Never realized that so many of Watkins' catches were screens. 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46...wr-metrics

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Seems that all things factored in - the metrics suggest that Evans is the best of all of them. (or at least the most balanced/ well rounded as his catches were even across the board)

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Evans is a 4.5 speed version of Matt Jones.  He will not be able to separate from DB's in the NFL. 

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Evans is a 4.5 speed version of Matt Jones.  He will not be able to separate from DB's in the NFL. 

 

Disagree. 

 

Evans actually fights and wins battles for the ball. Matt Jones did not win many of those battles. 

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Never realized that so many of Watkins' catches were screens. 

 
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics'>http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics</a>

I've watched both teams a lot. (A&M Clemson). Defenders consistently give Watkins a wide berth. The screen always seems to be good for about 7-9 yards. It makes sense that you take what the defense gives you. As you saw in the last bowl game, Watkins burned the defender long for a TD at the beginning. After that, Urban played his guys back off him. Time after time, Ohio State was burned by the screen. If you give Sammy a blocker or two, watch out. He Is tough to bring down and is still a threat to break off a long one. Urban said before the game that he wanted to contain Watkins and not let him get deep. Watkins still beat him long. Long pass sets up the underneath and visa versa. He can do it all. Somehow, I don't see Evens doing that well in the pros. His last 3-4 games were awful. He struggled to get open when pressed. I'd take Watkins any day over Evans.

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"He will not separate"


Ya he will when he jumps 12 feet in the air to catch a ball

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Watkins is a Harvin type.


He good but he is not a typical receiver

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The two best traditional 'prototypical' WR NFL prospects in this draft are Davante Adams and Allen Robinson to me. Doesn't mean that Watkins and Evans aren't good enough at where they win to be better overall prospects though, but they both have some limitations. 

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Clemson's offense works perfectly for Watkins and Chad Morris manipulates it very well.

 

Clemson is going to send Watkins deep and you have to respect that. You simply can't afford to let him pop the top off of the Defense else it's a pretty safe bet that he's going to score. Once they establish that threat, then they start throwing screens which utilizes Watkins best skill; his ability in space.

 

The article goes on to state that "When he’s not running screens, Watkins has the most normal distribution of route types. This makes his overall YAC on non-screens all the more impressive because we know he’s not running an excess of routes that lead to exaggerated YAC totals.
" This reinforces my statement about how Morris threatens deep, legitimately threatens, then plays off of that. Outside of screens, he runs more comeback routes than any other type. Drive the defender deep, once he opens his hips to turn and run with you -- and if you're covering Watkins, you're probably turning pretty fast -- stick your foot in the ground and head back to the QB.

 

I still feel that M. Lee is the best all-around WR in this draft, but Watkins is probably the most dangerous.

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The two best traditional 'prototypical' WR NFL prospects in this draft are Davante Adams and Allen Robinson to me. Doesn't mean that Watkins and Evans aren't good enough at where they win to be better overall prospects though, but they both have some limitations. 

 

I really like Devante Adams. 

 

My fear is he gets overlooked behind more hyped prospects like Watkins and Mike Evans and winds up on the roster of the Texans, Titans or Colts. (Colts would need to trade up a bit, though as they have no 1st rounder) 

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Sammy would have been the number one receiver taken after his freshman year. Yes, ahead of Blackmon.

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Sammy would have been the number one receiver taken after his freshman year. Yes, ahead of Blackmon.

 

I agree with this. He was a terror his freshman year.

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Not too impressed with Watkins. His hands are inconsistent. His reaction to the ball is slow. He appears to need to track the ball over distance to catch. He does not appear to run routes therefore, the majority of his play is limited to wide receiver screens and reverses. He does seem to leave the line of scrimmage sometimes to drift around to the outside, and flap his arm over his head at the quarterback.

 

If he could do anything else wouldn't it show on video?

 

What people seem to like about him tends to gloss over Watkin's deficiencies as a pro wide receiver prospect. NFL DBs will literally build a camp with wood-burning stoves in the wide out area. Then what will Watkins do? 

