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Maason Smith healthy scratch last week


(12-30-2024, 07:42 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Maason Smith - 3 sacks
Devoid Hamilton - 0 sacks

Hamilton is one of the best run stopping NTs in the league. He needs to get better at pressuring the QB though.
https://twitter.com/AcccountStat/status/...0407820624
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(12-30-2024, 07:46 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(12-30-2024, 07:42 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Maason Smith - 3 sacks
Devoid Hamilton - 0 sacks

Hamilton is one of the best run stopping NTs in the league. He needs to get better at pressuring the QB though.
https://twitter.com/AcccountStat/status/...0407820624

Seahawks building something special in that interior DL.
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(12-30-2024, 06:40 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(12-29-2024, 10:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Pay not attention to the muckraker. He doesn't know a damn thing about why Smith was scratched.


And Cole Van Lanen was the highest rated OLman in the Preseason but it took a trade and 2 serious injuries to even get him on the field. I guess he was doing some undefined behavioral thing or something too, right? Lol.

Oh come one, dude.  It's clear that the team doesn't know how to utilize the talent it has.  Wingard has seen no playing time until recently, even though he was also healthy.

You said in another comment that you hope Armstead will be utilized better.

But pointing out that Smith was a healthy scratch is muckracking?  

This coaching staff hasn't been good at using our players in the right position for 2 years now.  It's not crazy to think that we are waisting good players.  So Maason Smith was a health scratch for the first 3 months of the season because he was too fat?  All while our entire D was looking like they were lost?  They couldn't use our 2nd Rounder that was expected to start, just because he was too fat?  That's just silly.

He said Smith was scratched for a disciplinary reason. I said Smith wasn't ready to play then he got injured, as rookies, especially Baalke's picks usually aren't (see Strange, B., Bigsby, C.) He said the Smith looked good in preseason, I said so did CVL who also wasn't playing. So you can stuff it; there was no conspiracy, no fight between GM and HC, just a rookie who wasn't ready to go in September and didnt earn his way into the rotation until recently. Hopefully that's past us as it is with the other guys who had unproductive early campaigns.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(12-30-2024, 08:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-30-2024, 06:40 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Oh come one, dude.  It's clear that the team doesn't know how to utilize the talent it has.  Wingard has seen no playing time until recently, even though he was also healthy.

You said in another comment that you hope Armstead will be utilized better.

But pointing out that Smith was a healthy scratch is muckracking?  

This coaching staff hasn't been good at using our players in the right position for 2 years now.  It's not crazy to think that we are waisting good players.  So Maason Smith was a health scratch for the first 3 months of the season because he was too fat?  All while our entire D was looking like they were lost?  They couldn't use our 2nd Rounder that was expected to start, just because he was too fat?  That's just silly.

He said Smith was scratched for a disciplinary reason. I said Smith wasn't ready to play then he got injured, as rookies, especially Baalke's picks usually aren't (see Strange, B., Bigsby, C.) He said the Smith looked good in preseason, I said so did CVL who also wasn't playing. So you can stuff it; there was no conspiracy, no fight between GM and HC, just a rookie who wasn't ready to go in September and didnt earn his way into the rotation until recently. Hopefully that's past us as it is with the other guys who had unproductive early campaigns.
You do know Smith played week 1 right? So that is false lol.
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(12-30-2024, 06:40 PM)carp8dm Wrote:
(12-29-2024, 10:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Pay not attention to the muckraker. He doesn't know a damn thing about why Smith was scratched.


And Cole Van Lanen was the highest rated OLman in the Preseason but it took a trade and 2 serious injuries to even get him on the field. I guess he was doing some undefined behavioral thing or something too, right? Lol.

Oh come one, dude.  It's clear that the team doesn't know how to utilize the talent it has.  Wingard has seen no playing time until recently, even though he was also healthy.

You said in another comment that you hope Armstead will be utilized better.

But pointing out that Smith was a healthy scratch is muckracking?  

This coaching staff hasn't been good at using our players in the right position for 2 years now.  It's not crazy to think that we are waisting good players.  So Maason Smith was a health scratch for the first 3 months of the season because he was too fat?  All while our entire D was looking like they were lost?  They couldn't use our 2nd Rounder that was expected to start, just because he was too fat?  That's just silly.

WINGARD????

wut?

LOL
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(12-30-2024, 09:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-29-2024, 11:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Van Lanen was a G and actually had his chance in a few games because of injuries the last few years and didnt look very good.  Ever since his move to T hes been our best backup and looks like a damn good swing T.


Yeah, they talked about it on 1010XL

So what you're saying is CVL played great in preseason but couldn't get on the field and it wasn't because of some nefarious rivalry between coach and GM or because the player created some undefined disciplinary problem "behind closed doors" then? Good, glad you've come to your senses about why Maason Smith was scratched earlier in the year then.  Rolleyes

Not to overstate the obvious, but CVL has so much bad tape out there that it was always going to take more than a little preseason flash to get him on the field  - and that turned out to be injury/necessity.

Glad he looks like a good back up tackle and all, but... I'm still not convinced he's anything more than solid backup material.
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It was Hamilton thay forced the pressure with smith that forced the qb to get out the pocket that alloed maason to get rhe sack
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(12-30-2024, 08:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(12-30-2024, 08:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He said Smith was scratched for a disciplinary reason. I said Smith wasn't ready to play then he got injured, as rookies, especially Baalke's picks usually aren't (see Strange, B., Bigsby, C.) He said the Smith looked good in preseason, I said so did CVL who also wasn't playing. So you can stuff it; there was no conspiracy, no fight between GM and HC, just a rookie who wasn't ready to go in September and didnt earn his way into the rotation until recently. Hopefully that's past us as it is with the other guys who had unproductive early campaigns.
You do know Smith played week 1 right? So that is false lol.

