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Who should be the first QB taken in the draft?

#21

I like

1.-Baker Mayfield
2.-Lamar Jackson
3.-Josh Allen
4.-Sam Darnold
5.-Josh Rosen
6.-Mason Rudolph
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#22

(04-12-2018, 07:35 PM)Andy G Wrote: I think that in reality the answer is that the Browns should go for the safest pick, because they can’t really afford to screw this opportunity up.

It’s not the sexy pick, but that could mean Josh Rosen.

Rosen is the complete package. He's a very smart QB and naturally talented. 

I think he's going to be the best of the crop and make a couple teams upset they passed on him. 

I wish it was the 26th
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#23
(This post was last modified: 04-13-2018, 10:29 AM by Kane.)

My list

Starters
Mayfield
Rosen
Rudolph

Eventual starters (should sit for a year)
Darnold
Jackson
Falk

Projects and/or surprises
Allen
Lauletta
White
Litton

Just my opinion based on my limited knowledge and resources.
I've seen a lot of Mayfield and Rudolph games, quite a few of Jackson's. Everyone else I'm going off reels and draftniks' info along with some gut feelings based on interviews and stats and competition info.

(04-13-2018, 01:08 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: I like

1.-Baker Mayfield
2.-Lamar Jackson
3.-Josh Allen
4.-Sam Darnold
5.-Josh Rosen
6.-Mason Rudolph

Interesting you have Rosen and Rudolph so low... Why so low on them... or why so high on Jackson/Allen?
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#24

Mayfield is the best QB in this draft class by a mile. He's mobile. He creates time in the pocket. He's a great scanner of the field. He doesn't leave the pocket too early. He's very, very accurate.

He just has three things against him. His height, his arrest and his immaturity that he displayed on the football field. If he was five inches taller and didn't have a history of being a [BLEEP] on and off the field he's a slam dunk pick to the Browns this month.
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#25

I'm not as big a fan of this class as a lot of folks are. I've got no dog in the fight.

If I were selecting, I'd have to take a closer look to fit in the offense (which I have not done.)

I like Mayfield most because he's had consistent success and a proven leader, but concerned about his height and maturity. Darnold seems consensus but I can't find anything that's special or outstanding about him that supports that, you'd like to see more success. Allen I believe as others do he's got the highest potential and a rare arm, though he's got long odds to beat to prove he's more than his albeit short resume. I think Rudolph could be the safest pick of them all (for the value) and might go higher than some think, though I'd love to have him here if he's available.

All have flaws/concerns that keep them from being head and shoulders above one another. Some say Darnold is, but like with Goff - I don't think he'll be the best of the class when all is said and done.
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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...4629988352
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(04-13-2018, 05:40 PM)pirkster Wrote: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...4629988352


I don't get how anyone can actually watch Allen play and then grade him that high.
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(04-13-2018, 05:51 PM)Jags02 Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 05:40 PM)pirkster Wrote: https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...4629988352


I don't get how anyone can actually watch Allen play and then grade him that high.

To me, it's because he's only played two years and his flaws (in my opinion) are coachable.

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a portion of his incompletions are due to poor decision making and risk taking.

His arm is in a class of it's own vs his peers.  That could be weighing very heavily on the score.

Obviously, the assessment of this class is opposite of my own (I think they're all being overrated/overvalued) but I don't do this for a living.  I was really surprised to see them all that high.  I'm not sold that this is some special class.  I think that's just what a lot of folks want to be true for the sake of a good story.
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#29

(04-13-2018, 10:27 AM)Kane Wrote: My list

Starters
Mayfield
Rosen
Rudolph

Eventual starters (should sit for a year)
Darnold
Jackson
Falk

Projects and/or surprises
Allen
Lauletta
White
Litton

Just my opinion based on my limited knowledge and resources.
I've seen a lot of Mayfield and Rudolph games, quite a few of Jackson's. Everyone else I'm going off reels and draftniks' info along with some gut feelings based on interviews and stats and competition info.

(04-13-2018, 01:08 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: I like

1.-Baker Mayfield
2.-Lamar Jackson
3.-Josh Allen
4.-Sam Darnold
5.-Josh Rosen
6.-Mason Rudolph

Interesting you have Rosen and Rudolph so low... Why so low on them... or why so high on Jackson/Allen?


I don't watch college football so don't take me too seriously here.

This is from all I've read, watched (which is not a lot) and the "feel" on each of them.

Mayfield - First I watched a video of every throw in one game, he impressed me from the very first one, very accurate, quick release, smart, confident... confidence is really needed for a QB, yeah he can be a lil cocky but I don't think it will be a problem.

Jackson - Aside from all his running and athletic ability, it looks like with good coaching he can become a real good QB. Accurate enough, quick release.

Allen - Needs a lot of work but the talent seems to be there, we all know about the arm, athletic ability etc. Same as Jackson, they need a good coach, if he goes to the Bills or Jets I can see him ending up like a bust. 

Darnold - Long throwing motion, may not be a slow release but is not fast. USC. I think the pressure of being a high draft pick and a NFL QB can become too much for him

Rosen - I don't get the "Rosen is purest passer in the draft", I just don't see it, to me that's Mayfield. He does looks smart and accurate but what Jim Mora said about him makes me think Rosen is not gonna be a successful NFL QB, he said "He needs to be challenged intellectually so he doesn’t get bored. He’s a millennial. He wants to know why. Millennials, once they know why, they’re good. Josh has a lot of interests in life. If you can hold his concentration level and focus only on football for a few years, he will set the world on fire. He has so much ability, and he’s a really good kid.” That's sounds to me like the guy doesn't really love football enough, he doesn't care enough. I just know I wouldn't touch Rosen with a 1st round pick and I'd bet some money he ends up being an average starter at best.

Rudolph - not very impressed by his game vs Oklahoma. Nothing in his game really jumps at me to say he can be a good QB in the NFL.
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(04-13-2018, 06:08 PM)pirkster Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 05:51 PM)Jags02 Wrote: I don't get how anyone can actually watch Allen play and then grade him that high.

To me, it's because he's only played two years and his flaws (in my opinion) are coachable.

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that a portion of his incompletions are due to poor decision making and risk taking.

His arm is in a class of it's own vs his peers.  That could be weighing very heavily on the score.

Obviously, the assessment of this class is opposite of my own (I think they're all being overrated/overvalued) but I don't do this for a living.  I was really surprised to see them all that high.  I'm not sold that this is some special class.  I think that's just what a lot of folks want to be true for the sake of a good story.


His poor accuracy is only one of my concerns. A greater concern is his inability to sense pressure and complete lack of poise in the pocket reminding me of Blaine Gabbert. Developing a feel for pressure is not something you can really teach. You tend to either have it or you don't, and in this case, we're talking about a guy who runs from ghost pressure and gets happy feet way to easily. 
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