Boom or bust move. Hoping he comes here with his head right. We have good chemistry on D now. If he has a toxic attitude, will be quick to notice.

I'm thinking they feel like the chemistry and leadership in the locker room is strong enough for that not to become an issue.  Campbell, Ramsey, Poz, Jackson, Church etc are all good leadership guys and I don't expect Dareus to be a problem.

For what they gave up for him this seems like a win/win move and I sincerely think a change of scenery will get Dareus back on track.

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Boom or bust move. Hoping he comes here with his head right. We have good chemistry on D now. If he has a toxic attitude, will be quick to notice.

I'm thinking they feel like the chemistry and leadership in the locker room is strong enough for that not to become an issue.  Campbell, Ramsey, Poz, Jackson, Church etc are all good leadership guys and I don't expect Dareus to be a problem.

For what they gave up for him this seems like a win/win move and I sincerely think a change of scenery will get Dareus back on track.

Especially Campbell. I read #93 is a leader by example and is helping Fowler keep his head straight. Marrone obviously knew what he was getting into because they were together in Buffalo, which I think is the key for preventing locker room discord.

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I see this as a low risk, high reward situation. If Dareus comes in and pushes Abry & Ankou to get better, great. If he comes in and flounders, then let him walk. I personally feel this teams makeup has a way of pushing competition and getting players to buy-in. I don't think Dareus's history of bad attitude will phase this group. Assimilate or get to steppin!! It would be nice if he could come in and do work at the NT position.

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I see this as a low risk, high reward situation. If Dareus comes in and pushes Abry & Ankou to get better, great. If he comes in and flounders, then let him walk. I personally feel this teams makeup has a way of pushing competition and getting players to buy-in. I don't think Dareus's history of bad attitude will phase this group. Assimilate or get to steppin!! It would be nice if he could come in and do work at the NT position.

I was telling my co-worker that it’s a good thing because if he comes in and is disruptive, either his teammates or the FO won’t put up with it.

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You either die as a good poster, or live long enough to become the troll.

they just need to legalize weed. the dudes coming off of probation (like Martavious Bryant & M. Dareus) get a little on edge when their medicinal substance is taken away.

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I see this as a low risk, high reward situation. If Dareus comes in and pushes Abry & Ankou to get better, great. If he comes in and flounders, then let him walk. I personally feel this teams makeup has a way of pushing competition and getting players to buy-in. I don't think Dareus' history of bad attitude will phase this group. Assimilate or get to stepping! It would be nice if he could come in and do work at the NT position.

I was telling my co-worker that it’s a good thing because if he comes in and is disruptive, either his teammates or the FO won’t put up with it.

Giving up only a sixth round pick for someone Doug Marrone has coached before and has only one year left of guarantees is what I like about it. Going after a guy with two drug test failures in recent years is not so smart. Will leaders in the locker room help him keep drugs out of his body?

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Bills fans seem to be shocked and upset Buffaglo only got a sixth rounder out of it.

https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/1...ksonville/

With all due respect, when you say something like that you should probably have some sort of idea what you are talking about.
I'll spare you the rehortic, but this regime is cleaning the mess that Whaley and Rex brought upon this team. 
Their play and their actions have been night and day.
Both franchises seek to have figured things out for the time being and are on the rise
I like the Jags and am familiar to a degree bc my father lives in the area.
Let's not pretend either are a model franchise though.
Both have issues, and neither are the cream of the crop of the NFL. Very similar teams.
There was hope a return to 4-3 would set him off again this yr and he'd return to form.
Sadly, he couldn't get on the field and when he did he found a new way to get into trouble, get injured, or make a dumb play. 
This move wasn't a GM going rouge, this was something that NEEDED to happen whether it be paying someone to take him or a cut. He was the lone guy who couldn't get on board. 
My ONLY point was essentially you guys got yourselves a player who could turn it around....but, maybe not. 
Only time will tell.
Just know, he was given a babysitter as well as every opportunity conceivable and then some to figure it out and he couldn't.
He will go down in BUF history as one of their biggest busts behind Williams, Maybinn, McGahee either way now that his time with the team is through

(Emphasis added to last line)

He was a two time Pro Bowler.  None of the guys you grouped with him even came close to that.  Why in the world would you choose to lump him in with them?!?  I'm no Bills fan, but I follow them enough to know there is ZERO way you can sensibly lump Aaron Freaking Maybin in the same caliber of player as Marcell Dareus, even factoring in the suspensions.

Here are Maybin's career stats

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...ybAa99.htm

For those not inclined to click, I will save you the trouble.  Maybin had a 4 year career, only two of which were with Buffahole.  He had SIX (6) career sacks, none of which were with Buffahole.  He started all of ONE (1) game with the Bills in his two years there, and registered 25 total tackles in his career.  Marcell Dareus eclipsed just about all of those totals in his rookie year alone, only finishing a half sack behind Maybin's career sack total, which is particularly telling considering Maybin was an edge rusher and Dareus was a DT!!!

