Oooh she told me

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Think of it as a way to distribute your backs, TEs, and WR personnel, with the assumption you have 5 total.  The order of the two numbers goes backs, TEs, with the understanding that WRs fill the rest. 

So:

11 is 1 back, 1 TE, 3 WRs
12 is 1 back, 2 TE, 2 WRs
21 is 2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WRs

Or at least that’s what I’ve always been taught.

I hear 11 personnel and 12 personnel often but not 21 personnel. I think it is 10, 11, and 12. The number 21 makes no sense.

10 would be 1 back, 0 TE, 4 WRs or what’s commonly known as 4 Wide.  

I tried to explain why 21 makes sense above.  But again, I suppose teams could use different terminology, this is just what I’ve thought to be pretty universally accepted in my 20+ years of football study.

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RedRooster explained it correctly. There is also the 22 jumbo sets that we currently lead the league in using.

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We miss big Roy. Marks was also a lot better against the run than Jackson

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I hear 11 personnel and 12 personnel often but not 21 personnel. I think it is 10, 11, and 12. The number 21 makes no sense.

10 would be 1 back, 0 TE, 4 WRs or what’s commonly known as 4 Wide.  

I tried to explain why 21 makes sense above. But again, I suppose teams could use different terminology, this is just what I’ve thought to be pretty universally accepted in my 20+ years of football study.

OK I get it, if you remove the letters around the numbers 2 RBs and 1 TE make 21. I was thinking it should be 13 to continue with consecutive numbers.

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10 would be 1 back, 0 TE, 4 WRs or what’s commonly known as 4 Wide.  

I tried to explain why 21 makes sense above. But again, I suppose teams could use different terminology, this is just what I’ve thought to be pretty universally accepted in my 20+ years of football study.

OK I get it, if you remove the letters around the numbers 2 RBs and 1 TE make 21. I was thinking it should be 13 to continue with consecutive numbers.

No worries, glad to help.

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The first play should of been whistled dead.  Once the back hits the ground.  But they were in jets stadium.  And had to favor them. 

But regardless. You can't be good at all things all the time.  It was a blown play and the D can't be perfect all the time.  

That is where a good QB makes up for the errors.  Unfortuntaly we don't have that as of this year.   Next year will Definatly see a difference.

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What's "11"? Running out of "11", etc.?

Don't attack me, just explain it so I can keep up.

No prob, I got you. 

Think of it as a way to distribute your backs, TEs, and WR personnel, with the assumption you have 5 total.  The order of the two numbers goes backs, TEs, with the understanding that WRs fill the rest. 

So:

11 is 1 back, 1 TE, 3 WRs
12 is 1 back, 2 TE, 2 WRs
21 is 2 backs, 1 TE, 2 WRs

Or at least that’s what I’ve always been taught.

Thanks, Rooster. It all makes sense now.

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Its a product of our personnel now but also our gap control and run fits are way off.

Yannick is an awful run defender (elite young pass rusher),

Fowler is a solid run defender

Malik is a good pass rusher but is playing at around 280

Abry Jones is a good rotational DT. More so a disruptive 3 tech who can moonlight at nose than a true run stuffing DT. Roy Miller was an elite run defender with some disruption to his game and is missed.

Calais has always been a pretty good run defender where ever he has played..I don't see much issue with him.

Telvin and Jack are both elite run and hit type linebackers. Great going sideline to sideline, they make big plays and are decent in coverage but they ain't the guys you want blowing up blocks. Even though Jack isn't actually too bad at it.

Poz's bread and butter is run defense and he's still damn good at it.

Church needs to be confident in his run fits but that's kinda a product of the Dline not clogging up correctly.

Part of it is fixable with some tweaks here and there but overall this is the trade off we have made. Elite pass defense unit, elite pass rushing unit, elite team speed on defense but just doesn't have the dogs to stop the run efficiently.

The Broncos have been an elite unit for years and it's only this year they've really managed to shutdown the run in an effective way.

Hopefully major adjustments are made for Sunday for Bell will put up career stats against us.

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Great post JC. Apparently it is coaching, not talent, that makes a difference in the run defense. I got that idea from the Broncos, whose run defense improvements correlates with the hiring of a DC for the HC job. We have a former OL for a HC. Going back to his stint in Buffalo, could we have seen a run defense implosion coming?

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The defensive line should be more dominant against run. I realize that Ngakoue is the better pass rusher and its almost damn near impossible to think about taking him off the field, but it makes more sense in theory to have Fowler out there on 1st down. I am not proposing that notion yet, but hey if it continues you gotta think about it. Also, I think we are seeing the result of inexperience from Jack which I totally expected. He wasn't a full time linebacker in college and was put through all three LB positions last season. When he played he mostly saw time at strong side. I'd say give it time, because it appears as though Jack is a very fast learner and special talent and will get guys lined up in the gaps appropriately with more experience. There is a lot of studying that goes on being a MLB in the NFL, and I am sure Poz is there along the way helping him out. He has improved upon many aspects of his game from preseason week 1 so I just think we are seeing a learning curve. This week will be extremely tough against a whole different type of RB. Bell is extremely patient and can be very frustrating. This week is more important on gap control and I am sure the emphasize this week is on gap control.

