tb has never faced a defense like this.....and the Jags love taking on one man teams

Are you serious? Hes never faced a defense like this? I can spit off a few pass defense that would spin circle around the jags pass d.

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tb has never faced a defense like this.....and the Jags love taking on one man teams

Yeah he has, SB 42 and Super Bowl 46.

Those defense where not even near the top of the league in those praticular seasons. The giants defense was nothing spectacular they played good football down the stretch.

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tb has never faced a defense like this.....and the Jags love taking on one man teams

Are you serious? Hes never faced a defense like this? I can spit off a few pass defense that would spin circle around the jags pass d.

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Yeah he has, SB 42 and Super Bowl 46.

Those defense where not even near the top of the league in those praticular seasons. The giants defense was nothing spectacular they played good football down the stretch.

That the pats have played? No you can't. This pass defense has been playing at a historical level no matter what happened the last game. In fact, the 6th best since 1950. Only 02' bucs, 88' vikes, 70' vikes, 13' seahawks, and 82' dolphins were better. I'll have to look, but somewhere there was a stat that actual said opposing QBs had a better completion percentage kneeling! In addition, this team gets heavy pressure without blitzing. Brady don't like guys in his lap or at his feet. Miami's interior gave Brady hell! Look, the pats are good because they play sound and have Brady who has played in the same system for ages. With that said, don't underestimated this team because you saw a few big plays against this D. That would be as ignorant as saying the pats have no chance because the jags took em behind the woodshed in training camp/preseason.

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tb has never faced a defense like this.....and the Jags love taking on one man teams

Are you serious? Hes never faced a defense like this? I can spit off a few pass defense that would spin circle around the jags pass d.

OK.

Go...

I'll settle for 2 teams as good or better than our pass D.

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Lol the 13 seahawks pass defense is not historically great.
The 2009 ny jets had one of the best seasons in recent histor certainly close to one of the best sonce the 02 bucs. There 1.6% touchdown percentage allowing only 8 td on 501 attempts during the season along with a 51.7 completion percenatge allowed. They also held teams to a 58 passer rating. They also had a better run defense.
Thats just one team. Instead of reading an article that only talks up teams that win championships dig a little into it.

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Lol the 13 seahawks pass defense is not historically great.
The 2009 ny jets had one of the best seasons in recent histor certainly close to one of the best sonce the 02 bucs. There 1.6% touchdown percentage allowing only 8 td on 501 attempts during the season along with a 51.7 completion percenatge allowed. They also held teams to a 58 passer rating.  They also had a better run defense.
Thats just one team. Instead of reading an article that only talks up teams that win championships dig a little into it.

So you can't spit out a few teams that would spin circles around our d? Got it.

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Jacksonville - 31
New England - 28

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Lol the 13 seahawks pass defense is not historically great.
The 2009 ny jets had one of the best seasons in recent histor certainly close to one of the best sonce the 02 bucs. There 1.6% touchdown percentage allowing only 8 td on 501 attempts during the season along with a 51.7 completion percenatge allowed. They also held teams to a 58 passer rating.  They also had a better run defense.
Thats just one team. Instead of reading an article that only talks up teams that win championships dig a little into it.

So you can't spit out a few teams that would spin circles around our d? Got it.

The 2017 Pittsburgh Steelers in the AFC Division Playoff game.

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Are you serious? Hes never faced a defense like this? I can spit off a few pass defense that would spin circle around the jags pass d.

OK.

Go...

I'll settle for 2 teams as good or better than our pass D.

Our defense was on pace to set records... but they fell off in the latter part of the season. They picked it up against the Bills but fell flat against the Steelers. The pass rush has been weak lately (other than Yannick and his strip sacks) and the secondary disappeared last week. 

I don't expect this defense to play historically bad two weeks in a row, but if they do, see ya next season. If they fall flat on their face against NE then it's going to be chalked up to not having playoff experience when it matters with all these youngins. That's all there is to it and if anyone thinks otherwise, they're probably in like for a psych evaluation.

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Lol the 13 seahawks pass defense is not historically great.
The 2009 ny jets had one of the best seasons in recent histor certainly close to one of the best sonce the 02 bucs. There 1.6% touchdown percentage allowing only 8 td on 501 attempts during the season along with a 51.7 completion percenatge allowed. They also held teams to a 58 passer rating.  They also had a better run defense.
Thats just one team. Instead of reading an article that only talks up teams that win championships dig a little into it.