Yeah, and? He didn't play week 2 because he wasn't outperforming the vets to get on the Game Day. Then he didn’t do much and got hurt in London missing November with an ankle. Again, he was scratched an early game and didn't do much on the field the first couple months. You guys acted this way the year before with rookies and it worked out then too. Wasn't some big deal, just a part of NFL life that you get your knickers bunched over for no reason and Carp uses to cry more.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(12-31-2024, 12:11 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(12-30-2024, 09:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: So what you're saying is CVL played great in preseason but couldn't get on the field and it wasn't because of some nefarious rivalry between coach and GM or because the player created some undefined disciplinary problem "behind closed doors" then? Good, glad you've come to your senses about why Maason Smith was scratched earlier in the year then.  Rolleyes

Not to overstate the obvious, but CVL has so much bad tape out there that it was always going to take more than a little preseason flash to get him on the field  - and that turned out to be injury/necessity.

Glad he looks like a good back up tackle and all, but... I'm still not convinced he's anything more than solid backup material.

Me either, he's played pretty well so far though. He was just the example I was using for comparison about preseason play. Could've used Chad Owens I guess.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(12-31-2024, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 12:11 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Not to overstate the obvious, but CVL has so much bad tape out there that it was always going to take more than a little preseason flash to get him on the field  - and that turned out to be injury/necessity.

Glad he looks like a good back up tackle and all, but... I'm still not convinced he's anything more than solid backup material.

Me either, he's played pretty well so far though. He was just the example I was using for comparison about preseason play. Could've used Chad Owens I guess.
CVL has played for us in the regular season before than just here recently, not just the preseason.  I remember one play where Scherrf got hurt, he came in and the first play got destroyed.  He had a rough time everytime he came in at G it seemed.
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(12-30-2024, 07:46 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(12-30-2024, 07:42 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Maason Smith - 3 sacks
Devoid Hamilton - 0 sacks

Hamilton is one of the best run stopping NTs in the league. He needs to get better at pressuring the QB though.
https://twitter.com/AcccountStat/status/...0407820624
It's what Hamilton has always been, a run stopping NT.  With that said the eye test doesn't match his grade against the run this year.  He's definitely been better this year than last but he still gets pushed around a bit and our run D has been horrendous the 2nd half of the year.  Smith needs to work on his run D.
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(12-31-2024, 08:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Me either, he's played pretty well so far though. He was just the example I was using for comparison about preseason play. Could've used Chad Owens I guess.
CVL has played for us in the regular season before than just here recently, not just the preseason.  I remember one play where Scherrf got hurt, he came in and the first play got destroyed.  He had a rough time everytime he came in at G it seemed.

Yeah, all 16 snaps he took at guard over two seasons weren't very good. But he's a tackle not a guard, not every tackle is just suddenly a good guard though lots of people seem to believe that.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(12-31-2024, 10:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 08:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: CVL has played for us in the regular season before than just here recently, not just the preseason.  I remember one play where Scherrf got hurt, he came in and the first play got destroyed.  He had a rough time everytime he came in at G it seemed.

Yeah, all 16 snaps he took at guard over two seasons weren't very good. But he's a tackle not a guard, not every tackle is just suddenly a good guard though lots of people seem to believe that.

I didn't like it at first but maybe it was a good thing for Doug to punish Smith for a few games earlier in the season to let Smith know he needs to keep his weight in check and stay in shape.
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(12-31-2024, 10:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 10:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Yeah, all 16 snaps he took at guard over two seasons weren't very good. But he's a tackle not a guard, not every tackle is just suddenly a good guard though lots of people seem to believe that.

I didn't like it at first but maybe it was a good thing for Doug to punish Smith for a few games earlier in the season to let Smith know he needs to keep his weight in check and stay in shape.

I thought Smith was a "Second Half Guy" when they took him. He really didn't play a lot in college and I thought the jump to the pros would be hard on him. He's looking better and I hope the trend continues. I just don't get fired up about how rookies look the first year, the NFL is its own world and these kids need some time to adapt.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(12-31-2024, 08:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 08:24 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Me either, he's played pretty well so far though. He was just the example I was using for comparison about preseason play. Could've used Chad Owens I guess.
CVL has played for us in the regular season before than just here recently, not just the preseason.  I remember one play where Scherrf got hurt, he came in and the first play got destroyed.  He had a rough time everytime he came in at G it seemed.

That's what I meant when I said he had lots of bad tape out there. 
His fill in duty prior to this late season 2024 stint has been plain bad.

(12-31-2024, 10:23 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 08:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: CVL has played for us in the regular season before than just here recently, not just the preseason.  I remember one play where Scherrf got hurt, he came in and the first play got destroyed.  He had a rough time everytime he came in at G it seemed.

Yeah, all 16 snaps he took at guard over two seasons weren't very good. But he's a tackle not a guard, not every tackle is just suddenly a good guard though lots of people seem to believe that.

Playing tackle may be the key for him, indeed.
Hard to imagine this regime playing guys at the wrong spot, huh?
SMH

Same for Walker Little - and he seems to need to play the left side exclusively. 
Health and positional inflexibility are his greatest issues.
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