OK. I wont even argue. Let's say 100% those are always the exact rules of probation. Do you really believe it should be the job of the NFL to conduct that probation? And that a full season is a logical length of suspension?


I know the NFL is trying to protect its image and all, but I think stuff like this will ultimately end up hurting them.

Although I do agree that the NFL seems to be stretching it's bounds, ultimately doesn't the responsibility fall on the player, even if the rules seem unfair if you AGREE to contract within you know you can not drink alcohol then know you will be tested and then drink anyway, how is the fault that of the NFL, and as far as long term effects to the league, pretty sure there will be someone who can play coming up soon

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Although I do agree that the NFL seems to be stretching it's bounds, ultimately doesn't the responsibility fall on the player, even if the rules seem unfair if you AGREE to contract within you know you can not drink alcohol then know you will be tested and then drink anyway, how is the fault that of the NFL, and as far as long term effects to the league, pretty sure there will be someone who can play coming up soon

This reminds me of those ridiculous one million page terms of servie agreements people sign all the time (after reading each and every page ). Yea, he agreed to getting paid a whole lot of money. He's definitely not saying, "wait, I refuse this boatload of money over the rule on page one billion and thirteen.".


Protecting the integrity of the game doesn't have to result in becoming a police league. Just be logical with it.

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The NFL is an employer with terms and conditions for their employees. Pure and simple they can say they have to wear hats on their heads during business hours to get paid millions of dollars and if they don't they are suspended, that is their right. He had to keep clean as part of the NFLs employee terms and conditions he is going to suffer the consequence. I don't know the terms of his probation on the DUI but if they say he can't drink and he violated that the NFL suspension is the least of his concerns.

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The NFL is an employer with terms and conditions for their employees. Pure and simple they can say they have to wear hats on their heads during business hours to get paid millions of dollars and if they don't they are suspended, that is their right. He had to keep clean as part of the NFLs employee terms and conditions he is going to suffer the consequence. I don't know the terms of his probation on the DUI but if they say he can't drink and he violated that the NFL suspension is the least of his concerns.

 

I was going to say similar to this.  If he was working for another corporation with the value of the NFL, he would have been fired a long time ago.  

 

For the people that just want to NFL bash, could you imagine if he got into a wreck and killed someone?  The same people here would be complaining the NFL didnt do enough to help him out.

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OK. I wont even argue. Let's say 100% those are always the exact rules of probation. Do you really believe it should be the job of the NFL to conduct that probation? And that a full season is a logical length of suspension?


I know the NFL is trying to protect its image and all, but I think stuff like this will ultimately end up hurting them.

Pretty simple really. Yes the NFL is right.


NFL is the employer. Gordon is the employee. He knows the rules and takes the risks.


He blew it...again.

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I was going to say similar to this.  If he was working for another corporation with the value of the NFL, he would have been fired a long time ago.  

 

For the people that just want to NFL bash, could you imagine if he got into a wreck and killed someone?  The same people here would be complaining the NFL didnt do enough to help him out.

^^ Yup

 

The NFL because of the collective bargaining agreement isn't very tough on the players in the substance abuse program.  Most corporations where you are using company resources (i.e. Driving a company vehicle), you are flat fired even before a DUI conviction.

 

Drunk driving is absolutely not acceptable and I can understand why he was put on a no alcohol list.  Honestly addiction is awful and I feel for these guys.  You don't have to be an NFL player to have it destroy your life.  When you get the snot beat out of you for a living, alcohol and pain killers are part of "the life".  It is sad very sad.

 

I hope the guy gets it straight for the family.

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^^ Yup

 

The NFL because of the collective bargaining agreement isn't very tough on the players in the substance abuse program.  Most corporations where you are using company resources (i.e. Driving a company vehicle), you are flat fired even before a DUI conviction.

 

Drunk driving is absolutely not acceptable and I can understand why he was put on a no alcohol list.  Honestly addiction is awful and I feel for these guys.  You don't have to be an NFL player to have it destroy your life.  When you get the snot beat out of you for a living, alcohol and pain killers are part of "the life".  It is sad very sad.

 

I hope the guy gets it straight for the family.

 

Exactly and this should be the biggest focus for these guys.  Justin Blackmon comes to mind as well.....It doesn't seem like anyone has a clue how he is doing, but I hope for his own personal health that he has gotten back on track.  I could care less if he ever plays for the Jaguars again.