So you can't spit out a few teams that would spin circles around our d? Got it.

Broncos 2015-2016

Seahawks 2013-2014

To take the measure of a defense by stats alone is misleading [b]at best.[/b]

[b]Jags have a good (excellent?) secondary, decent LB's and a great DL. They combine into a defense to be reckoned with. [/b]

All-time great? No.

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Are you serious? Hes never faced a defense like this? I can spit off a few pass defense that would spin circle around the jags pass d.

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That the pats have played? No you can't. This pass defense has been playing at a historical level no matter what happened the last game. In fact, the 6th best since 1950. Only 02' bucs, 88' vikes, 70' vikes, 13' seahawks, and 82' dolphins were better. I'll have to look, but somewhere there was a stat that actual said opposing QBs had a better completion percentage kneeling! In addition, this team gets heavy pressure without blitzing. Brady don't like guys in his lap or at his feet. Miami's interior gave Brady hell! Look, the pats are good because they play sound and have Brady who has played in the same system for ages. With that said, don't underestimated this team because you saw a few big plays against this D. That would be as ignorant as saying the pats have no chance because the jags took em behind the woodshed in training camp/preseason.

So you can't spit out a few teams that would spin circles around our d? Got it.

Broncos 2015-2016

Seahawks 2013-2014

To take the measure of a defense by stats alone is misleading [b]at best.[/b]

[b]Jags have a good (excellent?) secondary, decent LB's and a great DL. They combine into a defense to be reckoned with. [/b]

All-time great? No.

While stats can be misleading some stats arent. A defense that allows 8 passing touchdowns on 500 attempts is certainly a feat that few have done

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So you can't spit out a few teams that would spin circles around our d? Got it.

Broncos 2015-2016

Seahawks 2013-2014

To take the measure of a defense by stats alone is misleading [b]at best.[/b]

[b]Jags have a good (excellent?) secondary, decent LB's and a great DL. They combine into a defense to be reckoned with. [/b]

All-time great? No.

Jackson said we're better than those Broncos
Not sure how you could say those Seahawks D is any better than ours. And you certainly didn't fair great against them, although you did beat them. Our corners are better than theirs were those years and our DL is better.
I don't even care to argue over if we're "historically" great or not.

The argument is whether our D is as great as some the Pats have faced. There was a claim that the Pats have faced a few teams with better Ds that would "spin circles" around our D.
I don't see it.

I've used no stats to back up any of my claims.

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Broncos 2015-2016

Seahawks 2013-2014

To take the measure of a defense by stats alone is misleading [b]at best.[/b]

[b]Jags have a good (excellent?) secondary, decent LB's and a great DL. They combine into a defense to be reckoned with. [/b]

All-time great? No.

Jackson said we're better than those Broncos
Not sure how you could say those Seahawks D is any better than ours. And you certainly didn't fair great against them, although you did beat them. Our corners are better than theirs were those years and our DL is better.
I don't even care to argue over if we're "historically" great or not.

The argument is whether our D is as great as some the Pats have faced. There was a claim that the Pats have faced a few teams with better Ds that would "spin circles" around our D.
I don't see it.

I've used no stats to back up any of my claims.

I thought it was a Jags fan making the 'spin circles' comment. My bad. If it was a Pats fan, I'll have some of what he's smoking.

I have no doubt the Pats are well aware of the strength of the Jags D. I'll be surprised if Brady goes at Ramsey much, if at all...unless he's assigned to Gronk. Then he'll put his faith in #87 to come down with the ball.

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Broncos 2015-2016

Seahawks 2013-2014

To take the measure of a defense by stats alone is misleading [b]at best.[/b]

[b]Jags have a good (excellent?) secondary, decent LB's and a great DL. They combine into a defense to be reckoned with. [/b]

All-time great? No.

Jackson said we're better than those Broncos
Not sure how you could say those Seahawks D is any better than ours. And you certainly didn't fair great against them, although you did beat them. Our corners are better than theirs were those years and our DL is better.
I don't even care to argue over if we're "historically" great or not.

The argument is whether our D is as great as some the Pats have faced. There was a claim that the Pats have faced a few teams with better Ds that would "spin circles" around our D.
I don't see it.

I've used no stats to back up any of my claims.

Why have a discussion with a biased New England fan that has shown in more than a few threads here what he's really here for?

