Like I said, in a trade back sure. But im not taking any olineman at 1 over Hunter or probably even over Graham and maybe Johnson if healthy.  We know who is eligible and I dont see any id take over Hunter and probably a couple more players as well.

You strike me as a guy with a fart can exhaust on your 2012 Kia Optima.

That's because you don't understand the analogy. It's ok, it's a pretty complex exercise in abstract thinking.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You have zero clue man.  Sanders made that comment but Hunter is his own man.  When we hire a good GM and bring in Ben Johnson or another good coach Hunter will want to be the 1st overall pick and the 1st corner taken with the 1st in NFL history. Jax will be a great spot for Hunter opposite Campbell and Jones at nickel.

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Once again, there is other ways to adddress the oline other than taking a lesser player and passing on blue chip All Pro players.  Sounds like the previous regimes.

Hunter went to Jackson State for him. And then followed him to Colorado. Hunter is going to do whatever the [BLEEP] Deion wants him to do.

Hunter might still be the first overall pick, but it won't be to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Yes, he wanted to play for Deon because he is a corner and Prime is the best corer to ever play the game.    Prime won't be Hunter's agent.  Jax will be a better spot than a lot of other teams at the top of the draft..  Hunter will want to be the top in the draft.

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Hunter went to Jackson State for him. And then followed him to Colorado. Hunter is going to do whatever the [BLEEP] Deion wants him to do.

Hunter might still be the first overall pick, but it won't be to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Yes, he wanted to play for Deon because he is a corner and Prime is the best corer to ever play the game.    Prime won't be Hunter's agent.  Jax will be a better spot than a lot of other teams at the top of the draft..  Hunter will want to be the top in the draft.

It's gonna be another Eli Manning situation.

I'll bet you money that if we have the top pick, we either trade back or we pick someone besides Hunter.

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Is there really any HC candidate who will (or would have) chosen the NO job over Duval? That's career suicide until they get out from under that revolving dead money albatross.

Yay, our job is better than career suicide! Or are we just a different means of death?

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Because yeah, HE's the problem there.

Anybody who says the league caters to the big markets doesn't pay attention to the NY franchises, that is for certain.

I'm not sure what you mean , I was being serious I do think Daboll can do big things with TLAW and BTJ.

It was more a criticism of the boneheadedness in NYC. Daboll being fired would just be another in the laundry list of bad choices the owner has allowed the GM to make.

If they let him go, I would absolutely give him an audience. If they let him go, there might be debate whether NYC or NO are the worst openings out there.

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So basically us fans are now in the terrible position of rooting for the lions to mercilessly annihilate us this weekend

Good I hope they beat us by 60.

so close!

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Okay, so we know that well-placed sources are saying that something might happen today, and something might happen as a result.

The Rappaport article was more confident. 

It pointed out that everyone is at fault per the sources. 

Aka it may be a full house clean finally

/has toilet scrubber in hand
NO KLINGONS FLUSH IT ALL AWAY

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Okay, so we know that well-placed sources are saying that something might happen today, and something might happen as a result.

"eventual regime change"  Even if we lose today it might happen on Black Monday and im ok with that. It doesnt matter to me either way im already in full draft mode.

...thing is, based on yesterday it doesn't matter if we have the coaches we have on the sideline or if we have any other jabroni there. If that's the case, why keep the spoiled milk in the fridge?

Mac has to be so upset right now, Trevor being hurt probably cost him a decent deal from anyone who would have offered him based on his time in Boston. He can't complete anything >10 yards downfield.

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Whoever we bring in, I hope the coahes uses a FB

...so someone else can get stuffed behind the line of scrimmage?
cool.

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Wouldn't it be crazy if Shad Khan is all ready to pull the trigger Monday, but we win the game today?  The conference room is reserved, the lawyers have signed off, severance packages have been prepared, and then... oops. 

We already know we can't win when we need to win, the question for today is, can we lose when we need to lose?

I'd say we overachieved.

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Fix the OL ... AND find an OL coach that makes a difference

Some fodder here for coaching matters and for building a roster with depth and versatility https://twitter.com/mike_e_kaye/status/1...Ie5OPeqkhg

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Firing everyone now would feel good but ultimately does it matter if done now or when season is over?  The longterm GM and head coach won't be hired until the offseason no matter what.

I think if you were the HC we could have managed 6 pts too.

So yeah, in the grand scheme of things, it does not matter. But if you think anyone on staff has a shot at becoming a coach, changing the malaise that is going to infect this franchise, you cut bait and give the fresh meat their shot. It's the only way to redeem SOMETHING of this stinkerroo of a season.