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I understand this. Don't like it. Never have. NFL is not the law, and they are not probation officers. Just stop. They are digging themselves into a hole. They will never be able to sell the idea that punishments are anything but arbitrary and that their priorities are completely out of order if they continue doing stuff like this.

This policy is one the players agreed to in the CBA.  They signed off on this, and it's their responsibility to abide by the rules they had a hand putting in place. 

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I was going to say similar to this.  If he was working for another corporation with the value of the NFL, he would have been fired a long time ago.  

 

For the people that just want to NFL bash, could you imagine if he got into a wreck and killed someone?  The same people here would be complaining the NFL didnt do enough to help him out.

 

If he worked for anyone else his skill set is such that it would be glossed over. Only in places like a sports league can the best player/employee in the entire world be casually taken out of the entire industry. If you terminated him in the real world where the monopoly on commerce doesn't exist your competition would immediately scoop him up and use him against you.

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If he worked for anyone else his skill set is such that it would be glossed over. Only in places like a sports league can the best player/employee in the entire world be casually taken out of the entire industry. If you terminated him in the real world where the monopoly on commerce doesn't exist your competition would immediately scoop him up and use him against you.

 

What job field are you talking about?  Monopoly on commerce?  Have you been watching Liz Warren and the you didn't build that stuff?  At every level of management and the Union employees across my global company, they would never touch Josh Gordon and his problems.  With the crappy politics and myopic correctness going around, you aren't putting up with troubled employees.  Trust me there is no worry about the competition using someone with alcohol and drugs against us.  In fact the liability for retaining someone working that way is just not worth the risks.  And companies are being regulated to be out of the risk game.

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Gordon is now claiming he didn't think he was being tested for Alcohol consumption any longer and that the positive test result stemmed from a drink he had on a flight with other Browns players.

 

If that's true, besides him being an idiot for not knowing his own testing situation, it's equally as shocking to me that no teammate stopped him.

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Gordon is now claiming he didn't think he was being tested for Alcohol consumption any longer and that the positive test result stemmed from a drink he had on a flight with other Browns players.

 

If that's true, besides him being an idiot for not knowing his own testing situation, it's equally as shocking to me that no teammate stopped him.

 

This is out there now:

 

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-...b5c4e64cf3

 

After reading it you feel bad for the guy.   He says he really has no issues, but for someone to get caught using drugs (this time alcohol) there has to be something there.  He makes the connection of how the NFL makes millions off of alcohol sales, but then suspends him for drinking.  Thats just putting blame on someone else instead of yourself.  

 

He does take a lot of responsibility here, and thats commendable, but he's out another year of football.  Crazy.

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This is out there now:

 

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-...b5c4e64cf3

 

After reading it you feel bad for the guy.   He says he really has no issues, but for someone to get caught using drugs (this time alcohol) there has to be something there.  He makes the connection of how the NFL makes millions off of alcohol sales, but then suspends him for drinking.  Thats just putting blame on someone else instead of yourself.  

 

He does take a lot of responsibility here, and thats commendable, but he's out another year of football.  Crazy.

Seems like he's less of an addict and more of an idiot.

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Seems like he's less of an addict and more of an idiot.

 

I just cant imagine someone not having a slight addiction if they get caught that many times.

 

You could be right...he may just know the rules and not care at all.

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I don't feel bad for him at all. 

 

All though I could certainly be wrong, I don't think it would take much effort to make a phone call to the powers-that-be and ascertain whether or not you can have alcohol after the season ends.

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I don't feel bad for him at all. 

 

All though I could certainly be wrong, I don't think it would take much effort to make a phone call to the powers-that-be and ascertain whether or not you can have alcohol after the season ends.

I don't feel the least bit bad for him.  Most humans would kill for his ability!  He says he's guilty of being young, but i can 100% guarantee you that i wouldn't have screwed up that opportunity when I was his age.

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I don't feel the least bit bad for him.  Most humans would kill for his ability!  He says he's guilty of being young, but i can 100% guarantee you that i wouldn't have screwed up that opportunity when I was his age.

You're absolutely right, youth is not an excuse for stupidity. 

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

I just cant imagine someone not having a slight addiction if they get caught that many times.

 

You could be right...he may just know the rules and not care at all.

 

To me it's one of few things.

 

Either he's an addict and is struggling to admit it, he simply doesn't care or the dude is simply an idiot.  Likely a combination of the three I'd guess and he has a problem.  I hope for his sake he gets himself figured out.  

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