Brunell was a franchise guy at that point, but he still wasn't elite. He just played out of his mind for two games in the '96 playoffs.

 

His TD numbers bear it out, too. He never threw for more than 20 TDs in his career, a truly piddling amount on a team with the level of talent that the Jaguars had. I know some people will think it was just because it was the times, but guys like Favre and Young were routinely hitting the mid 30's for TDs back then. A career high of 20 says it all about Brunell.

 

Part of that was Tom Coughlin back in those days. Inside the 20 Tom (then) seemed to prefer to run to score a lot. It was rare that Brunell would get many decent TD pass opportunities inside the 20, or especially inside the 10. Coughlin was very aggressive in passing between the 20's however. 

 

I think Brunell would have thrown more TD passes though, had the knee injury never occured, because he would have bought more time with his feet on certain plays, opening up a few more big play opportunities. Brunell as it was, had like 4500 yards passing in his first full season as a starter. Then the injury happened and it took pretty much half of his game away from him. 

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elite: (for rational individuals only) if you can compare them to Peyton Manning and pause to think/ genuinely debate who's better


Franchise: if after a 3 season stretch the consensus of the fanbase is he should stay and start next season consensus being a 70/ 30 split


to do this he has to have proven himself sufficiently and after that pretty much sticks whatever


For example big Ben or Eli both are considered franchise qbs and both blew during this season but the consensus of the league is still they are.franchise guys

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A franchise QB is a player a team has invested either a 1st round pick in or a substantial amount of money in to lead the team for the foreseeable future.

 

An elite QB is a guy who regularly puts the team on his back and wins.

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Just to be different, Bortles.

Elite means they are in the top statistically, franchise player might not be there, but he will perform when it matters in the playoffs and ideally get your team to the SB.

 

 

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Elite isn't necessarily tied to statistics to me. Stafford is far ahead of pace to break every statistical record there is, but he's not elite.

 

On the flip side, Seattle's offense isn't tailored to mammoth QB stats, but another year or two of consistency from Russ Wilson and he will be knocking on elite QB to me despite not having superlative stats.

 

It's all about the consistency.

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What's up guys. I was just perusing the boards, and observing everyone's discussion of who they think a franchise QB will be. Some say Teddy, some Manziel, others Bortles, and some (Looking at you JungleCat ) say there aren't any in this draft. So, the question came to me, "what is my definition of a franchise quarterback?"

 

It's not an easy question to answer. Here's my go at it:

 

A franchise quarterback needs to have two things: an undeniably elite facet of his game, and leadership ability.

 

You look at Peyton Manning - his knowledge of the game and work ethic are remarkable, even enough to cover his somewhat declining physical tools. He is also able to inspire and goad his teammates on from the sideline.

 

Tom Brady - He is possibly the most clutch QB in recent history. When the game is on the line, he finds a way to score and simply makes his team better. He, too, can be see encouraging and challenging his team.

 

Aaron Rodgers - His arm strength is second to none. He leads with a calm and focused, yet effective demeanor.

 

Here's another question - when does a Franchise QB become an Elite QB?

 

In my opinion, he has to have the two criteria above in spades, in addition to IT.

 

What is IT? IT is what makes a 2 minute drive to win the game seem manageable, even expected. IT is what draws other players to truly put their trust in their QB, not just to lead them, but to put them on his back.

 

No one knows what IT is, but everyone knows who has IT. And IT is what separates the elite from the good.

 

Your thoughts?

 

 

My thoughts are:

 

A franchise quarterback is simply the guy you choose as your franchise's starting quarterback. Many franchise quarterbacks do NOT possess elite skills. It is not uncommon that a team drafts a QB prospect with making him their franchise QB at some point in his development in mind.

 

An elite quarterback has all the quarterback skills polished to the highest level of play. An elite quarterback has everything it takes to make any team an immediate Super Bowl contender.

 

So when you hear or read the phrase elite, franchise quarterback it means the franchise quarterback for the particular team has the highest level of skill in the game and/or the quarterback draft prospect possesses elite talent and is fully capable of becoming an elite, franchise quarterback right away.

 

If it helps, a franchise quarterback will have moments of greatness during his career. An elite, franchise quarterback will have many more moments of greatness on a more frequent basis thanks to the gift of more talent.

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First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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For example big Ben or Eli both are considered franchise qbs and both blew during this season but the consensus of the league is still they are.franchise guys

 

You are joking right?  Big Ben lost his #1 WR in Free Agency, lost his #1 RB in preseason, lost his center to a season ending injury in Game 1, and his #1 TE was out the 1st half of the year.   He threw for 4,261 yards and had a 92.0 passer rating.  Many could argue he had his best season of his career this year.  Their defense sucked and they had no running game until Le'veon Bell got healthy in late October.

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You are joking right?  Big Ben lost his #1 WR in Free Agency, lost his #1 RB in preseason, lost his center to a season ending injury in Game 1, and his #1 TE was out the 1st half of the year.   He threw for 4,261 yards and had a 92.0 passer rating.  Many could argue he had his best season of his career this year.  Their defense sucked and they had no running game until Le'veon Bell got healthy in late October.

i was talking more about eli stinking it up all season but at the start of the year big ben was throwing alot of picks and if i remember rightly fumbling a fair bit and people were talking about whether they should trade him, whether he was still the guy... thats the part I'm talking about

 

His struggles didn't stop him being considered a franchise qb.

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