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I hate this logic. Like if you know you're firing him anyways the question in my mind shouldn't be why now? It should be why not now? I mean the benefits are that if say the interim takes over and does amazing, you got to try a new person at the helm and maybe keep them. You also send a message to other coaches and players that the team isn't messing around anymore, perform or you're gone. What's the benefits to keeping him?

I don't care one way or the other but it doesn't matter which direction they go. Unless there is someone on the staff they think has longterm potential (which i hope they dont), then yes that would make sense but otherwise it doesn't matter.

Remember when we had mel tucker finish the season for del Rio and then we hired malarkey? Or when we had Bevell finish for Meyer and then brought in pederson? Did it matter in the slightest we didn't let del Rio and Meyer finish the season? No. Or what about when they gave marrone the chance to finish for Bradley and then we kept marrone? Probably made us worse off cuz marrone didn't work out either.

It's similar to those stories at the end of each losing season where we talk about finishing strong to carry into next year. It's always silly of course because it doesn't carry over. It never does. 

The last 6 games of this year are completely meaningless. The only thing that could have any impact is if a player we will count on next year suffers a major injury that will limit their practice time with whichever coaching staff we bring in this offseason.

Again I don't care what they do. Today or after last game of the season. I'm just saying it will make zero difference. It just doesn't matter at all other then making fans feel good.

Yes, it very much did.

You have players on the roster under contract that need leadership, development, and opportunity. If you keep subjecting them to poison, eventually they turn ill. Get the disease gone as soon as you discover it.

Most teams don't fire coaches when they are winning, or have potential to win. So yeah, would make a bit of sense to say interim coaches rarely fare well. Usually the move comes when the last bit of patience has worn.

The Aints are 2-0 under their interim. Is he the next Tom Landry? Probably not. But the mindset of the team changed, the approach changed, and the funk of disappointment has changed. They probably won't win out, they probably won't make the playoffs, they probably will have a different coach next year. Allen wasn't it, and they needed to move on, plain and simple. Saving it for the end of the year wasn't going to benefit them in any way, other than not having to change the nameplates on offices.

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Someone posited on whether Ryan Nielsen would ever work as a DC again. The same goes for Doug as HC. He's set a definite pattern of capturing lightning in a bottle for the first two or three season and then faceplanting. He'll end up as an OC somewhere with the agreement that his boy Press can't come along.

Doug's gonna sit at home and enjoy time with the grandkids. I don't see him even pursuing another major position. He doesn't seem to have that fire that you see in coaches that keep chasing vacancies.

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https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status...2173460947

It’s the worst loss in franchise history by far. This team is as untalented as an expansion team. Needs a full reset and roughly 40 new players for the roster. Anyone who feels otherwise is looking at this with teal glasses on. A top 10 worst nfl team all time.

That's the thing, on paper, nothing says they should be this bad. That's the entire reason why coaching on both sides of the ball need to be sacked.

They're either unaware how to use the guys that they have, or they are putting so much on these guys that they have no idea where they should be or what they should be doing on a play.

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Couldn’t agree more.
And we can’t draft Sanders.  You know it would be an Eli Manning situation.

Oh heavens, people are advocating drafting Sanders to this team? Lol.

@Silly, you don't darft head corches@

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What?  He has always been a CB.  He will need development as a WR.  If a team gives up the farm sure im trading back but if not as of right now im taking Hunter.  Who are you taking in the 1st at oline?

C'mon man, it's 4 months before we even know who will be in the draft at this point. But this team desperately needs some big powerful men in the trenches.

on the plus side, if you take a CB early he'll get plenty of reps when the O makes threes and out a habit.

WIN-WIN!

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It’s the worst loss in franchise history by far. This team is as untalented as an expansion team. Needs a full reset and roughly 40 new players for the roster. Anyone who feels otherwise is looking at this with teal glasses on. A top 10 worst nfl team all time.

That's the thing, on paper, nothing says they should be this bad. That's the entire reason why coaching on both sides of the ball need to be sacked.

They're either unaware how to use the guys that they have, or they are putting so much on these guys that they have no idea where they should be or what they should be doing on a play.

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Oh heavens, people are advocating drafting Sanders to this team? Lol.

@Silly, you don't darft head corches@

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C'mon man, it's 4 months before we even know who will be in the draft at this point. But this team desperately needs some big powerful men in the trenches.

on the plus side, if you take a CB early he'll get plenty of reps when the O makes threes and out a habit.

