Once again, we are bamboozled by someone with an agenda.

 

http://wonkette.com/564064/latino-guy-de...ppens-next

 

"Far from being up to anything fraudulent, the CBA employee, Ben Marin, was simply fulfilling CBA’s commitment to the voters it promised to help, delivering their sealed absentee ballots to the elections office."

 

So what he was doing was completely legal and common. And in fact, at many campaign events in Arizona, Republicans have asked people to bring their completed ballots so they can be collect and turned in at the elections office, JUST LIKE THIS GUY WAS DOING. 

 

**crickets**

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**crickets**

You are not doing outrage correctly. You are supposed to get all sent into a tizzy, stop looking for follow up information, scream conspiracy and liberal agenda until you are blue in the face and then get more outraged. It's really not hard. 

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Once again, we are bamboozled by someone with an agenda.

 

http://wonkette.com/564064/latino-guy-de...ppens-next

 

"Far from being up to anything fraudulent, the CBA employee, Ben Marin, was simply fulfilling CBA’s commitment to the voters it promised to help, delivering their sealed absentee ballots to the elections office."

 

So what he was doing was completely legal and common. And in fact, at many campaign events in Arizona, Republicans have asked people to bring their completed ballots so they can be collect and turned in at the elections office, JUST LIKE THIS GUY WAS DOING. 

 

So the right wing sights are not credible but that blatant left wing slant on the situation is credible? It's down to a he said she said situation, unfortunately we will never know what was really going on.

 

But seriously if you're going to discount the reporting from the right wing sites don't try and say look this is what happened from the left wing sites. fair enough?

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So the right wing sights are not credible but that blatant left wing slant on the situation is credible? It's down to a he said she said situation, unfortunately we will never know what was really going on.

 

But seriously if you're going to discount the reporting from the right wing sites don't try and say look this is what happened from the left wing sites. fair enough?

 

Come on, Eric.  Even the local county elections office is saying there was no fraud, that all he was doing was delivering absentee ballots. 

 

You sound like you are in complete denial.  You believe what you want to believe.  "Don't confuse me with the facts."   Admit it, you were deceived, and you fell for it. 

 

Even some sites that reported it as voter fraud are admitting they were deceived. 

 

Group Accused of Ballot Stuffing Demands Apology

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyf...rizona.php

 

Here's another article:

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2014/10/3...technique/

 

The group who delivered the ballots is filing a defamation suit against the local Republican Party.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2014/10/3...gop-chair/

 

If they were really engaged in ballot box stuffing, would they file a lawsuit?  

 

All the guy was doing was what both parties do: collect absentee ballots from their supporters and deliver them to the elections office. 

 

I don't consider myself liberal or conservative, but I read both versions, one where some guy says he saw something, here is the video, and another version where people actually interview the people involved and give a very rational, believable explanation, which has not been refuted, and it's obvious to me what happened here.   You are just filtering this story through your preconceived bias. 

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Come on, Eric. Even the local county elections office is saying there was no fraud, that all he was doing was delivering absentee ballots.


You sound like you are in complete denial. You believe what you want to believe. "Don't confuse me with the facts." Admit it, you were deceived, and you fell for it.


Even some sites that reported it as voter fraud are admitting they were deceived.


Group Accused of Ballot Stuffing Demands Apology
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/10/voter_fraud_accusation_arizona_republican_party_citizens_better_arizona.php'>http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2014/10/voter_fraud_accusation_arizona_republican_party_citizens_better_arizona.php</a>


Here's another article:
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2014/10/31/ballot-harvest-video-sparks-new-debate-over-banning-arizona-bulk-voting-technique/'>http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2014/10/31/ballot-harvest-video-sparks-new-debate-over-banning-arizona-bulk-voting-technique/</a>


The group who delivered the ballots is filing a defamation suit against the local Republican Party.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2014/10/31/video-and-comments-trigger-defamation-suit-against-county-gop-chair/'>http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2014/10/31/video-and-comments-trigger-defamation-suit-against-county-gop-chair/</a>


If they were really engaged in ballot box stuffing, would they file a lawsuit?


All the guy was doing was what both parties do: collect absentee ballots from their supporters and deliver them to the elections office.


I don't consider myself liberal or conservative, but I read both versions, one where some guy says he saw something, here is the video, and another version where people actually interview the people involved and give a very rational, believable explanation, which has not been refuted, and it's obvious to me what happened here. You are just filtering this story through your preconceived bias.

I haven't followed up on the story since posting the original article. I just fid hypocritical to discount websites with obvious political leanings while using other websites with obvious political leanings to counter the argument.


Of course the party line is nothing to see here we were just dropping off collected ballots what would we expect? You got me?

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I haven't followed up on the story since posting the original article. I just fid hypocritical to discount websites with obvious political leanings while using other websites with obvious political leanings to counter the argument.


Of course the party line is nothing to see here we were just dropping off collected ballots what would we expect? You got me?

 

You find it hypocritical to discount websites with obvious political leanings while using other websites with obvious political leanings? 

 

Isn't that exactly what you are doing? 

 

Eric, any reasonable person would look at both sides of this story and know that this was not a case of vote fraud.  I have given you link after link after link explaining what happened, and you choose to only believe fringe right wing websites and ignore everyone else. 

 

Okay, here's the daily newspaper in Tucson, the Arizona Star, with the story. 

 

http://tucson.com/news/blogs/pueblo-poli...954e5.html

 

"A spokesperson for the Maricopa County Elections Department told the TheBlaze.com that "there’s no investigation" into the incident LaFaro described.

