[BLEEP] and Lewis you can't cut because their not under contract next year

Poz is hitting free agency after the season which is why I'm advocating trading him now before the deadline to a team that can use him to get over the top like the Packers or Patriots.

Lewis has one more year in the books. If they cut him before March they could save his entire $3.75 mil cap hit for 2018... or they can pay him $250,000 in March allowing them to make a decision later on. If they cut him after March 1 (or whenever his option bonus is due) but before the season starts, they still save the remaining $3.5 mil.

Poz is suited for a 4-3 defense and likes it better. IIRC he said something like that after joining the Jaguars.

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This move is to help the run defense. But he seems to be a player in full decline so I hope we don't get burnt in the long run. But maybe this move will help rejuvenate him. Also he will no longer be getting guaranteed money after the 2018 season so he may essentially be a 2 year and done guy with us.

Full decline?

I just read things today saying last week was his best game all year.  He's only 27.

Yes, he had ten sacks in 14 and not nearly as many in the next two seasons, but he switched from a 4-3 in 2014 to a 3-4 in '15 and '16.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I broke it down a couple times in the past couple pages and posted links to exactly what the $$. No need for the 'something like that' estimations.
It's right there for all to see lol.
Regardless, I think it's just as simple as the old saying 'if it's too good to be true, it probably is'.
Again, maybe he turns it around - I sincerely hope he does.
But this wasn't an exclusive deal to the Jags.
The Bills have been trying to trade him rather than just cut him since he got sent home.
Anyone could have had him for a bag of football's.
We are lucky we didn't have to pay someone picks to take him.
Like I mentioned obviously saint Doug was ok with this or it doesn't get made but when he left BUF, Dareus was the 1st one blasting him in the media for all the bridges he burned here etc.
Again, I don't mean to be all doom and gloom.
Getting a new weapon is fun.
I just hope he turns into that weapon. The jags must have seen something none of the other teams did bc anyone actually WILLING to give anything could have had him.
Seems TC helped get this team in trouble in 1999 with $$. Hopefully this won't hurt if he remains who he's been for 3+ years.
It was a TERRIBLE contract that never should have been given out.
Buffalo just had a complex about keeping their own at that time and he made it clear he wasn't signing for anything less bc he's selfish. Another reason a restructure shouldn't just be assumed

I think Dareus is going to work out great for us.

Don't you worry about $$$ either. Bortles, ivory, malik....are just 3 guys that could be cut to save money. I think those 3 guys right there are somewhere around 35 million. 

The front office knows what they're doing.

Why cut Malik for Dareus?

Who will be QB if you cut Bortles?

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All possible cuts and savings for 2018:

Lewis - $3.75 million
Jackson - $9.5 million
Bortles - $18 million
Ivory - $4 million
Parnell - $5 million
Hurns - $7 million

Unless I'm missing someone (which is possible), I didn't see anyone else that we would have any real financial gain by cutting. The problem is that if we cut Bortles, Parnell, or Hurns, then we don't have anyone serviceable behind them. Ivory is all but gone IMO. If we cut Ivory and Hurns, we can sign Robinson for a $10 million-ish 1-year prove it deal.

What I foresee happening is that they sign Bortles to a 3-year $30 million-ish deal which would eliminate a lot of extra cash on his current $18 million number, release Ivory / Hurns, and sign Robinson to a prove-it deal. This would give us a couple years to develop another QB and figure out if we need to sign Robinson to a bigger contract.

Wow, they have a lot tied up in that DL.

I hate to use the word "renegotiation" because it reminds me of the trouble we got into with Michael Huyughe trying to keep the '99 roster intact. However, Linder might be a prime candidate because his deal was front loaded. They could easily shave about $6 mil off Linder's cap hit with a fat signing bonus that's split up against the cap over his remaining years. 

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This move is to help the run defense. But he seems to be a player in full decline so I hope we don't get burnt in the long run. But maybe this move will help rejuvenate him. Also he will no longer be getting guaranteed money after the 2018 season so he may essentially be a 2 year and done guy with us.

Full decline?

I just read things today saying last week was his best game all year.  He's only 27.

Yes, he had ten sacks in 14 and not nearly as many in the next two seasons, but he switched from a 4-3 in 2014 to a 3-4 in '15 and '16.

The bills front office has been making terrible decisions for years now. Their gm has no idea what he's doing. I'm glad Dave and Tom took advantage of that and brought in a guy that's low risk, massive reward. 

Also stated, even if he isn't AS good as his 2014 self, even currently he's one of the best DTs in the game. With the right coaching and players around him, he's going to be dangerous.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Wow, they have a lot tied up in that DL.

I hate to use the word "renegotiation" because it reminds me of the trouble we got into with Michael Huyughe. However, Linder might be a prime candidate because his deal was front loaded. They could easily shave about $6 mil off Linder's cap hit with a fat signing bonus that's split up against the cap over his remaining years. 

We just extended Linder a few weeks ago. Tom Coughlin had to know what the financial effect of acquiring new players is when he and Linder agreed on a front-loaded contract.

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Yea the guys on the book equate to -1M in cap next year...

That doesn’t include our 30 million in roll over cap space or the most likely 10-15 million cap increase next year.

Don't count on those "most likely" increases. The boycotts have most likely wiped them out. We might even see something like a $5 mil decrease per team. ...but there still should be roll-over money.

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'02

That doesn’t include our 30 million in roll over cap space or the most likely 10-15 million cap increase next year.

Don't count on those "most likely" increases. The boycotts have most likely wiped them out. We might even see something like a $5 mil decrease per team. ...but there still should be roll-over money.

Boycotts have nothing to do with it. Only you are bringing it up.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Nothing says fixing the position like handing the reins of a Super Bowl aspiring team to a rookie QB.

It will not fix the position next season, but when a rookie QB is ready to take over, his cheap contract would allow us to keep Dareus beyond 2018/

I'm hoping we get a rookie QB in the draft this year to potentially take over. The idea would be to keep Blake one more season at $19 mil while the rookie simply takes up the normal first round pick cap hit and is groomed for a season as the backup QB. I love seeing that Henne isn't even on the 2018 roster. The idea is basically to set up a situation much like the Chicago Bears are in this year with Glennon and Trubisky. If Blake struggles mid-season, insert our first round pick while possibly trading Blake. If Blake doesn't struggle let him ride out the season and then let him walk with possibly a 3rd round comp pick in our future.  Either way, our new first round rookie QB would take over as the full-time starter in 2019.

This is my mind is the best bet because even at his best, it's tough to rely on Blake and his arm fatigue issues long-term. The team so far is doing an awesome job limiting his throws in order to save his arm hopefully for the entire season. 

I find myself often wondering if we could just ask Blake to take a pay cut

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Don't count on those "most likely" increases. The boycotts have most likely wiped them out. We might even see something like a $5 mil decrease per team. ...but there still should be roll-over money.

Boycotts have nothing to do with it. Only you are bringing it up.

My being the only one to bring it up doesn't make it any less true. The Boycotts have EVERYTHING to do with it.

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'02

All possible cuts and savings for 2018:

Lewis - $3.75 million
Jackson - $9.5 million
Bortles - $18 million
Ivory - $4 million
Parnell - $5 million
Hurns - $7 million

Unless I'm missing someone (which is possible), I didn't see anyone else that we would have any real financial gain by cutting. The problem is that if we cut Bortles, Parnell, or Hurns, then we don't have anyone serviceable behind them. Ivory is all but gone IMO. If we cut Ivory and Hurns, we can sign Robinson for a $10 million-ish 1-year prove it deal.

What I foresee happening is that they sign Bortles to a 3-year $30 million-ish deal which would eliminate a lot of extra cash on his current $18 million number, release Ivory / Hurns, and sign Robinson to a prove-it deal. This would give us a couple years to develop another QB and figure out if we need to sign Robinson to a bigger contract.

Rivera and Nortman.

Even though he said "only possible," I figure he was talking about significant cap hits by saying "any real financial gain cutting." 

Cutting Rivera would save $1.25 mil, however, he's in the same situation as Marcedes in that they'd have to cut him before the option bonus deadline usually around March 1st. He's due a $250,000 to keep into the OTAs and beyond, and I don't see why they wouldn't. Rivera was a looking to be a huge pass catching threat at TE this season before his injury, and they're really going to need him if we don't keep Marcedes. I figure he gets the $250,000. If they cut him later on, he'd save $1 mil.

Nortman is our punter. The guy has had some outstanding days too, although some days he looks drunk out there. Same deal with Norton as he's due a $125,000 option bonus, but they'd still save his additional $2,125,000 if they cut him later on presuming they could find a young, cheap punter who beats him out in training camp and the preseason.

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'02

Some of you guys are killing me with the Hurns getting cut! I mean really? Do you remember how many years we chased Jimmy Smiths replacement?? Troy Edwards, Reggie Williams, John Broussard, Matt Jones, Wilford, Troy Williamson, and the list goes on.

Hurns goes for 1000 yards and 10 TDs with Bortles at QB and some of you want him cut??

Lee has the same QB and his best year is 800 yards and 3 TDs.

Come on guys.

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Some of you guys are killing me with the Hurns getting cut! I mean really? Do you remember how many years we chased Jimmy Smiths replacement?? Troy Edwards, Reggie Williams, John Broussard, Matt Jones, Wilford, Troy Williamson, and the list goes on.

Hurns goes for 1000 yards and 10 TDs with Bortles at QB and some of you want him cut??

Lee has the same QB and his best year is 800 yards and 3 TDs.

Come on guys.

Agreed, although I wouldn't really compare Hurns to Jimmy Smith. They're different types of receivers. I see him as more of a Keenan McCardell type.

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Some of you guys are killing me with the Hurns getting cut! I mean really? Do you remember how many years we chased Jimmy Smiths replacement?? Troy Edwards, Reggie Williams, John Broussard, Matt Jones, Wilford, Troy Williamson, and the list goes on.

Hurns goes for 1000 yards and 10 TDs with Bortles at QB and some of you want him cut??

Lee has the same QB and his best year is 800 yards and 3 TDs.

Come on guys.

Um, let's be fair here.  Hurns did that with Bortles looking like an average to above average QB, Lee did that with Bortles looking like an absolute mess.  It's ridiculous to say that Bortles was the same QB in 2016 as he was in 2015.

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Spotrac has Abry as cuttable. They have him at $3.5 mil if kept, and at $3 mil if cut. It's just not ideal because they could wait one more season and Abry would have zero dead money. For that extra $500,000 next year we might as well hang onto him.

I would keep him next year as a backup. He is just not starter material.

Also, in order to get the $500,000 savings, they'd have to cut him before he works out in the OTAs. They have to give him a $500,000 check as soon as he works out.

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'02

Why are some posters indicating the the Bills actually got a fifth round pick?

Because the 6th round pick we traded becomes a 5th round pick if certain events take place, and as I vaguely recall, they are pretty likely things, like him being on the roster March 1, or something like that.

It says the 5th round possibility is performance-based, so it's for doing something in games during the season... like Being active for so many games or getting a certain number of sacks or even something related to his performance such as making the pro bowl or the team making the Playoffs.

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'02

Not literally Jimmy Smiths replacement but the fact of having a WR that can go over 1000 yards and score 10 TDs is nice.

Cut Lee before Allen Hurns.

And for the other guy....just saying, Lee and Hurns have the same QB. Lee is so over rated by some people it's sick. He's a dime a dozen.

Side Note - Westbrook will be the best of them all very soon...

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Absolutely a concern. I had a barroom conversation the other night about this with a guy who said that everyone assumes the cap will rise every year but that this year it may actually fall. I was very surprised when I walked into the 'bank for the Rams game and saw all the empty seats in the East side upper deck.

Winning may well cure or mitigate it but it's a valid concern, at least in Jacksonville.

The cap is determined by the tv money not money from tickets and sell. The tv check has been cut already. The cap is going up

Aren't they all related, though, ET? I (obviously) don't know how it works but are you saying that the TV contract(s) alone determine the cap through the end of the contract(s)? Then the TV renegotiation process will determine what the next cap levels will be? That makes sense if so.

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Not literally Jimmy Smiths replacement but the fact of having a WR that can go over 1000 yards and score 10 TDs is nice.

Cut Lee before Allen Hurns.

And for the other guy....just saying, Lee and Hurns have the same QB. Lee is so over rated by some people it's sick. He's a dime a dozen.

Side Note - Westbrook will be the best of them all very soon...

Lee will be a FA after the season, so he is likely gone anyway. He is definitely overrated by a lot of people here though.

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The cap is determined by the tv money not money from tickets and sell. The tv check has been cut already. The cap is going up

Aren't they all related, though, ET? I (obviously) don't know how it works but are you saying that the TV contract(s) alone determine the cap through the end of the contract(s)? Then the TV renegotiation process will determine what the next cap levels will be? That makes sense if so.

So this is maybe the simplest explaination I could find:

https://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html

[url=https://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html][/url]The tv contracts alone do not determine the salary cap but the tv contracts are worth so much money they contribute to roughly about 67% or the cap. The other 33% is a combination of NFL licensing (jerseys, video games basically anything with a team logo or nfl shield) and ticket sales. The licensing contributes to about 30% of the 33% remaining money. About 3% is ticket sales, maybe less and that money is only split between the two teams playing. 

So that was more hyperbole on my behalf. No the entire salary cap in not dependent on the tv contracts but the bulk of it comes from the tv contract and another large chuck comes from the licensing. Ticket sales are a drop in the bucket interms of determing the salary cap.

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