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The defensive line should be more dominant against run. I realize that Ngakoue is the better pass rusher and its almost damn near impossible to think about taking him off the field, but it makes more sense in theory to have Fowler out there on 1st down. I am not proposing that notion yet, but hey if it continues you gotta think about it. Also, I think we are seeing the result of inexperience from Jack which I totally expected. He wasn't a full time linebacker in college and was put through all three LB positions last season. When he played he mostly saw time at strong side. I'd say give it time, because it appears as though Jack is a very fast learner and special talent and will get guys lined up in the gaps appropriately with more experience. There is a lot of studying that goes on being a MLB in the NFL, and I am sure Poz is there along the way helping him out. He has improved upon many aspects of his game from preseason week 1 so I just think we are seeing a learning curve. This week will be extremely tough against a whole different type of RB. Bell is extremely patient and can be very frustrating. This week is more important on gap control and I am sure the emphasize this week is on gap control.

I also am a patient fan with new players, especially Dante Fowler because he tore his ACL and was a year late learning the defense. However, I have noticed despite having a better, more disciplinary HC this season, #56 is still being called for penalties. He is really slow to cut those out. Yannick is better at following game rules and did not rough the passer in the Texans game, although I have heard referees call out #91 too.

Myles Jack cross-trained during training camp, but only played on the strong side in the regular season last year. When asked to switch places with Paul Posluszny this year he wasn't good at all and moved back outside.

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Abry Jones is a good rotational DT. More so a disruptive 3 tech who can moonlight at nose than a true run stuffing DT. Roy Miller was an elite run defender with some disruption to his game and is missed.

This is the underrated point I was making on reddit the other day. Abry went from backup 3 tech to emergency starting 1 tech after Roy Miller got hurt, and while he did overachieve it was kind of weird that the team just left the role entirely to him going forward when it was already a stretch to begin with.

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Abry Jones is a good rotational DT. More so a disruptive 3 tech who can moonlight at nose than a true run stuffing DT. Roy Miller was an elite run defender with some disruption to his game and is missed.

This is the underrated point I was making on reddit the other day. Abry went from backup 3 tech to emergency starting 1 tech after Roy Miller got hurt, and while he did overachieve it was kind of weird that the team just left the role entirely to him going forward when it was already a stretch to begin with.

Remember when people were calling Abry Jones a noticeable upgrade over Roy Miller and happy we re-signed him in the offseason?

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Abry Jones is a good rotational DT. More so a disruptive 3 tech who can moonlight at nose than a true run stuffing DT. Roy Miller was an elite run defender with some disruption to his game and is missed.

This is the underrated point I was making on reddit the other day. Abry went from backup 3 tech to emergency starting 1 tech after Roy Miller got hurt, and while he did overachieve it was kind of weird that the team just left the role entirely to him going forward when it was already a stretch to begin with.

I guess that's why we saw them go after Poe and Hankins a bit. Perhaps surprising we didn't bring in that kind of body type though. Stefan Charles looked like a decent nose in preseason and he was a big guy from what I recall.

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Remember when people were calling Abry Jones a noticeable upgrade over Roy Miller and happy we re-signed him in the offseason?

No I do not remember that. Everyone loved Roy Miller, he just suffered two major injuries. We also like Abry, but I think most realize he's not in the role best suited for him. They're significantly different players so it's kind of hard to say one is an upgrade over the other.

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I don’t think Abry is the issue, I do remember being glad we re-signed him, and I still am. He hasn’t been spectacular, but he also hasn’t been on the field for all of our bad run defense plays, and I’d throw a little more blame on Malik and our LBs misidentifying gap fills.

Surprisingly, our young DEs have actually done a pretty solid job of setting the edge against the run. Where we’re getting gashed is up the middle with missed gap control. Part of why they’re able to spring big runs is because of the nature/structure of how we typically play D. We don’t leave much “insurance” against runs up the middle with the way we direct our secondary. We gear to stop the pass. Hence leading the league in sacks and having one of the top pass defenses in the league.

But if you’re gonna scheme that way, it’s absolutely imperative that the front seven all be on the same page, know their gap assignments, and execute. It also leaves little room for missed tackles. Again, I think we’ll get it cleaned up, and I’m more excited about how effective Ramsey/Bouye have been, but until we do clean it up, it’s a very serious concern.

5.7ypc is absolutely atrocious.

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This is the underrated point I was making on reddit the other day. Abry went from backup 3 tech to emergency starting 1 tech after Roy Miller got hurt, and while he did overachieve it was kind of weird that the team just left the role entirely to him going forward when it was already a stretch to begin with.

I guess that's why we saw them go after Poe and Hankins a bit. Perhaps surprising we didn't bring in that kind of body type though. Stefan Charles looked like a decent nose in preseason and he was a big guy from what I recall.

Not many DTs weight 340 pounds. That is a good thing if you believe John Madden, who said huge linemen can't make all the moves they need to because of their excess weight.

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Are you seriously saying the strong safety isn't needed on running plays?

She's using new meth.  Be patient.

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I don’t think Abry is the issue

He's not THE issue, but if we're looking for solutions replacing him with a traditional run stuffing DT like Roy/Pot Roast is about the only option. As you said the rest of the defensive pieces are pretty locked in.

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