WIN-WIN!

Naw, the oline will be fixed in FA as well as the 2nd and or 3rd round picks.

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One thing about Campbell, Anthony Lynn was his OC in his first year, he realized he wasnt the guy and could get better play calling out of the offense. He fired Lynn after his first year and promoted Ben Johnson to OC and the offense took off. Just goes to show what change can do and a upgrade at play calling. Doug won't fire Press regardless of results. It doesn't matter if we are lat in offense Doug still won't make a change. He needs to be fired on that alone. He fired the wrong coordinator last year and hired someone worse. Doug is a horrendous coach at this point, he doesn't make changes to the offense and do whatever it take to try to improve. Our offense could be 32nd again next year and he still wouldn't fire Press, results doesn't matter to him or he would have already made a change on offense

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Yes, he wanted to play for Deon because he is a corner and Prime is the best corer to ever play the game.    Prime won't be Hunter's agent.  Jax will be a better spot than a lot of other teams at the top of the draft..  Hunter will want to be the top in the draft.

It's gonna be another Eli Manning situation.

I'll bet you money that if we have the top pick, we either trade back or we pick someone besides Hunter.

(this is the fire doug thread)

Sanders' comment was bizarro Manning. Namely, if the Gints try to darft Sanders, he ain't gonna let him play there. (At least not while Schoen is the GM)
There may be some other teams that he don't like with QB needs (oh HAI, Carolina), but I have a feeling that the no-go list is very small, and there's not really anything to worry about here, assuming we clean house and start anew.

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There's are some advantages to hiring Bill Belichick.  Firstly, he can be hired right now, assuming we satisfy the Rooney Rule, and secondly, hiring him right now would give him a long up-close look at this roster before we reach the off-season.  He can have Baalke tell him why he drafted this or that player, and he can see for himself, up close, whether that player has the talent to merit the pick.  In other words, if we don't fire Baalke also, then Belichick can evaluate Baalke by evaluating the players over the next 6 games.

And if we can't satisfy the Rooney rule that quickly, or if Khan and Belichick can't reach an agreement quickly enough, then he can hire Belichick as a consultant and let him watch all the practices and stand on the sideline during the last 6 games.

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There's are some advantages to hiring Bill Belichick.  Firstly, he can be hired right now, assuming we satisfy the Rooney Rule, and secondly, hiring him right now would give him a long up-close look at this roster before we reach the off-season.  He can have Baalke tell him why he drafted this or that player, and he can see for himself, up close, whether that player has the talent to merit the pick.  In other words, if we don't fire Baalke also, then Belichick can evaluate Baalke by evaluating the players over the next 6 games.

And if we can't satisfy the Rooney rule that quickly, or if Khan and Belichick can't reach an agreement quickly enough, then he can hire Belichick as a consultant and let him watch all the practices and stand on the sideline during the last 6 games.

You could just make him Interim without the Rooney Rule requirements today then *wink, wink* satisfy them in the offseason if you wanna keep him longer term.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

There's are some advantages to hiring Bill Belichick.  Firstly, he can be hired right now, assuming we satisfy the Rooney Rule, and secondly, hiring him right now would give him a long up-close look at this roster before we reach the off-season.  He can have Baalke tell him why he drafted this or that player, and he can see for himself, up close, whether that player has the talent to merit the pick.  In other words, if we don't fire Baalke also, then Belichick can evaluate Baalke by evaluating the players over the next 6 games.

And if we can't satisfy the Rooney rule that quickly, or if Khan and Belichick can't reach an agreement quickly enough, then he can hire Belichick as a consultant and let him watch all the practices and stand on the sideline during the last 6 games.

You could just make him Interim without the Rooney Rule requirements today then *wink, wink* satisfy them in the offseason if you wanna keep him longer term.

Brian Flores would EASILY satisfy the Rooney Rule and he SHOULD actually be a legitimate and viable candidate anyway. Flores deserves another chance at being a head coach in my opinion. 

Agreed with Belichick being in the building now though. Wouldn't hurt. Khan just needs to man up and move on already so we can start the process. Regardless of what he's going to do hiring wise.

Baalke. Out. Pederson. Out. It's as simple and as plain as that.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Pederson is soft. He's all good as long as things are going good. As soon as the pressure builds he fades away. Soy soft.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

Just gonna leave this here for your consumption:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWW3jdVmv7I

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Makes me sick listening to him

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