At the risk of appearing eager to get in the last word
, the keyword there is "extremely".

lol now I'm doing the same thing...I would argue that it could be for some people, or that it would be extreamly offensive as one definition, and insulting as a second definition/term...at any rate, we both understand where each other is coming from, and "it is what it is" so I'm good with this...

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Some of those forums are inhabited by paid bashers and paid pumpers...They get paid to trash talk some stocks to try and make people sell so the price goes down and some are paid to pump it up in order to make people think the price is going to explode...Penny stocks are the worst ones for that kind of stuff...The minipulation of penny stocks is outrageous...Pennies are very loosley regulated by The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority but ultimate authority resides with the SEC...Peniies are called OTC (over the counter ) stocks because they are barley looked over so there are more scams than real companies. They are all real companies, but most put out fake news and astronomical revenue projections... They are quite alluring because for a very small investment, you can get millions of shares...Some pennies trade at a fraction of a penny...Like .003 cents per share and some drop even lower and then the company pays a promotion group to send out emails and stock anylsis saying the price per share is going to explode because news is coming out that will blow your minds and people flock to the company to buy shares...

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's true. We already know that the stock market nowadays is practically rigged with the way traders and companies can buy and sell stocks with the help of Supercomputers. Did you watch that 60 Minutes episode about this? It was practically an invisible scheme to most investors until a stock analyst from the Royal Bank of Canada discovered it and blew it wide open.

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It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that's true. We already know that the stock market nowadays is practically rigged with the way traders and investors can buy and sell stocks with the help of Supercomputers. Did you watch that 60 Minutes episode about that? It was practically an invisible scheme to most investors until a stock analyst from the Royal Bank of Canada discovered it and blew it wide open.

yeah...well I didn't see it, but I've heard of the supercomputers...Generally prior to the opening of the stock market and after closing there is still trading going on...Pre-trading and after hours trading are all done by supercomputer...I'm really not sure how it works, but I've read quite a bit about the supercomputer

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yeah...well I didn't see it, but I've heard of the supercomputers...Generally prior to the opening of the stock market and after closing there is still trading going on...Pre-trading and after hours trading are all done by supercomputer...I'm really not sure how it works, but I've read quite a bit about the supercomputer

Just out of curiosity, have you personally worked on Wall Street, or been a part of any investment firms before?

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Not all of them are enemy combatants.

 

Just because someone is in Guantanamo isn't some kind of an indication of them being a combatant.

 

They're not part of an organized national military so therefore they're terrorists at most, and terrorists are criminals, not soldiers.

 

Give them public defenders, give them trials, even if they're not present for them, and if they're found guilty put them in prison with Timothy McVeigh and the white Republican terrorists that are already in federal prison.

This is just rich. Oklahomer, you are completely clueless how our legal system, international law, and this world work. Don't think anymore please.

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Sorry to jump in late, but I just read the rest of the thread and actually feel really sorry for Oklahomer. Not very bright.

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Sorry to jump in late, but I just read the rest of the thread and actually feel really sorry for Oklahomer. Not very bright.

 

Yes, but for you to just jump in and call the guy names is not a rational argument and it's not very interesting, either.   If you think the guy is wrong, say why you think he is wrong.   That's how a political forum ought to operate.   Just saying, "you are clueless, stop thinking please" is just garbaging up the forum. 

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They're not part of an organized national military so therefore they're terrorists at most, and terrorists are criminals, not soldiers.

 

Give them public defenders, give them trials, even if they're not present for them, and if they're found guilty put them in prison with Timothy McVeigh and the white Republican terrorists that are already in federal prison.

 

Wait...

 

They're not terrorists because they aren't included in an organized national military? Which military are these white Republicans serving with, or are they terrorists because they're white Republicans? 

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yeah...well I didn't see it, but I've heard of the supercomputers...Generally prior to the opening of the stock market and after closing there is still trading going on...Pre-trading and after hours trading are all done by supercomputer...I'm really not sure how it works, but I've read quite a bit about the supercomputer

 

It's called front-running.   Say you enter an order for 100,000 shares of Apple.   The order is big enough that it has to go to more than one exchange. 

 

 A high speed trader in another location, sometimes right next door to the exchange, has a high speed fiber-optic line which allows him to see the order get partially filled on one exchange.   He knows the rest of the order has to go to the next exchange to be completed.   His fiber-optic line and supercomputer allow him to get to the next exchange first, buy up the Apple stock that has been offered for sale, and then re-sell it to the guy who needs to buy it to fulfill his order for 100,000 shares.   Some of these people even build their facilities right next to the exchanges in an effort to gain a tiny fraction of time.  The high speed trader makes a tiny amount of money on this trade, but he does this so many times it all adds up the millions of dollars. 

 

If you are a long term buy and hold investor, this hardly affects you at all.  But if you are a high-frequency trader, it becomes an arms race of supercomputers, and high speed fiber-optic lines. 

 

The real victims in this are the mutual funds which have to trade in and out of stocks a lot as people buy or redeem shares. 

 

It was exposed when people who had the job of trading large blocks of stock noticed that when they saw a large block of stock for sale, and made their offer to buy it, the price they actually paid for it was always slightly higher than the price posted on the exchange.  They would say, "I see the offer of 100,000 shares of ABC company, at 37-1/2, but when I buy it, I wind up paying 37-5/8.  It happens every time.  What is going on here?" 

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The majority of the discussion is productive I'd hate to see us lose the forum over a few isolated post.

 

 

One of the main reasons political discussion was banned previously was posts like this.

 

If your meaning is that the level of discussion tends to fall as sides dig into their chosen position and then start spouting dogma then I agree.

 

This particular subject seems to have gone down to my side being: "They're not soldiers of some nation, treating them as prisoners of war is incorrect, they need to be subject to the due process that the constitution guarantees with no stipulation for citizenship or location," and the opposing side being, "Here are some justifications for why we don't want to follow the constitution in this case."

 

I find the latter particularly ironic given the side it tends to come from. (strict constructionists)

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Yes, but for you to just jump in and call the guy names is not a rational argument and it's not very interesting, either.   If you think the guy is wrong, say why you think he is wrong.   That's how a political forum ought to operate.   Just saying, "you are clueless, stop thinking please" is just garbaging up the forum. 

I think it was throughly covered already, but thanks for coming out!

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Just out of curiosity, have you personally worked on Wall Street, or been a part of any investment firms before?

nono...I'm not THAT knowledgable...I'd love to work on Wall Street...I do pretty good with my own investments but I'd be scared to death to handle someone leses money

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If your meaning is that the level of discussion tends to fall as sides dig into their chosen position and then start spouting dogma then I agree.

 

This particular subject seems to have gone down to my side being: "They're not soldiers of some nation, treating them as prisoners of war is incorrect, they need to be subject to the due process that the constitution guarantees with no stipulation for citizenship or location," and the opposing side being, "Here are some justifications for why we don't want to follow the constitution in this case."

 

I find the latter particularly ironic given the side it tends to come from. (strict constructionists)

You can choose to ignore the parts where it has been painstaking explained that the United states Government classifies terrorists as Enemy Combatants which fall under military prosecution if you so choose, but that is the whole thing right there...They are not citizens of the US, so they are not covered by the US constitution...The crimes they commit are outside of the United States jurisdiction (for the most part) and even the ones that ARE in the jurisdiction of the US, are classified as TERRORIST ACTS which once again makes the terrorists ENEMY COMBATANTS and fall under Military prosecution...That's why things are the way that they are

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