So what's the absolute maximum all of you would pay to keep Arob on a long term deal?   Presuming he wants to stay here.

If push came to shove I'd be willing to pay 15 million per year and 35-40 guaranteed.  

In 3 years time that contract is probably outside of the top 10 Wars.

The max for me would pay 3 year max 39 mil. 20 million guarenteed. Base of 9 a year with incentives to go to 13 (playing time, probowl, stats etc).

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So what's the absolute maximum all of you would pay to keep Arob on a long term deal?   Presuming he wants to stay here.

If push came to shove I'd be willing to pay 15 million per year and 35-40 guaranteed.  

In 3 years time that contract is probably outside of the top 10 Wars.

The max for me would pay 3 year max 39 mil. 20 million guarenteed. Base of 9 a year with incentives to go to 13 (playing time, probowl, stats etc).

Remember that's the same guaranteed money as Hurns got in 2015, and he signed early too.

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The max for me would pay 3 year max 39 mil. 20 million guarenteed. Base of 9 a year with incentives to go to 13 (playing time, probowl, stats etc).

Remember that's the same guaranteed money as Hurns got in 2015, and he signed early too.

Right. This is also including his injury history. And the fact he’s coming off an ACL last year. But again I’m not capologist this just seems reasonable to me based on all the data we have.

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Remember that's the same guaranteed money as Hurns got in 2015, and he signed early too.

Right. This is also including his injury history. And the fact he’s coming off an ACL last year. But again I’m not capologist this just seems reasonable to me based on all the data we have.

Just is crazy low for a maximum offer is all.

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I don't think this is true at all. Eagles won the SB without Wentz... So he's not a critical piece to the puzzle? Pats won the SB last year without Gronk... So he's not critical?

I am totally on board with not giving ARob 16 million but to act like we don't need him at all is flat out false. If he was playing last year, Jags most likely win more games and possibly play in the SB. The play in NE where Westbrook catches a 26 yarder on the sideline but somehow falls down when he had a clear path for a TD? ARob was the best at adjusting and he most likely takes it to the house.

The difference in these two scenarios is Wentz got the eagles to a number 1 seed before tearing up his knee. He contributed to the success of the team that year. Arob on the other hand was immediately lost for the year and the team went on to have a fantastic year in spite of. 

I’m not going to say he wouldn’t have helped because that would be disingenuous but to say he is needed is false. That was proven last year. It has to be based on production not on what if’s. That to me is where the main seperation is between us as fans.

But can last years success be duplicated without ARob? I'm not sure it can. I think the Jags being the #6 rated offense is like when Blake went off in 2015. The numbers don't tell the whole story. This offense was aided by trick plays, defensive TDs and playing an extremely poor schedule. This team needs ARob next year and if they don't figure out their WR situation, I don't think you should expect to have the #6 offense again next season.

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Right. This is also including his injury history. And the fact he’s coming off an ACL last year. But again I’m not capologist this just seems reasonable to me based on all the data we have.

Just is crazy low for a maximum offer is all.

For a guy coming off a down year and an ACL tear in consecutive years; that to me is a very generous offer.

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The difference in these two scenarios is Wentz got the eagles to a number 1 seed before tearing up his knee. He contributed to the success of the team that year. Arob on the other hand was immediately lost for the year and the team went on to have a fantastic year in spite of. 

I’m not going to say he wouldn’t have helped because that would be disingenuous but to say he is needed is false. That was proven last year. It has to be based on production not on what if’s. That to me is where the main seperation is between us as fans.

But can last years success be duplicated without ARob? I'm not sure it can. I think the Jags being the #6 rated offense is like when Blake went off in 2015. The numbers don't tell the whole story. This offense was aided by trick plays, defensive TDs and playing an extremely poor schedule. This team needs ARob next year and if they don't figure out their WR situation, I don't think you should expect to have the #6 offense again next season.

That is your opinion. I’m of the opinion that they can because I just witnessed it happen. I can’t say what will happen with Arob because I’ve never seen it. I’m not of the thinking the team should pay for projections. I think they should pay for production and he only has 1 good year or production. 

You also seem to qualify what the teams does a lot. We were a top offense in 2015 but that’s misleading because they did a lot of losing. Now we are a top offense in 2017 and won a lot but now thats aided by trick plays, poor schedule etc. Some how Arob is absolved of everything though? His 2015 year wasn’t garbage time stats? The team would have only won the Super Bowl had he played?


We seem to make a lot of excuses for him while putting down the team with all these hypotheticals. 

While I respect your ideas I just fundamentally disagree with you.

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yeah letting him go will be a dumb move.

only pro bowler on offense since MJD.

Only 24 years old.

 
2015 offense stats were an asterisk.  *garbage time

Like most of your posts! Please go find a different team.

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But can last years success be duplicated without ARob? I'm not sure it can. I think the Jags being the #6 rated offense is like when Blake went off in 2015. The numbers don't tell the whole story. This offense was aided by trick plays, defensive TDs and playing an extremely poor schedule. This team needs ARob next year and if they don't figure out their WR situation, I don't think you should expect to have the #6 offense again next season.

That is your opinion. I’m of the opinion that they can because I just witnessed it happen. I can’t say what will happen with Arob because I’ve never seen it. I’m not of the thinking the team should pay for projections. I think they should pay for production and he only has 1 good year or production. 

You also seem to qualify what the teams does a lot. We were a top offense in 2015 but that’s misleading because they did a lot of losing. Now we are a top offense in 2017 and won a lot but now thats aided by trick plays, poor schedule etc. Some how Arob is absolved of everything though? His 2015 year wasn’t garbage time stats? The team would have only won the Super Bowl had he played?


We seem to make a lot of excuses for him while putting down the team with all these hypotheticals. 

While I respect your ideas I just fundamentally disagree with you.

You're just making my point for me. Both years, the offense was very misleading. They didn't duplicate the 2015 year and I don't know if they can duplicate the 2017 year. I'm not worried at all about the defense but the offense worries me. Can Westbrook and Cole take a big leap forward? Can the Oline get better? Will Blake get better? Will Fournette stay healthy? We know ARob can be productive in the right system. I think he would be productive in this system. ARob isn't absolved of everything by any means but in 2016, the entire offense was poop. Now that we have a better running game, ARob would see single coverage which he can beat or they double him which means they don't have 8 in the box. Teams will still stack the box if we don't have a legit passing game.

These are all unknowns and I think having better players will help them get better. I don't want to pay ARob 16 million but I think the club should do whatever they can to sign him to a long term deal. If he wants too much money, let him walk.

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Signing Arob severely cap straps the team and the rest of the team suffers. Need to spread out that money and fill out the roster.

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That is your opinion. I’m of the opinion that they can because I just witnessed it happen. I can’t say what will happen with Arob because I’ve never seen it. I’m not of the thinking the team should pay for projections. I think they should pay for production and he only has 1 good year or production. 

You also seem to qualify what the teams does a lot. We were a top offense in 2015 but that’s misleading because they did a lot of losing. Now we are a top offense in 2017 and won a lot but now thats aided by trick plays, poor schedule etc. Some how Arob is absolved of everything though? His 2015 year wasn’t garbage time stats? The team would have only won the Super Bowl had he played?


We seem to make a lot of excuses for him while putting down the team with all these hypotheticals. 

While I respect your ideas I just fundamentally disagree with you.

You're just making my point for me. Both years, the offense was very misleading. They didn't duplicate the 2015 year and I don't know if they can duplicate the 2017 year. I'm not worried at all about the defense but the offense worries me. Can Westbrook and Cole take a big leap forward? Can the Oline get better? Will Blake get better? Will Fournette stay healthy? We know ARob can be productive in the right system. I think he would be productive in this system. ARob isn't absolved of everything by any means but in 2016, the entire offense was poop. Now that we have a better running game, ARob would see single coverage which he can beat or they double him which means they don't have 8 in the box. Teams will still stack the box if we don't have a legit passing game.

These are all unknowns and I think having better players will help them get better. I don't want to pay ARob 16 million but I think the club should do whatever they can to sign him to a long term deal. If he wants too much money, let him walk.

You’re last statement is my point. I’m not saying he sucks or that I don’t want him on the team. It just appears that he wants to much money. In the scenario I’m fine with him leaving as I feel the team will still be fine without him. Of course he is talented and I want him here but only at the right number for the team.

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You're just making my point for me. Both years, the offense was very misleading. They didn't duplicate the 2015 year and I don't know if they can duplicate the 2017 year. I'm not worried at all about the defense but the offense worries me. Can Westbrook and Cole take a big leap forward? Can the Oline get better? Will Blake get better? Will Fournette stay healthy? We know ARob can be productive in the right system. I think he would be productive in this system. ARob isn't absolved of everything by any means but in 2016, the entire offense was poop. Now that we have a better running game, ARob would see single coverage which he can beat or they double him which means they don't have 8 in the box. Teams will still stack the box if we don't have a legit passing game.

These are all unknowns and I think having better players will help them get better. I don't want to pay ARob 16 million but I think the club should do whatever they can to sign him to a long term deal. If he wants too much money, let him walk.

You’re last statement is my point. I’m not saying he sucks or that I don’t want him on the team. It just appears that he wants to much money. In the scenario I’m fine with him leaving as I feel the team will still be fine without him. Of course he is talented and I want him here but only at the right number for the team.

Agreed but I think there are a lot of people that are just completely dismissing how much better this team would be with him. He would give Fournette more running lanes and give Blake another redzone option.

I would give him the Adams deal in a heartbeat but we don't know what he's been offered or if he's even been offered anything. Hoping they can strike a deal before March 14th.

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Just is crazy low for a maximum offer is all.

For a guy coming off a down year and an ACL tear in consecutive years; that to me is a very generous offer.

To you perhaps but in reality that would be a very poor offer to Allen and would be way below what anyone would expect.

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You’re last statement is my point. I’m not saying he sucks or that I don’t want him on the team. It just appears that he wants to much money. In the scenario I’m fine with him leaving as I feel the team will still be fine without him. Of course he is talented and I want him here but only at the right number for the team.

Agreed but I think there are a lot of people that are just completely dismissing how much better this team would be with him. He would give Fournette more running lanes and give Blake another redzone option.

I would give him the Adams deal in a heartbeat but we don't know what he's been offered or if he's even been offered anything. Hoping they can strike a deal before March 14th.

Well he has been offered deals. He was offered one before the start of last year and declined. They offered him a deal this year and declined that. It is what it is. We’ll find out what he gets soon and what team it will be with.

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This is Adams contract:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-pac...ams-14463/

It is super back loaded with the out before he even can get the big bucks. I would offer this deal and I’m inclined to believe he was offered a deal similar to this. I have no knowledge of that tho. Like I said we’ll see what he gets soon enough

Side note the 9ers just gave Goodwin a contract extension for 3 years 20 million

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So what's the absolute maximum all of you would pay to keep Arob on a long term deal?   Presuming he wants to stay here.

If push came to shove I'd be willing to pay 15 million per year and 35-40 guaranteed.  

In 3 years time that contract is probably outside of the top 10 Wars.

This is a total SWAG, but I think I'd offer him a 4 year, $50 million deal, with 2 years guaranteed. 

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but it all has to fit into a long range plan, with projected contracts for Ramsey, Ngakoue, maybe Fowler, and others.  Projected increases in the salary cap, how much signing bonus, AR's cap hit this year and next year, all that stuff has to be factored in.   Also, right now, not including rollover money, we are right up against the cap, and using all that rollover money this year will cripple our roster in future years unless we find a way to cut a whole bunch of salaries next year.  In addition to that, I'd like to spend some money on the offensive line. 

So, it's a tough question.  We are $27 or $29 million under the cap for this year only.   That point has to be reinforced.   Rollover money is purely temporary.   You only get it to use it once, and then if you do, you put yourself over the cap for the next season.

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Paying Arob and letting Fowler walk would be an easy start.

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So what's the absolute maximum all of you would pay to keep Arob on a long term deal?   Presuming he wants to stay here.

If push came to shove I'd be willing to pay 15 million per year and 35-40 guaranteed.  

In 3 years time that contract is probably outside of the top 10 Wars.

This is a total SWAG, but I think I'd offer him a 4 year, $50 million deal, with 2 years guaranteed. 

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but it all has to fit into a long range plan, with projected contracts for Ramsey, Ngakoue, maybe Fowler, and others.  Projected increases in the salary cap, how much signing bonus, AR's cap hit this year and next year, all that stuff has to be factored in.   Also, right now, not including rollover money, we are right up against the cap, and using all that rollover money this year will cripple our roster in future years unless we find a way to cut a whole bunch of salaries next year.  In addition to that, I'd like to spend some money on the offensive line. 

So, it's a tough question.  We are $27 or $29 million under the cap for this year only.   That point has to be reinforced.   Rollover money is purely temporary.   You only get it to use it once, and then if you do, you put yourself over the cap for the next season.

I think they changed the rule where you can roll over money every year. So right now we are projected to be at 16 million under cap in 2019. We can roll the 30 over and be at 46 next year. Say we spend 26 of that we can roll the remaining 20 million over to 2020. But I do agree with your point it has to make sense financially. You still only have X amount of roll over dollars and you have you smart with it.

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So what's the absolute maximum all of you would pay to keep Arob on a long term deal?   Presuming he wants to stay here.

If push came to shove I'd be willing to pay 15 million per year and 35-40 guaranteed.  

In 3 years time that contract is probably outside of the top 10 Wars.

This is a total SWAG, but I think I'd offer him a 4 year, $50 million deal, with 2 years guaranteed. 

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but it all has to fit into a long range plan, with projected contracts for Ramsey, Ngakoue, maybe Fowler, and others.  Projected increases in the salary cap, how much signing bonus, AR's cap hit this year and next year, all that stuff has to be factored in.   Also, right now, not including rollover money, we are right up against the cap, and using all that rollover money this year will cripple our roster in future years unless we find a way to cut a whole bunch of salaries next year.  In addition to that, I'd like to spend some money on the offensive line. 

So, it's a tough question.  We are $27 or $29 million under the cap for this year only.   That point has to be reinforced.   Rollover money is purely temporary.   You only get it to use it once, and then if you do, you put yourself over the cap for the next season.

Where is this fear of the cap space coming from? We have lots of flexibility.

As far as I'm concerned our only *Must keep* young talent at this moment in time is is Yannick and Ramsey.  

The cap goes up 10 or so every year. Cut Dareus and you have 20 million in space next year without doing anything. You could sign Yannick and even front load the deal if you want just with that space.  

Our huge contacts are all easy to get out of. Calais will be 33 in 2020 (year of Ramsey contract) and will save us 16 million.  

Theres no need to worry. We can sign Arob and it will have literally no ability on us keeping our best young players.  Also, I'd much rather sign Arob at 14/15 than sign Jack at 10.   

Take a look over our cap and contracts over the next few years , we have enough cap and flexibility to keep everyone we *need* to.

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This is a total SWAG, but I think I'd offer him a 4 year, $50 million deal, with 2 years guaranteed. 

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but it all has to fit into a long range plan, with projected contracts for Ramsey, Ngakoue, maybe Fowler, and others.  Projected increases in the salary cap, how much signing bonus, AR's cap hit this year and next year, all that stuff has to be factored in.   Also, right now, not including rollover money, we are right up against the cap, and using all that rollover money this year will cripple our roster in future years unless we find a way to cut a whole bunch of salaries next year.  In addition to that, I'd like to spend some money on the offensive line. 

So, it's a tough question.  We are $27 or $29 million under the cap for this year only.   That point has to be reinforced.   Rollover money is purely temporary.   You only get it to use it once, and then if you do, you put yourself over the cap for the next season.

Where is this fear of the cap space coming from? We have lots of flexibility.

As far as I'm concerned our only *Must keep* young talent at this moment in time is is Yannick and Ramsey.  

The cap goes up 10 or so every year. Cut Dareus and you have 20 million in space next year without doing anything. You could sign Yannick and even front load the deal if you want just with that space.  

Our huge contacts are all easy to get out of. Calais will be 33 in 2020 (year of Ramsey contract) and will save us 16 million.  

Theres no need to worry. We can sign Arob and it will have literally no ability on us keeping our best young players.  Also, I'd much rather sign Arob at 14/15 than sign Jack at 10.   

Take a look over our cap and contracts over the next few years , we have enough cap and flexibility to keep everyone we *need* to.

How is cutting Dareus 'not doing anything'?  The guy completely changed our run defense.

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Where is this fear of the cap space coming from? We have lots of flexibility.

As far as I'm concerned our only *Must keep* young talent at this moment in time is is Yannick and Ramsey.  

The cap goes up 10 or so every year. Cut Dareus and you have 20 million in space next year without doing anything. You could sign Yannick and even front load the deal if you want just with that space.  

Our huge contacts are all easy to get out of. Calais will be 33 in 2020 (year of Ramsey contract) and will save us 16 million.  

Theres no need to worry. We can sign Arob and it will have literally no ability on us keeping our best young players.  Also, I'd much rather sign Arob at 14/15 than sign Jack at 10.   

Take a look over our cap and contracts over the next few years , we have enough cap and flexibility to keep everyone we *need* to.

How is cutting Dareus 'not doing anything'?  The guy completely changed our run defense.

Because he'd be getting paid like a top 10 tackle and I'm not sure hes that anymore.  He'd be an expected cut.

I like him a lot and he did help our run defense. It's just not that hard to find cheap run stoppers elsewhere, even if the performance is slightly less.

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