He's one of those Patriot fans that will never admit to anyone having a chance against his team.  Tom Brady, Belicheck, and we have history!  Next he'll try to argue that Brady is playing as good now as he has in the past.

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Lol the 13 seahawks pass defense is not historically great.
The 2009 ny jets had one of the best seasons in recent histor certainly close to one of the best sonce the 02 bucs. There 1.6% touchdown percentage allowing only 8 td on 501 attempts during the season along with a 51.7 completion percenatge allowed. They also held teams to a 58 passer rating.  They also had a better run defense.
Thats just one team. Instead of reading an article that only talks up teams that win championships dig a little into it.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21265...lly-strong

http://www.footballperspective.com/putti...rspective/

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Lol the 13 seahawks pass defense is not historically great.
The 2009 ny jets had one of the best seasons in recent histor certainly close to one of the best sonce the 02 bucs. There 1.6% touchdown percentage allowing only 8 td on 501 attempts during the season along with a 51.7 completion percenatge allowed. They also held teams to a 58 passer rating.  They also had a better run defense.
Thats just one team. Instead of reading an article that only talks up teams that win championships dig a little into it.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21265...lly-strong

http://www.footballperspective.com/putti...rspective/

Facts.

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Jackson said we're better than those Broncos
Not sure how you could say those Seahawks D is any better than ours. And you certainly didn't fair great against them, although you did beat them. Our corners are better than theirs were those years and our DL is better.
I don't even care to argue over if we're "historically" great or not.

The argument is whether our D is as great as some the Pats have faced. There was a claim that the Pats have faced a few teams with better Ds that would "spin circles" around our D.
I don't see it.

I've used no stats to back up any of my claims.

Why have a discussion with a biased New England fan that has shown in more than a few threads here what he's really here for?

He's one of those Patriot fans that will never admit to anyone having a chance against his team.  Tom Brady, Belicheck, and we have history!  Next he'll try to argue that Brady is playing as good now as he has in the past.

At this point in the season ALL fans are biased towards their team. We've all seen the Steelers put up 42 points and the 49ers put up 44 points, and the Titans beat you twice. We've all seen the Bills hold you to 10 points and the Titans hold you to 16 and 10 points. 

NE lost to a bad Dolphins team and had a close game against the Jets. 2 stinkers right there!

On paper, the Patriots should win, but the games aren't played on paper, are they? The biggest factor will be Bortles. NE will score their points. They always do. Which Bortles will show up. The one that finally (and thankfully) shut up the Steelers and their fans, or the one that Buffalo's decidedly average defense made afraid to throw? Over the last 12 games, NE has only given up 14 points a game. Can the Jags score in the 30s? They'll probably need to...

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Oh no, a good defense, what will we do?

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Why have a discussion with a biased New England fan that has shown in more than a few threads here what he's really here for?

He's one of those Patriot fans that will never admit to anyone having a chance against his team.  Tom Brady, Belicheck, and we have history!  Next he'll try to argue that Brady is playing as good now as he has in the past.

At this point in the season ALL fans are biased towards their team. We've all seen the Steelers put up 42 points and the 49ers put up 44 points, and the Titans beat you twice. We've all seen the Bills hold you to 10 points and the Titans hold you to 16 and 10 points. 

NE lost to a bad Dolphins team and had a close game against the Jets. 2 stinkers right there!

On paper, the Patriots should win, but the games aren't played on paper, are they? The biggest factor will be Bortles. NE will score their points. They always do. Which Bortles will show up. The one that finally (and thankfully) shut up the Steelers and their fans, or the one that Buffalo's decidedly average defense made afraid to throw? Over the last 12 games, NE has only given up 14 points a game. Can the Jags score in the 30s? They'll probably need to...

It could be possible that they don't. Let's not forget this:

[video=youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lk-wWUQKBg[/video]

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I always find pre-game trash talking amongst fans amusing.

I don't engage in it just in case I look like a prick following a loss.

Alternatively, once the game is over, if we've won, I can justifiably be a prick about it.

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80% of what I talk about is nonesense.. the other 25% is made up statistics...


 

I always find pre-game trash talking amongst fans amusing.

I don't engage in it just in case I look like a prick following a loss.

Alternatively, once the game is over, if we've won, I can justifiably be a prick about it.

That's the way to play it.

"Tom Brady on Jaguars: 'Best team we’ve faced all season"
Stephen Hewitt Tuesday, January 16, 2018

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patri...all_season

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