That alone lets me know you are another butt hurt Bills fan.

The fact is, the Jaguars have a long history in fleecing the Bills in trades.

You gave us a top ten first round pick and a 4th round pick for Rob Johnson.  You gave us a 3rd and a 5th for our pro bowl DT Marcus Stroud, while we gave up a 6th (5th round at worst) for your Pro Bowl DT.

This is simply the latest.  He doesn't have to completely regain his Pro Bowl form to be worth the deal.  All he has to do is stop the run.  If he comes close to being the pass rusher he was there, it's gravy.

Gee wiz man... 
It's pretty easy to lump him in with that group just by simply taking into account that the contract he was given was anchored by the big expectations that came along with it.
Even if he didnt keep going to the pro bowl, he was at least expected to be productive. 
He wasn't.
That simple.
Would you be happy if Bortles came out and made the pro bowl 2x in his 1st 4 years, you then made him the highest paid player on your team and then he proceeded to get multiple suspensions, cause problems, and hurt the teams performance?
No, you wouldnt. You'd consider him a bust - and even more so b/c of the hindrance he caused to your cap.
I cant even imagine what would happen if he remained in BUF and got another strike or worse -makes him sit for AN ENTIRE YEAR!!!!!.
At the end of 2013, he was late for team meetings twice.
Marrone benched him for a quarter in a game against Miami as punishment, then the day after the game, he was late again, so in the final game against the Patriots, he was benched for a half.
Five months later, in a span of about 30 days in May 2014, he was arrested on a synthetic drug-possession charge back home in Alabama.
Then he lost control of his car and slammed into a tree outside a restaurant in the Buffalo suburb of Hamburg while he was drag racing with teammate Jerry Hughes.

More substance abuse issues resurfaced while Ryan was in town, and Dareus was suspended by the league for one game at the start of the 2015 season.
Then got nailed again and had to sit out the first four games of 2016.
In between, he did a 30-day stint in rehab (though it turned out it was at One Bills Drive, not at a rehab facility) and announced that he had been afflicted with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder since he was younger.
This year he was sent home bc he was too cool to ride the bus with the team to the game even after he was told he needed to....
So....DONT COME AT ME WITH FREAKING AARON MAYBINS STATS like you know whats up.
The fact that you are totally yippie skippy about this without taking into account that theres a possibility this dosent turn out the way you think it does tells me you might not know that much about football...
Seriously, linking aaron freaking maybins stats.... good god man.
For as bad as Maybin was, at least he didnt come with all the baggage.
Dareus didn't seem to be missed yesterday.
In fact, it was nice not having to watch out for his bone headed play of the game. 
He was traded bc he was far more of a distraction than he was worth.
Again, no one trades a superstar for peanuts.
If its too good to be true, it probably is.
These are just simple facts of not only this situation, but life in general.
Did you stop to consider if it was THAT big of a fleecing, maybe you would have had to give more than a 6th bc teams would be lining up around the block for his services even with his contract?

I assure you, there is no butt hurtedness here.
Quite a callus has been built up over the last 17 years.
Uninformed folks on message boards aside, this was a universally celebrated trade amongst fans. 
Again... if this is such a bang up move for the jags, i don't get why there is sooo much reassuring going on.

It's a gamble plain and simple...

See? because you decided to be ignorant to the situation and insulting, you've got me bashing... which wasnt my intent as I contend I liked the kid. He seems to have a big heart and although he will remain a bust in BUF, I sincerely hope he finds his way and regains his form. The league could use a success story rather than another clown having everything handed to him and blowing it....

And just so I dont get some smart response about 'gee, it sounds like you really like him' he did do excellent things away from the field and seems to have a big heart....
https://buffalowdown.com/2016/11/22/marc...s-charity/
(which counts for NOTHING during game day mind you... but its nice)

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Bills fans seem to be shocked and upset Buffaglo only got a sixth rounder out of it.

https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/1...ksonville/

(Emphasis added to last line)

He was a two time Pro Bowler.  None of the guys you grouped with him even came close to that.  Why in the world would you choose to lump him in with them?!?  I'm no Bills fan, but I follow them enough to know there is ZERO way you can sensibly lump Aaron Freaking Maybin in the same caliber of player as Marcell Dareus, even factoring in the suspensions.

Here are Maybin's career stats

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...ybAa99.htm

For those not inclined to click, I will save you the trouble.  Maybin had a 4 year career, only two of which were with Buffahole.  He had SIX (6) career sacks, none of which were with Buffahole.  He started all of ONE (1) game with the Bills in his two years there, and registered 25 total tackles in his career.  Marcell Dareus eclipsed just about all of those totals in his rookie year alone, only finishing a half sack behind Maybin's career sack total, which is particularly telling considering Maybin was an edge rusher and Dareus was a DT!!!

That alone lets me know you are another butt hurt Bills fan.

The fact is, the Jaguars have a long history in fleecing the Bills in trades.

You gave us a top ten first round pick and a 4th round pick for Rob Johnson.  You gave us a 3rd and a 5th for our pro bowl DT Marcus Stroud, while we gave up a 6th (5th round at worst) for your Pro Bowl DT.

This is simply the latest.  He doesn't have to completely regain his Pro Bowl form to be worth the deal.  All he has to do is stop the run.  If he comes close to being the pass rusher he was there, it's gravy.

Gee wiz man... 
It's pretty easy to lump him in with that group just by simply taking into account that the contract he was given was anchored by the big expectations that came along with it.
Even if he didnt keep going to the pro bowl, he was at least expected to be productive. 
He wasn't.
That simple.
He didn't seem to be missed yesterday.
In fact, it was nice not having to watch out for his bone headed play of the game. 
He was traded bc he was far more of a distraction than he was worth. Again, no one trades a superstar for peanuts.
I assure you, there is no butt hurtedness here.
Quite a callus has been built up over the last 17 years.
Uninformed folks on message boards aside, this was a universally celebrated trade amongst fans. 
Again... if this is such a bang up move for the jags, i don't get why there is sooo much reassuring going on.

It's a gamble plain and simple...

Who is the one that needs reassuring? The bills fan that hopped on the jaguars message board just to cryptically talk crap about the guy that you shipped off for a 6th round draft pick to make you and your team feel justified?

Think about that for a second.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Lol no one needs reassurance but you. You came to our board to explain why y’all got fleeced with a sixth round pick. Not once did you mention the change in scheme possibly causing his decline in production.

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Bills fan guy

Don't you think we all know it's a gamble? But it's a gamble I'd make 10 times out of 10. Bills are paying a lot for Dareus to come play for the Jags for a year and a half. If it doesn't work out, Jags cut him after 2018 season with no dead money.

It's clear Dareus and the new management team didn't get a long. Randy Moss and the Raiders didn't get along and traded him to the Pats..... Terrible move for the Pats!

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Bills fan guy

Don't you think we all know it's a gamble? But it's a gamble I'd make 10 times out of 10. Bills are paying a lot for Dareus to come play for the Jags for a year and a half. If it doesn't work out, Jags cut him after 2018 season with no dead money.

It's clear Dareus and the new management team didn't get a long. Randy Moss and the Raiders didn't get along and traded him to the Pats..... Terrible move for the Pats!

The absolute worst case scenario is that we have to cut him at the end of this year....even then we take a 7M dead cap hit while removing his 10M Cap.

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It's a gamble. Absolutely.

We just happen to be in a good position to take this particular gamble at the moment.

The potential benefit to our run defense makes it worth the roll of the dice. The opt-out clause after the 2018 season makes it even more palatable.

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I'm sure a lot of Buffalo fans would like to spin this as getting rid of a player who needed to go.   But another way to look at it is, Buffalo got a new coach and a new GM, they were handed a young underachieving player who had played at a pro bowl level, and they failed to turn him back around. 

I see this all the time.  I new regime takes over and they start chucking players out the window because they're not "my type of player."  Or "they don't fit the culture."  Or something like that. 

That seems like pure failure to me.  Nothing to be happy about. 

On the other hand, the Jags have a shot at the playoffs this year, and one of their major weaknesses is run defense, and they get a guy with this potential for a 6th round pick?    The Jags' head coach is the same head coach who coached him into the pro bowl.  The Jags' locker room is filled with very strong leadership.  Who wouldn't make this move in the same circumstances?  It's an absolute no-brainer.

Its a good move for both teams. Building a team culture as a new HC/GM combo isn't easy and its only made harder by players who don't buy in with what you are selling, even if they are talented.  You can only lead the horse to water.   

Dareus is a very talented guy but has off the field issues, suspension issues and perhaps isn't the easiest person to have in the locker room. Has a huge contract that that he wasn't playing up as of late , add that to the other issues and you have a guy that isn't very valuable to the new Bills regime.