 

The first thing any team is going to have to do is teach him how to play wide receiver like a professional. That makes him a project. It will take years, or the team drafting him will keep him as a novelty inserting him when they think the opponent's defense is napping.

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Not too impressed with Watkins. His hands are inconsistent. His reaction to the ball is slow. He appears to need to track the ball over distance to catch. He does not appear to run routes therefore, the majority of his play is limited to wide receiver screens and reverses. He does seem to leave the line of scrimmage sometimes to drift around to the outside, and flap his arm over his head at the quarterback.

 

If he could do anything else wouldn't it show on video?

 

What people seem to like about him tends to gloss over Watkin's deficiencies as a pro wide receiver prospect. NFL DBs will literally build a camp with wood-burning stoves in the wide out area. Then what will Watkins do? 

 

The first thing any team is going to have to do is teach him how to play wide receiver like a professional. That makes him a project. It will take years, or the team drafting him will keep him as a novelty inserting him when they think the opponent's defense is napping.

 

What you said pretty much defies every single metric in that article. Watkins has the second lowest drop-rate of the four WR's at 4.49% He has the most normal pass route distribution of any of the other WR's once you filter out screens. Every college wideout needs to learn how to defeat press-coverage, and I really don't think it'll take years to see if Watkins can be successful with that.

 

Also, are you really criticizing the guy for being an outlet in case the play breaks down?

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What you said pretty much defies every single metric in that article. Watkins has the second lowest drop-rate of the four WR's at 4.49% He has the most normal pass route distribution of any of the other WR's once you filter out screens. Every college wideout needs to learn how to defeat press-coverage, and I really don't think it'll take years to see if Watkins can be successful with that.

 

Also, are you really criticizing the guy for being an outlet in case the play breaks down?

I was going to reply to that too but then I saw it was the cat....not worth it.....so I just let it go

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What you said pretty much defies every single metric in that article. Watkins has the second lowest drop-rate of the four WR's at 4.49% He has the most normal pass route distribution of any of the other WR's once you filter out screens. Every college wideout needs to learn how to defeat press-coverage, and I really don't think it'll take years to see if Watkins can be successful with that.

 

Also, are you really criticizing the guy for being an outlet in case the play breaks down?

 

Horses for courses. Taking away the screen play erases Watkins from your offense. No wonder why plays break down. Boyd circles around until he sees Watkins waving his arm in the air...a lot.

 

I see he was arrested for what is described as drug-related charges in May of 2012. I don't see that in his metrics.

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Horses for courses. Sure, why not?
Taking away the screen play erases Watkins from your offense. His nation-leading Yards After Catch statistic kinda states otherwise.
  No wonder why plays break down. Boyd circles around until he sees Watkins waving his arm in the air...a lot. Any value you want to attach to "a lot"?


 

I see he was arrested for what is described as drug-related charges in May of 2012. I don't see that in his metrics. And why would you? Wouldn't you just go to the news blotter for things like that?

 

I'm just glad that the team isn't going to waste it's time, resources, and money on another Offensive Tackle. Can you simply imagine what a waste that would be if they let a weapon like Watkins go by them just so they could have some roster space eating OT? What a tragedy.

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Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I'm just glad that the team isn't going to waste it's time, resources, and money on another Offensive Tackle. Can you simply imagine what a waste that would be if they let a weapon like Watkins go by them just so they could have some roster space eating OT? What a tragedy.

 

Watkins is on the left. 

 



 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvzlqoW6Lyw

 

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Exactly!

 

Here's a guy who supports local law enforcement! And despite all of that, he still went on to have two more productive seasons! What a great player for this team he's going to be.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Exactly!

 

Here's a guy who supports local law enforcement! And despite all of that, he still went on to have two more productive seasons! What a great player for this team he's going to be.

 

I think you lost credibility with roster space eating OT ...well actually the metrics was a dead-giveaway.

 

 

The heirs and the lawyers are up in the dome right now waiting to explain the nature of the crime with facts, figures and falsehoods. One more F and they won't be drafted. - Deadline USA, 1952

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