $128M off the administration's request for embassy security funding. Because Obama...


9/11/12 Benghazi attack happens and all of a sudden everyone loses their minds. HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!? WE DEMAND ANSWERS!! AMERICAN LIVES!!


I guess none of these other instances merited much noise. Why is that I wonder?

Im sorry i forgot u was talking to a liberal. Give me the NAME of a US AMBASSADOR that was killed on foriegn soil or an INSTANCE where the former administration blamed SOCIAL MEDIA. i was looking for the crayon function but im on my phone.

Quote:Do you want their social security numbers and favorite ice cream flavors too?


1/22/02 Calcutta, India - Gunmen tied to Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami kill five people in the US consulate.


6/14/02 Karachi, Pakistan - Al Qaeda suicide bomber attacks the US consulate killing 12 and injuring 51.


10/12/02 Denpasar, Indonesia - US diplomatic offices bombed as string of "Bali Bombings" - no fatalities.


2/28/03 Islamabad, Pakistan - 2 killed as several gunmen open fire on the US embassy.


5/12/03 Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - Al Qaeda terrorists storm diplomatic compound killing 36, including 9 Americans. They also detonated a truck bomb.


7/30/04 Tashkent, Uzbekistan - suicide bomber tied to the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks US embassy, killing two.


12/6/04 Jeddah, Saudi Arabia - US consulate stormed by terrorists who occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.


3/2/06 Karachi, Pakistan - suicide bomber attacks US consulate killing four, including David Foy who was directly targeted.


9/12/06 Damascus, Syria - 4 gunmen attack US embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb killing 4 and wounding 13.


1/12/07 Athens, Greece - Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire rocket propelled grenades at the US embassy. No fatalities.


3/18/08 Sana'a, Yemen - Al Qaeda linked group fires mortar at the US embassy, but misses and kills two in a nearby school.


7/9/08 Istanbul, Turkey - four armed terrorists attack US consulate killing six.


9/17/08 Sana'a, Yemen - terrorists dressed as military officials attack US embassy with RPGs and two car bombs killing 16. This is the second attack on the embassy in 7 months.


Less than 3 years later, Republican lawmakers shaved $128M off the administration's request for embassy security funding. Because Obama...


9/11/12 Benghazi attack happens and all of a sudden everyone loses their minds. HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!? WE DEMAND ANSWERS!! AMERICAN LIVES!!


I guess none of these other instances merited much noise. Why is that I wonder?

 

Because Hillary Clinton. 

 

The more I observe this whole Benghazi investigation, the more it is obvious that Republicans live in their own world. 

 

I am no fan of Hillary Clinton.   But as I watched hours of the latest hearing, where they grilled Hillary Clinton endlessly, I kept asking myself, where's the beef?   Either these congress people are completely incompetent, or there's nothing there.  

 

The level of indignation and hostility with which they asked their questions was notable to say the least, to the point where it was obvious they weren't after the truth, they were after her. 

 

Dozens of congress people who had months of preparation, no rules of evidence or any restraint like you'd see in a courtroom, so...  go get her.   Nail her to the wall.   And...?   She sits there and swats away every question with this look of total boredom like she was LeBron James defending the hoop against a bunch of little kids.  

Quote:Im sorry i forgot u was talking to a liberal. Give me the NAME of a US AMBASSADOR that was killed on foriegn soil or an INSTANCE where the former administration blamed SOCIAL MEDIA. i was looking for the crayon function but im on my phone.

I gave you enough info to look up the names and details of all of these instances. And the name of David Foy who was a diplomat. Go nuts. I sincerely hope you channel incredible outrage as you research every instance and assign blame accordingly. You know.. for consistency.

This is the pattern of liberals. Liberals lie. We call them on it in real time. We are called tin foil conspiracy theorists. Time goes by. We are proven right. Then when we are proven right we are told "big deal, it was obvious. So what?"

And youre right we didnt learn much new. We still don't know who changed the talking points. We still don't know who gave the stand down order We still don't know who authored the fiction that this could ever have been a spontaneous response to a social media post.

What are you even talking about? I gave you examples of over a dozen similar attacks where nobody batted an eye and you ignore them. I'm going to blow your mind, by saying I have to work and cannot indulge your ignorance right now. Crazy huh? A dirty "liberal" working. I don't even get free phones or food stamps. Just a paycheck. Whoa. Just because I am socially progressive, you want to apply the term liberal to me as if it's an insult or stigma. I won't bore you with the many arguments I have had with people who actually know me regarding my very conservative views on certain topics. Don't want to burst that bubble of yours or have you actually acknowledge the 13 attacks under Rumsfeld and Rice which didn't garner Congressional hearings. Have a great day in that wonderful world of yours!

Ill take that as an admission of defeat. Thank u for not playing.

Deciphering your psycho babble just requires more time than I currently have, but feel free to look up details on any of those attacks I mentioned in the meantime and tell me which person or persons we should blame and prosecute. American lives, right?

It certainly mattered to this scapegoat rabble rousing bigot.

 

Direct questions are psycho babble now huh? Now thats change u can believe in.

But you didn't ask a direct question. You went on a disconnected spiel of "liberal lies" and "changing talking points" while wholly ignoring 13 other embassy or consulate attacks which nobody seemed to care about.