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TheO-LineMatters 7 round mock draft (2nd attempt)

#21

Hats off to you guys who can call a mock draft over 3 rounds. Jags02 is way more knowledgeable than me but hit it on the head when he basically said that after 2 rounds, the names get a little sketchy. Same with me but even worse so I admire the fact that you guys have this knowledge.

At the risk of getting blasted, I do miss KYJaggy for this reason. Right or wrong, he brought a lot of useful draft info to we casual observers.
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#22

Gonna reply to alot here,
Oline, totally makes sense you wanting to trade down and I would agree with you on that. Also, absolutely understand why you don't put trades in because that would be a mess. In regards to not wanting a receiver under 6'2, if Ridley or Moore are at 29 would you take either?

To Jags 02, it's not like Wynn would take Parnells spot so he could sit and wait for RT. The other option at RG wouldn't be bad because he's surrounded by Linder and Parnell and I feel like they can pick up the slack,they do for Dann.

Upper, Sweat might just be the most polorazing guy in the draft. Guy looks like a freak and makes splash plays but then sometimes does nothing. If a team really needed pass rush I would draft him anywhere from late 2 to early 4.
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#23

(03-23-2018, 10:26 AM)Upper Wrote: Not buying the Josh Sweat hype I guess? I've seen him in the first round in some mocks lately.

No. Don't get me wrong. I think he's a good player, but nowhere near a first rounder. Maybe he sneaks into the 3rd round or possibly even late 2nd, but he's behind better 4-3 edge rushers like Chubb, Davenport, Hubbard and IMO, even Marcell Frazier.
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#24

(03-23-2018, 10:45 AM)ColoJag Wrote: Gonna reply to alot here,
Oline, totally makes sense you wanting to trade down and I would agree with you on that. Also, absolutely understand why you don't put trades in because that would be a mess. In regards to not wanting a receiver under 6'2, if Ridley or Moore are at 29 would you take either?

To Jags 02, it's not like Wynn would take Parnells spot so he could sit and wait for RT. The other option at RG wouldn't be bad because he's surrounded by Linder and Parnell and I feel like they can pick up the slack,they do for Dann.

Upper, Sweat might just be the most polorazing guy in the draft. Guy looks like a freak and makes splash plays but then sometimes does nothing. If a team really needed pass rush I would draft him anywhere from late 2 to early 4.

Honestly, I'm a fan of Ridley and I really like Moore a lot, but given our current group of WR's, I don't think either of those players would be able to help us in the areas where we need help, (ala redzone targets.) If either were on the board when we picked, I'd do everything I could to trade down and get as much as we could for the pick. If no one was willing to trade, I'd have to pass on them. I can't imagine not finding a trade partner in that scenario. Several teams need a big play WR. I believe we have those same types of receivers in Cole and Westbrook. I'm expecting big seasons from both guys.
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#25

(03-23-2018, 10:45 AM)ColoJag Wrote: Upper, Sweat might just be the most polorazing guy in the draft. Guy looks like a freak and makes splash plays but then sometimes does nothing. If a team really needed pass rush I would draft him anywhere from late 2 to early 4.

To be fair, that's virtually every pass rusher. Fowler disappears for games at a time and then makes a couple splash plays and people are saying he's a justified top 5 pick. I could totally see a complete athletic freak like Sweat going in the first round.
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#26

Using this mock:

1 Mike Gesecki TE
2 Orlando Brown OT
3 Darius Leonard LB
4 Darius Phillips CB
6 Kameron Kelly S
7 John Kelly RB
7 Quinton Flowers WR
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#27

(03-23-2018, 10:59 AM)Upper Wrote:
(03-23-2018, 10:45 AM)ColoJag Wrote: Upper, Sweat might just be the most polorazing guy in the draft. Guy looks like a freak and makes splash plays but then sometimes does nothing. If a team really needed pass rush I would draft him anywhere from late 2 to early 4.

To be fair, that's virtually every pass rusher. Fowler disappears for games at a time and then makes a couple splash plays and people are saying he's a justified top 5 pick. I could totally see a complete athletic freak like Sweat going in the first round.

While I don't know I'd justify his top five status, it's a bit unfair to judge him as you are. 
The guy hovers around 40% of the defensive snaps, last season having individual games with only 14, 21, 24, 27 snaps in a game. Of course he's not going to have consistent impact every week in that role.
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#28

(03-23-2018, 10:43 AM)PF* Wrote: Hats off to you guys who can call a mock draft over 3 rounds. Jags02 is way more knowledgeable than me but hit it on the head when he basically said that after 2 rounds, the names get a little sketchy. Same with me but even worse so I admire the fact that you guys have this knowledge.

At the risk of getting blasted, I do miss KYJaggy for this reason. Right or wrong, he brought a lot of useful draft info to we casual observers.

No offense to anyone, but I suspect there's a lot of BS that goes into it too. None of us are professional scouts watching game tapes for hours a day. Everybody is just taking other people's opinions and reformulating them.
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#29

(03-23-2018, 11:12 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: Using this mock:

1 Mike Gesecki TE
2 Orlando Brown OT
3 Darius Leonard LB
4 Darius Phillips CB
6 Kameron Kelly S
7 John Kelly RB
7 Quinton Flowers WR

I'm a believer that unless we get a QB of the future, the draft is a total failure.
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#30

(03-23-2018, 10:43 AM)PF* Wrote: Hats off to you guys who can call a mock draft over 3 rounds. Jags02 is way more knowledgeable than me but hit it on the head when he basically said that after 2 rounds, the names get a little sketchy. Same with me but even worse so I admire the fact that you guys have this knowledge.

At the risk of getting blasted, I do miss KYJaggy for this reason. Right or wrong, he brought a lot of useful draft info to we casual observers.

KYJaggy = Upper
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#31

First of all, good job. It takes a lot of thought to come up with a 7 round mock draft. Nobody out there can do one of these without facing criticism, but the thing I like is it gives us the opportunity to either agree or come up with alternative picks. That being said, here's my take on your picks.

Rd. 1: Clark - This is a gutsy pick which I don't agree with. No doubt, he has tremendous upside based on his size, speed and athleticism. His body of work was limited due to the offense he played in and he will need time to develop.
Although the Jaguars may not have a true number 1 receiver, I believe they have enough talent to wait until a later round to take wide-receiver.

My pick: I wish you gave the Bills Lamar Jackson so Rudolph would have been your pick. I still think the Jags will somehow land Rudolph, but for the sake of your mock I'd have to go with Isaiah Wynn. He will
He'll immediately start at guard, but his value is in his ability to also fill in at tackle. Whether he can switch sides is beyond my scope of knowledge, but I'm hoping he can make the adjustment.

Rd. 2: Hurst- I like this pick the most. He can do it all and contribute immediately. I'm not sure why, but I have a hunch they'll take Gesicki in the 1st. I just like the combo of Wynn/Hurst more than Gesicki and someone like
Orlando Brown.

Rd. 3:Gossett- Too early for this guy. I'd be o.k. with him in the 4th and it wouldn't shock me if this happened. My pick is Nyheim Hines. A perfect complement to Fournette. Very explosive and versatile.

Rd. 4: White- I have mixed feelings taking a quarterback this late in the draft. What are the odds that he'll ever become a franchise q.b.? That being said, if they can't get Rudolph this guy is probably the best Tier 2 q.b. in
the draft and can at least be an adequate back-up.

Rd. 5-7 Don't know much about the guys you picked. I'd probably target a young nickel-back like Rashaan Gaulden of Tennessee who has the attitude to blend in with our current group. I'd take the best punter available
in the 7th round to save salary cap room. Townsend or Dawson are good candidates. With my last pick, I'd go for another receiver. They found Hurns and Cole after being undrafted so maybe they can find someone here.
Two big bodied guys who may last until the 7th are Jake Wieneke from South Dakota State (teammate of Goedert) and Javon Wims. I'd probably take them 1st in the 7th round before the punter.

Again, kudos to you for your comprehensive mock draft.
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#32
(This post was last modified: 03-23-2018, 04:57 PM by knarnn.)

(03-23-2018, 06:00 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-23-2018, 05:45 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Solid draft but if I'm the Jags I'm taking Wynn or Guice over Chark. We need help up front and Wynn helps the team more than Chark. Guice over Chark for pure need of offense. They wanna pound da rock and we need a big horse behind LF. If LF goes down with a big injury we ain't pounding da rock with Yeldon and Grant. Not happening.

As I said before, I believe we covet a true RG/RT and Wynn has started on the left side his entire college career. For some players changing sides is no big deal and for others it is. Guice? I don't get that one. Fournette is our workhorse and we have very good depth behind him. I'm a huge fan of Rashad Penny, but considering what we already have at RB, I wouldn't even consider him for this team. If we take another RB, I believe it will come via UDFA. There should still be some decent quality on the board after the draft.

RB is most certainly an option for this team. When you plan on making the running game the focus on offense you better make sure you have enough horses in the stable to make it to the end of the season. Fournette’s running style all but guarantees he’ll miss games during the season. Not to mention both Yeldon and Grant will be free agents next year.
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#33

Jamil Demby is a guy I'm keeping an eye on.
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#34

(03-23-2018, 04:56 PM)knarnn Wrote:
(03-23-2018, 06:00 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: As I said before, I believe we covet a true RG/RT and Wynn has started on the left side his entire college career. For some players changing sides is no big deal and for others it is. Guice? I don't get that one. Fournette is our workhorse and we have very good depth behind him. I'm a huge fan of Rashad Penny, but considering what we already have at RB, I wouldn't even consider him for this team. If we take another RB, I believe it will come via UDFA. There should still be some decent quality on the board after the draft.

RB is most certainly an option for this team. When you plan on making the running game the focus on offense you better make sure you have enough horses in the stable to make it to the end of the season. Fournette’s running style all but guarantees he’ll miss games during the season. Not to mention both Yeldon and Grant will be free agents next year.

Then we worry about that next offseason.
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#35

(03-23-2018, 08:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-23-2018, 07:06 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Would rather Goedert, Gesicki, Price, or Ragnow in the first and would sprint to the podium if Gallup was there in the 3rd

Gallup isn't even quite 6'1" and given what we already have, I wouldn't draft a WR under 6'2". We need big, redzone targets. I don't wanna take shots in the redzone by trying to throw fades to average size receivers. We need to add a big bodied pass catcher to play opposite a couple of TE's in redzone schemes.

I’d like to have a taller WR, but I’d rather have the best WR.  The taller WR I’d want in this draft is Sutton
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#36

(03-23-2018, 06:00 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-23-2018, 05:45 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Solid draft but if I'm the Jags I'm taking Wynn or Guice over Chark. We need help up front and Wynn helps the team more than Chark. Guice over Chark for pure need of offense. They wanna pound da rock and we need a big horse behind LF. If LF goes down with a big injury we ain't pounding da rock with Yeldon and Grant. Not happening.

As I said before, I believe we covet a true RG/RT and Wynn has started on the left side his entire college career. For some players changing sides is no big deal and for others it is. Guice? I don't get that one. Fournette is our workhorse and we have very good depth behind him. I'm a huge fan of Rashad Penny, but considering what we already have at RB, I wouldn't even consider him for this team. If we take another RB, I believe it will come via UDFA. There should still be some decent quality on the board after the draft.

Well my reasoning is because we are a run run run team. I don't feel as confident in Yeldon and Grant to pound the rock if Fournette goes down for significant time. A game or two maybe, but they don't match the type of identity the Jags want IMO. Yeldon is a nice 3rd down back and Grant is a gimmicky RB. They aren't 3 down backs and IMO we need one behind 4nette.
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(03-23-2018, 06:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-23-2018, 04:56 PM)knarnn Wrote: RB is most certainly an option for this team. When you plan on making the running game the focus on offense you better make sure you have enough horses in the stable to make it to the end of the season. Fournette’s running style all but guarantees he’ll miss games during the season. Not to mention both Yeldon and Grant will be free agents next year.

Then we worry about that next offseason.

The entire premise of the draft is to plan for the future.
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#38

(03-24-2018, 01:50 AM)knarnn Wrote:
(03-23-2018, 06:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Then we worry about that next offseason.

The entire premise of the draft is to plan for the future.

For me, it's about adding pieces to win a Superbowl.......... now!
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#39

Looks like I'm gonna have to do this thing over again. I read an article today that said the Giants HC, GM and owner flew all the way across the country to attend the workouts of Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen and then took each one out to dinner. You don't just do that with any old prospect. I believe they are now all in on a QB and are prepared to take whichever guy the Browns pass on. Whatever they do, they better use a couple of their next picks on the O-Line to protect that QB. Getting Solder was a nice start, but they still need to replace losses at OG and Center and they need to find a pass rusher to replace JPP, not to mention finding a premier runner.
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#40

(03-24-2018, 08:11 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Whatever they do, they better use a couple of their next picks on the O-Line to protect that QB.

If only they had some nice young pieces like Pugh and Richburg to put in front of a rookie QB...oh wait...
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