YOU Mr Jackcity 10000% get it.
I wholeheartedly agree and this was essentially my point all along.
I just couldnt make it bc A, people were too busy trying to tell me I'm bitter and B, people fail to admit there is a CHANCE this backfires.
For those that have, this isnt aimed at you.... but apparently now I have to defend myself?!?
Its not like this kid is a choir boy model citizen who was the victim of a regime change.
The whole reason I chose to post in the 1st place was bc early on in the thread there were people asking who he was and why the Bills would do this.
Then I started seeing comments like 'oh no big deal, its only our cap' and it prompted me to try and explain and give a bit of perspective.
I dont think even Jets fans (and they are a nasty bunch) have been that unwelcoming as a couple of posters who seem to just want to fight.
Was it because I didnt lament and state "oh marcell was such a great player and was totally worth the $$ and now we are sunk with out him? The Bills are a bunch of idiots and they were totally fleeced by the Jags?'
Most of you guys have been very welcoming and its been a pleasure taking part in a good back and forth conversation.
-Thank You 

I promise you, if they knew MD was on his way to regaining his PB form and was done being a distraction - he would still be here.
Both were uncertain and they didnt want to take the risk.
Jags have a good thing going that could benefit if he did... and thus choose to take the risk.
Could payoff in spaids, could be a dumpster fire.  

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Gee wiz man... 
It's pretty easy to lump him in with that group just by simply taking into account that the contract he was given was anchored by the big expectations that came along with it.
Even if he didnt keep going to the pro bowl, he was at least expected to be productive. 
He wasn't.
That simple.
He didn't seem to be missed yesterday.
In fact, it was nice not having to watch out for his bone headed play of the game. 
He was traded bc he was far more of a distraction than he was worth. Again, no one trades a superstar for peanuts.
I assure you, there is no butt hurtedness here.
Quite a callus has been built up over the last 17 years.
Uninformed folks on message boards aside, this was a universally celebrated trade amongst fans. 
Again... if this is such a bang up move for the jags, i don't get why there is sooo much reassuring going on.

It's a gamble plain and simple...

Who is the one that needs reassuring? The bills fan that hopped on the jaguars message board just to cryptically talk crap about the guy that you shipped off for a 6th round draft pick to make you and your team feel justified?

Think about that for a second.

Cryptically talk crap?
Like I just walk around kicking puppies for the hell of it???
Not everyone is out to get you... some people like TRYING to have civil conversations and because I gave FACTS about MD that didnt jive with this rosey picture Im cryptically talking crap??
Come on man...

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Good news in his first Jag's interview, Dareus indicated the one guy he knows on the team is Campbell. If he gravitates to Calais, he has a better chance of making a positive impact.

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Lol no one needs reassurance but you. You came to our board to explain why y’all got fleeced with a sixth round pick. Not once did you mention the change in scheme possibly causing his decline in production.

Wrong
It was discussed pages back
If you are going to try and make me look silly, please at least read the threads progression.
Believe it or not, I took the time to try and give you folks a perspective of where Buffalos head was at and what the circumstances were that this trade even occurs.
It was also discussed he was given every chance to succeed in THIS 'new change of scheme' going BACK to a 4-3.... and he couldnt figure out a way to sniff the field.
I dont understand how even if you dont agree - how can you argue that the Bills wanted this guy gone bad enough they are willing to eat his bonuses while you guys pay his base?
Plain and simple. 
black and white.
It was worth it from a team perspective to move on from him.
If you think picking up teams problems (and its not like we are talking a vet min contract here) is 'fleecing' then...ok i guess?
That DOESNT mean he will be YOUR problem... but it also doesnt mean he wont.
Just the same way I understand you guys think you have a good D that could benefit if he gets his shiznit together.
NOT ONCE did I say it was a dumb gamble, or it was stupid... nothing of the sort.
Simply, its a gamble.
As NYCJAG stated, if you can find a way to fit it in where it wont hurt ya, give it a whirl and see if he sticks.
But this talk like the Bills got ripped off and didnt know what they had or how to work with him so now hes going to step right in and be a stud just seems premature.
But all of a sudden I'm being accused of being butt hurt and needing reassuring?
And im not.... but even if I was, the Bills D gave up 47 yrds rushing yesterday
He wasnt exactly missed, so in that regard at least we didnt have a drop off once he left town.... which i will admit I'm happy about bc you DONT make this trade if he was making any sort of difference for the team.

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Good news in his first Jag's interview, Dareus indicated the one guy he knows on the team is Campbell.  If he gravitates to Calais, he has a better chance of making a positive impact.

Do you mean the one player he knows? He obviously knows at least one coach.

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Good news in his first Jag's interview, Dareus indicated the one guy he knows on the team is Campbell.  If he gravitates to Calais, he has a better chance of making a positive impact.

Do you mean the one player he knows? He obviously knows at least one coach.

Hackett, Wheatly, and Sparano Jr and of course Jason Rebrovich as well....

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Do you mean the one player he knows? He obviously knows at least one coach.

Hackett, Wheatly, and Sparano Jr have coached him as well

Where'd he line up on offense?

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You definitely type paragraphs like you're from Buffalo.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Hackett, Wheatly, and Sparano Jr have coached him as well

Where'd he line up on offense?

The statement was only about who he knows, not who he works with directly.

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