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#21

(04-13-2018, 11:37 AM)JackCity Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 11:12 AM)Jags02 Wrote:


No, I'm reasonably sure the Center always makes the calls. 

See I used to think that but I vaguely remember reading a piece a while back that talked about how it doesn't matter as long as they can help ID the mine and relay protection changes to the others.  Seems like everyone who does it is a center though..

I think in that instance you'd probably just have some heightened communication (prompts) between Linder and the rook center until the rook showed proper control and ease in the role.
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#22
(This post was last modified: 04-13-2018, 12:18 PM by flgatorsandjags.)

(04-13-2018, 11:12 AM)Jags02 Wrote:
(04-12-2018, 09:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Id play him a C and move Linder back to G but they both can play either.


I'd rather not move Linder. It's a huge advantage to have Linder and Norwell side-by-side. Also, Linder graded out by PFF as the best player on the Jaguars roster so it's not like he was struggling in the role.

(04-13-2018, 08:48 AM)JackCity Wrote: I see both sides but would lean toward keeping the vet at center. Ragnow might be more comfortable there early on but I feel how we run the ball requires a high level of execution from the center.  

Correct me if I'm wrong but Linder would still make the calls if moved back to guard right?


No, I'm reasonably sure the Center always makes the calls. 

Linder was not the highest rated player on our roster.  He was in the above average category.  We had players in the elite and high quality category. I believe he was the highest rated player on offense but that's not saying a whole lot
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#23

He wasnt rated that much higher than Parnell. Linder is still very good but I think he was a better guard. His salary would look much better at guard too
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#24
(This post was last modified: 04-13-2018, 12:38 PM by JackCity.)

Linders been a top 5 center the last 2 seasons. He played guard as rookie and did very well but not top 5 caliber.

Could yeah he be a top 5 guard? I'd say so.
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#25

(04-13-2018, 12:32 PM)JackCity Wrote: Linders been a top 5 center the last 2 seasons. He played guard as rookie and did very well but not top 5 caliber.

Could yeah he be a top 5 guard? I'd say so.

He played guard in 2015 as well and was a top 5 guard imo
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#26

(04-13-2018, 12:32 PM)JackCity Wrote: Linders been a top 5 center the last 2 seasons. He played guard as rookie and did very well but not top 5 caliber.

Could yeah he be a top 5 guard? I'd say so.

He could play either spot and do a good job. We don't need him to be a pro bowler, we just need the unit to gel and consistently open holes for the run game and protect the QB on a regular basis. For some reason, other than last year, this has been a task we haven't been able to do for many years. With the addition of Norwell and impending addition of another interior lineman, I'm confident we can makeover our O-Line into a top 5 unit.
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#27

(04-13-2018, 12:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 12:32 PM)JackCity Wrote: Linders been a top 5 center the last 2 seasons. He played guard as rookie and did very well but not top 5 caliber.

Could yeah he be a top 5 guard? I'd say so.

He played guard in 2015 as well and was a top 5 guard imo

The year he played 3 games?
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#28
(This post was last modified: 04-13-2018, 02:00 PM by flgatorsandjags.)

(04-13-2018, 01:38 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 12:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: He played guard in 2015 as well and was a top 5 guard imo

The year he played 3 games?

Yep, it carried over from the year before

Linder was the 6th rated guard as a rookie
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#29

(04-13-2018, 01:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 01:38 PM)JackCity Wrote: The year he played 3 games?

Yep, it carried over from the year before

Linder was the 6th rated guard as a rookie

What carried over? He wasn't a top 5 guard in 2014, and definitely wasn't in 2015 when he played 3 games.  Not a fan of using PFF grades for linemen performance either.
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#30
(This post was last modified: 04-13-2018, 02:11 PM by flgatorsandjags.)

(04-13-2018, 02:05 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 01:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Yep, it carried over from the year before

Linder was the 6th rated guard as a rookie

What carried over? He wasn't a top 5 guard in 2014, and definitely wasn't in 2015 when he played 3 games.  Not a fan of using PFF grades for linemen performance either.

So since you say he wasnt that means he wasnt? Lol.  Use your eyes, he passed the eye test and looked even better at guard imo and I'm not the only one who feels that way.  His only issue is staying healthy but he is just as good at guard if not better

Pff ratings aren't great but I'd trust theirs over your homemade rating lol
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#31

(04-13-2018, 02:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 02:05 PM)JackCity Wrote: What carried over? He wasn't a top 5 guard in 2014, and definitely wasn't in 2015 when he played 3 games.  Not a fan of using PFF grades for linemen performance either.

So since you say he wasnt that means he wasnt? Lol.  Use your eyes, he passed the eye test and looked even better at guard imo and I'm not the only one who feels that way.  His only issue is staying healthy but he is just as good at guard if not better

Pff ratings aren't great but I'd trust theirs over your homemade rating lol

Linder was very good as rookie. Just not a top 5 guard with guys like Yanda, Zach Martin, Sitton, DeCastro etc etc. Not sure how he was a top 5 guard playing 3 games in 2015 either. 

Remember, PFF are the same folk who think there were 76 better tackles than Cam Robinson in 2017...
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#32

(04-13-2018, 12:17 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 11:12 AM)Jags02 Wrote: I'd rather not move Linder. It's a huge advantage to have Linder and Norwell side-by-side. Also, Linder graded out by PFF as the best player on the Jaguars roster so it's not like he was struggling in the role.



No, I'm reasonably sure the Center always makes the calls. 

Linder was not the highest rated player on our roster.  He was in the above average category.  We had players in the elite and high quality category.  I believe he was the highest rated player on offense but that's not saying a whole lot


I was pretty sure I read that.

I tried looking up "PFF Linder," and the links mention that he was their highest rated offensive lineman in the NFL in 2017. He even beat out Norwell who I still say should be playing side-by-side with Linder.

Linder had a 99.1 overall grade by PFF after allowing zero pressures in 2017 while making an impact block on 36.4 percent of his snaps.

Ramsey graded out with a 91.8. You say that I'm wrong about Linder being our highest rated player. I'd ask you to prove that.

'02
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#33

(04-13-2018, 03:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 12:17 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Linder was not the highest rated player on our roster.  He was in the above average category.  We had players in the elite and high quality category.  I believe he was the highest rated player on offense but that's not saying a whole lot


I was pretty sure I read that.

I tried looking up "PFF Linder," and the links mention that he was their highest rated offensive lineman in the NFL in 2017. He even beat out Norwell who I still say should be playing side-by-side with Linder.

Linder had a 99.1 overall grade by PFF after allowing zero pressures in 2017 while making an impact block on 36.4 percent of his snaps.

Ramsey graded out with a 91.8. You say that I'm wrong about Linder being our highest rated player. I'd ask you to prove that.

That was just for the Steelers game
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#34

(04-13-2018, 03:35 PM)JackCity Wrote:
(04-13-2018, 03:33 PM)Jags02 Wrote:
I was pretty sure I read that.

I tried looking up "PFF Linder," and the links mention that he was their highest rated offensive lineman in the NFL in 2017. He even beat out Norwell who I still say should be playing side-by-side with Linder.

Linder had a 99.1 overall grade by PFF after allowing zero pressures in 2017 while making an impact block on 36.4 percent of his snaps.

Ramsey graded out with a 91.8. You say that I'm wrong about Linder being our highest rated player. I'd ask you to prove that.

That was just for the Steelers game


Ugh, I had to look again. Yeah, the 99.1 was the highest single-game grading in the league.

I'm still not convinced I'm wrong tho.

'02
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#35

OK.... I was wrong.



Here's the entire current roster where you can click on their name and get their overall grade...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/tea.../15/roster


Linder graded an 84.7

Higher grades include...

  1. Calais Campbell 93.5
  2. Jalen Ramsey 91.8
  3. Telvin Smith 90.5
  4. AJ Bouye 88.0
  5. Malik Jackson 86.4
That's it. Clearly he was just the highest rated offensive player for the Jaguars, although Norwell scored an 88.8. 
'02
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#36

(04-13-2018, 03:49 PM)Jags02 Wrote: OK.... I was wrong.



Here's the entire current roster where you can click on their name and get their overall grade...

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/tea.../15/roster


Linder graded an 84.7

Higher grades include...

  1. Calais Campbell 93.5
  2. Jalen Ramsey 91.8
  3. Telvin Smith 90.5
  4. AJ Bouye 88.0
  5. Malik Jackson 86.4
That's it. Clearly he was just the highest rated offensive player for the Jaguars, although Norwell scored an 88.8. 

Linder had a much better season in 16 than he did 17 but he has battled injuries
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#37

(04-13-2018, 12:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: He wasnt rated that much higher than Parnell.  Linder is still very good but I think he was a better guard.  His salary would look much better at guard too


Why would his salary look better at G?

I think he's going to look better at C because he'd be playing next to Norwell.


As for Parnell, he graded out at a 79.0. Something's up with Cam's ranking tho... He was great, but PFF scored him at 37.6. What happened there?


I see the grading of "rookie" is below the ranking of "poor" which is where Cam is listed. This makes me think they put him there just because he was a rookie starter.

He wasn't that bad. He wasn't bad at all in my book.
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