Several groups said the video shows nothing illegal and accusations of voter fraud are baseless."

 

What the man was doing was what every group in Arizona does, including the Republican party- picking up supporters' absentee ballots and delivering them to the elections office.  Every ballot must be signed by the voter and the signatures are compared by the elections office to make sure the ballot is valid.  

 

This was NOT VOTER FRAUD.   You were MISLED.  

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You find it hypocritical to discount websites with obvious political leanings while using other websites with obvious political leanings?


Isn't that exactly what you are doing?


Eric, any reasonable person would look at both sides of this story and know that this was not a case of vote fraud. I have given you link after link after link explaining what happened, and you choose to only believe fringe right wing websites and ignore everyone else.


Okay, here's the daily newspaper in Tucson, the Arizona Star, with the story.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://tucson.com/news/blogs/pueblo-politics/video-of-ballots-being-dropped-off-has-some-concerned/article_b05356bc-14e7-53cf-a363-0b77e0c954e5.html'>http://tucson.com/news/blogs/pueblo-politics/video-of-ballots-being-dropped-off-has-some-concerned/article_b05356bc-14e7-53cf-a363-0b77e0c954e5.html</a>


"A spokesperson for the Maricopa County Elections Department told the TheBlaze.com that "there’s no investigation" into the incident LaFaro described.

Several groups said the video shows nothing illegal and accusations of voter fraud are baseless."


What the man was doing was what every group in Arizona does, including the Republican party- picking up supporters' absentee ballots and delivering them to the elections office. Every ballot must be signed by the voter and the signatures are compared by the elections office to make sure the ballot is valid.


This was NOT VOTER FRAUD. You were MISLED.

I've read the links it looks like you are correct this is not voter fraud. I apologize for the missinfirmation and I'll be more careful in the future.

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I've read the links it looks like you are correct this is not voter fraud. I apologize for the missinfirmation and I'll be more careful in the future.

 

Wow.  Well done. 

 

I do enjoy our interactions.  You are an intelligent guy with some interesting opinions.  

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Wow. Well done.


I do enjoy our interactions. You are an intelligent guy with some interesting opinions.

Same here, I thought the original article talked about a GOP official testifying about the fraud but that's not the case here. To me that would be some concert evidence if either party had official testimony.


The first sight just read like a left leaning bend but like you showed its being widely disputed and the evidence is pretty clearly showing what happend. I'll try to be more careful thanks for correcting me on the issue, either way it's good to get the whole story.

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Still waiting to hear the explanation on how voter ID laws that disenfranchise people who don't own guns or cars would stop the "Voter Fraud" in the OP.

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Still waiting to hear the explanation on how voter ID laws that disenfranchise people who don't own guns or cars would stop the "Voter Fraud" in the OP.

 

Here, it's even got video to help your comprehension difficulties.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...llots.html

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Here, it's even got video to help your comprehension difficulties.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...llots.html

 

What does that have to do with the OPs video?

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What does that have to do with the OPs video?

 

You asked how voter ID laws would stop voter fraud. When O'Keefe can take the Attorney General's absentee ballot then the system has a great big security hole right in the middle of it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You asked how voter ID laws would stop voter fraud. When O'Keefe can take the Attorney General's absentee ballot then the system has a great big security hole right in the middle of it.

 

No, my question was specifically how voter ID laws stop the only kind of voter fraud that anyone has been able to demonstrate exists, the kind that happens in the system itself, not the kind that happens when someone supposedly shows up and claims to be someone they're not. (something that demonstrably is not an issue at all from a statistical standpoint)

 

If someone can stuff the box with fake ballots, or mysteriously misplace a bunch of ballots from a left-leaning district then how does making sure gun owners have an easier time voting than college students actually help the real problem?

 

The actual answer is that it doesn't help, and that voter ID laws are actually just another mechanism of the right to try to repress the reality that the country as a whole actually wants to move away from the extreme right.

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I ran across a story today about the arrest of Christina Ayala and the charges against her for voter fraud.  IMO, due to the integrity of the election process it must be an isolated incident that would never happen again, lol.  Just a thought, but If she had to provide an ID showing her residence lies within each voting precinct/district she allegedly fraudulently voted in, maybe this could have been avoided.

By the way, she is an elected member of the CT House of Reps. 

 

http://www.nhregister.com/government-and...ud-charges

 

http://blog.ctnews.com/connecticutpostin...continued/

 

http://online.wsj.com/articles/hans-von-...1414450805

 

http://ballotpedia.org/Christina_Ayala  (under the “controversies” section)

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Kaishakunin for hire.

* (disclaimer) If you think I'm serious, hit yourself in the face w/ a hammer.

 

No, my question was specifically how voter ID laws stop the only kind of voter fraud that anyone has been able to demonstrate exists, the kind that happens in the system itself, not the kind that happens when someone supposedly shows up and claims to be someone they're not. (something that demonstrably is not an issue at all from a statistical standpoint)

 

If someone can stuff the box with fake ballots, or mysteriously misplace a bunch of ballots from a left-leaning district then how does making sure gun owners have an easier time voting than college students actually help the real problem?

 

The actual answer is that it doesn't help, and that voter ID laws are actually just another mechanism of the right to try to repress the reality that the country as a whole actually wants to move away from the extreme right.

 

Who's talking about not letting college students vote? I don't know where you're coming from no one's mentioned that in this thread or any other thread?

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Who's talking about not letting college students vote? I don't know where you're coming from no one's mentioned that in this thread or any other thread?

 

All he has are the race and class warfare cards.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato