Logistic problems are really the only thing holding the NFL back.  If there was a Concorde transatlantic service, that could simplify things.  Bottom line, still many years away.

Personally, I think Mexico City would be the perfect location for a new franchise.  

For anyone who hasn't been there, it's incredibly progressive and really has mix of NY, Chicago, DC, and LA.

I was going to post some cartel crime scene photos...then I googled it. Ugh can't unsee that!

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Guys were as good as gone.  Just look.... the writing is not only on the wall, but it just "makes sense...."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/12678...ealignment

They have the division realignment worked out.

https://fansided.com/2013/10/24/jacksonv...aces-move/

There are so many better options than Jax!

https://www.news4jax.com/news/are-jaguar...os-angeles

It's a DONE DEAL by 2011!!

Except it's going to be San Diego!  Lovely!

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/...60171.html

Why would the team move?  Because he KHAN!!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2011...0fa4a38911



Seriously..... it's the offseason.  Time to blow out the hate that these people have for this city and ITS FANS.

What a great post for lending perspective to the current London kerfuffle.

Two points for using “kerfluffle” on the meassage board properly.  Heck, another two just for using the word at all.  

It does put things into perspective for sure.  So many experts want to predict the inevitable move, and as Jags fans we are prone to believe it because relocation talk has been endless since almost the inception of this franchise.  Media hacks have never liked Jacksonville because it’s not a big market. Look at the bile they directed at the city after hosting the Super Bowl. If you polled the media it was a miserable failure, but if you talked to fans who attended the game, they had nothing but great things to say about the city aside from some comments about chilly weather early that week. 

The bottom line is that the league is always looking for new revenue streams. London will certainly provide that for the games hosted there.  But, now Shad Khan gets a piece of every game they play at Wembley.  That’s good for this city without the need to panic over relocation. It’s not happening.  This market is growing.  The owner recognizes that better than most residents.  That’s why he’s investing so heavily.  He wants to accelerate that growth.  It’s good for the team and for the city.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The logistics alone make a permanent London team on improbability.
Then add in all the extra expense involved to this new franchise.(Travel,Facilities,Taxes,flying in workout players,etc)
Then add in the disadvantage they will have just in personnel.
How will this team lure the top free agents?
Some will simply refuse no matter how much you over pay them.....many will not want to live there half the year.
Others may accept a contract.....but the team will have to overpay in a huge way.
Then the schedule makers will have to make huge concessions(so will the rest of the league) to accommodate the travel issues/scheduling.

Then you throw in all the reasons why it won't be "The Jaguars" even if they manage to figure this all out and It's such a reach there is no sense even talking about it.

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What if the NFL plays 8 games per year in London with 16 teams going one year, the other 16 the next year and they alternate who has to give up the home game in the US to be the home team there. Each NFL team, including the Jags, would then play in London once every 2 years and give up a home game once every 4 years in a regular rotation.

Shad Khan's giving up the lucrative London game 3 out of 4 years would be offset by the fact that he would own Wembley Stadium and reap the benefits of the NFL coming there 8 times a year.

Except the NFL just signed a ten year contract with the tottenham spurs new stadium. How does Khan make money when the NFL is playing elsewhere?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mayor...-his-city/

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

Guys were as good as gone.  Just look.... the writing is not only on the wall, but it just "makes sense...."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/12678...ealignment

They have the division realignment worked out.

https://fansided.com/2013/10/24/jacksonv...aces-move/

There are so many better options than Jax!

https://www.news4jax.com/news/are-jaguar...os-angeles

It's a DONE DEAL by 2011!!

Except it's going to be San Diego!  Lovely!

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/...60171.html

Why would the team move?  Because he KHAN!!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2011...0fa4a38911



Seriously..... it's the offseason.  Time to blow out the hate that these people have for this city and ITS FANS.

Most of these reports....even the current ones,are just lazy journalism.
When the "Media" around the country think about an NFL team moving the first thing that pops in their heads is the Jaguars.
Because 10 years ago we had blackouts.
As an example of how misinformed these people are one of the above articles about the Jags moving to L.A. the author states that Shahid Khan is "most certainly not one of the wealthiest NFL owners".
Really?
A simple Google search would have shown that he very much "is" one of the richest....even back then he had to have been top 5.
Moral of the story.....as Oehser is always saying.....Just disregard these stories from any outlets outside of the Jacksonville area.
They have no idea what is actually happening here in Jacksonville....they don't know about the improvements....they don't know about the Downtown revitalization project.
None of it.......lazy reporting.

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Does khan really refer to his team as the London Jaguars based in jacksonville? Been seeing that alot

Try harder.  Your troll game is weak.

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The NFL wants a team in London.  

London wants an NFL team.  

It will happen, and we should recognize that this cannot be accomplished without a certain amount of deception.

The NFL has talked about the London team having an American HQ on the US east coast and possibly playing one or more home games there.  In that scenario, Jacksonville would "keep" the Jaguars but only for Training Camp and maybe 1 home game per season.

You are so full of it it's coming out of your ears. 

London supposedly (there's no actual proof of this) wanting a team is not enough. Thay have to actually support the team. A nebulous prospect at best. 

Your last two sentences are 100% hogwash. Show me proof of either being remotely true.  I'll wait.

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What if the NFL plays 8 games per year in London with 16 teams going one year, the other 16 the next year and they alternate who has to give up the home game in the US to be the home team there. Each NFL team, including the Jags, would then play in London once every 2 years and give up a home game once every 4 years in a regular rotation.

Shad Khan's giving up the lucrative London game 3 out of 4 years would be offset by the fact that he would own Wembley Stadium and reap the benefits of the NFL coming there 8 times a year.

Except the NFL just signed a ten year contract with the tottenham spurs new stadium. How does Khan make money when the NFL is playing elsewhere?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/mayor...-his-city/

OK. Good thing I don't work for the NFL.

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What he's invested here would easily be made up by moving to London provided they can sell the tickets at their current going rate.

That's one giant "if."  That also would require about 6 other giant "ifs" falling the right way with the league.

Personally, I seriously don't think a permanent team will draw very well there long term. I think the best the NFL can do is expand the number of games played in London by two or three -  and allow the smaller market teams to be the "home team" as often as possible to aid those franchise's and the league's bottom line financially. 

It boggles my mind how so many people are just mentally leapfrogging all of the logistical hurdles associated with a team (or teams)  based so incredibly far away from its competition. 
The rumors after the 2018 owners meeting suggest that the owners are collectively far apart about a permanent team there, and I do not anticipate that changing any time soon. 

The other thing the fear brigade continues to blindly assume is that Khan actually wants to move the damn team. Something that the man seems literally sick and tired of denying because he has to do it so often.

The main problem the NFL have is that we are culturally different here. In sports when a team moves US fans seem much more willing to suddenly support the arriving team and then if the city losing the team later gets another different team the locals are happy to then start supporting that team disregarding the previous loyalties.

We're not like that, we pick a team (usually handed down from parent to child) and we stick with them. Granted in Soccer we don't have teams relocate, but it's the same with the NFL and why you see all mix of jerseys at the London games. The preferred choice of fans here is to stage more game to allow them chance to see their team. It would take a whole generation for a new team to have a fan base big enough to fill a stadium, so expansion is out the window.

The advantage the NFL would have in moving us is that because of how long we have been playing here now we do have a large fan base in the UK (people travel from all over our country to these games it's not just fans from the City of London - I mean from Scotland and sh!t) and a lot of fans of other teams view the Jaguars as their team to support as the home team when not playing against the team they actually support.

It would be much easier if all the logistical challenges can be overcome to move the Jaguars as they have the most chance of success in London in terms of selling tickets, merch and establishing a proper fan base.

That said, there's a ten year deal on WHL Stadium, if I were a fan of any other team and that team makes a multi year commitment to games here I would be very worried about that team being the mover. Jaguars have basically shown the model of how to build to the point you could move and they would only need to replicate that model.

Maybe the NFL is thinking much bigger. Maybe they are trying to do more international games with the hope to not expand the NFL but perhaps creating a whole new league. Maybe putting a team in London but having that team be part of some other league that will play games against other European countries. Maybe having some big game against the American NFL vs the new league. I think there is already football internationally but is it run under 1 commissioner?

We tried that, Google "NFL Europe."

Nobody went to watch those teams because it was an inferior product and the uptake of the Int Series is because it's the real deal.

As for the stadium purchase, the offer hasn't been accepted yet and even if it is I don't think it's about moving us.

Forgetting the conference facilities, Tottenham temporarily playing there this season only and the FA's (Soccer's governing body here) HQ the actual stadium is used in a normal year about 20 times a year. Those tend to be in bursts, so this month for example it'll be used 5 times for playoff finals and a Cup Final. There are big periods of the year that it isn't used and that's an opportunity to hold events like Boxing or Concerts. It can make a lot more money than it does, so that's what I think is Shad Kahn's angle.

Holding a SB here wouldn't have much of the logistical challenges holding the regular season games here would as there's a 2 week lead up instead of just one week. If Shad buys the stadium I'll be amazed if the NFL don't give us a SB.

As for Sadiq he's doing what a good mayor should do, he's trying to attract business to London that could create jobs for Londoners.

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The NFL wants a team in London.  

London wants an NFL team.  

It will happen, and we should recognize that this cannot be accomplished without a certain amount of deception.

The NFL has talked about the London team having an American HQ on the US east coast and possibly playing one or more home games there.  In that scenario, Jacksonville would "keep" the Jaguars but only for Training Camp and maybe 1 home game per season.

You are so full of it it's coming out of your ears. 

London supposedly (there's no actual proof of this) wanting a team is not enough. Thay have to actually support the team. A nebulous prospect at best. 

Your last two sentences are 100% hogwash. Show me proof of either being remotely true.  I'll wait.

130+ hours on tenterhooks is torture enough even for one so bereft of civility, though a casuist of even nominal aptitude might have gathered the data himself instead of petitioning his opponent to disseminate.  Nevertheless, here is the top-ranked result from the very useful service "Google".  It is a Sports Illustrated article from September 2017, with several statements from the NFL’s executive vice president of international, Mark Waller:

Having a team five time zones from New York and eight time zones from Los Angeles isn’t ideal, and competitive-balance issues resulting from that can’t be ignored. To ease the issues, Waller says the hope is to give a London team two facilities—one in the UK and another somewhere in the U.S. southeast.

Waller explains, “If the team had a second base on the East Coast, and when they came over to the States they were going back to a familiar place, there’s a general feel [among teams] that it would solve a vast number of the operational issues, whether it’s transportation issues, talent issues and making sure week-in, week-out, you have the talent you need on hand, increasingly there’s belief that’s the right solution.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/21/nfl-lo...e-football

Your contrition and repentance may be relayed privately if you wish.

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Maybe the NFL is thinking much bigger. Maybe they are trying to do more international games with the hope to not expand the NFL but perhaps creating a whole new league. Maybe putting a team in London but having that team be part of some other league that will play games against other European countries. Maybe having some big game against the American NFL vs the new league. I think there is already football internationally but is it run under 1 commissioner?

Revive NFL Europe?

I’m not sure anyone would want to go there again.

Although there is a lot of support for the sport in Germany I understand, so maybe there could be a “European division” one day in the very far future.

I’m a little surprised the NFL hasn’t tried staging a game in Germany already...

The NFLE was fun while it lasted but it failed for very good reasons. Reasons that would make a new European league nothing more than a fool's errand.

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You are so full of it it's coming out of your ears. 

London supposedly (there's no actual proof of this) wanting a team is not enough. Thay have to actually support the team. A nebulous prospect at best. 

Your last two sentences are 100% hogwash. Show me proof of either being remotely true.  I'll wait.

130+ hours on tenterhooks is torture enough even for one so bereft of civility, though a casuist of even nominal aptitude might have gathered the data himself instead of petitioning his opponent to disseminate.  Nevertheless, here is the top-ranked result from the very useful service "Google".  It is a Sports Illustrated article from September 2017, with several statements from the NFL’s executive vice president of international, Mark Waller:

Having a team five time zones from New York and eight time zones from Los Angeles isn’t ideal, and competitive-balance issues resulting from that can’t be ignored. To ease the issues, Waller says the hope is to give a London team two facilities—one in the UK and another somewhere in the U.S. southeast.

Waller explains, “If the team had a second base on the East Coast, and when they came over to the States they were going back to a familiar place, there’s a general feel [among teams] that it would solve a vast number of the operational issues, whether it’s transportation issues, talent issues and making sure week-in, week-out, you have the talent you need on hand, increasingly there’s belief that’s the right solution.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/21/nfl-lo...e-football

Your contrition and repentance may be relayed privately if you wish.

Wow. Someone from the NFL really did utter words similar to what you posted.  You have my sincere apologies on the hogwash comment. 

I mean, you are still a fear-laden-tinfoil-hat-wearing-looney-tune-conspiracy-theorist, but you were right about the NFL actually discussing that particular idea.  


My bad.

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You are so full of it it's coming out of your ears. 

London supposedly (there's no actual proof of this) wanting a team is not enough. Thay have to actually support the team. A nebulous prospect at best. 

Your last two sentences are 100% hogwash. Show me proof of either being remotely true.  I'll wait.

130+ hours on tenterhooks is torture enough even for one so bereft of civility, though a casuist of even nominal aptitude might have gathered the data himself instead of petitioning his opponent to disseminate.  Nevertheless, here is the top-ranked result from the very useful service "Google".  It is a Sports Illustrated article from September 2017, with several statements from the NFL’s executive vice president of international, Mark Waller:

Having a team five time zones from New York and eight time zones from Los Angeles isn’t ideal, and competitive-balance issues resulting from that can’t be ignored. To ease the issues, Waller says the hope is to give a London team two facilities—one in the UK and another somewhere in the U.S. southeast.

Waller explains, “If the team had a second base on the East Coast, and when they came over to the States they were going back to a familiar place, there’s a general feel [among teams] that it would solve a vast number of the operational issues, whether it’s transportation issues, talent issues and making sure week-in, week-out, you have the talent you need on hand, increasingly there’s belief that’s the right solution.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/21/nfl-lo...e-football

Your contrition and repentance may be relayed privately if you wish.

Wait, so they would still be Jacksonville Jaguars in the offseason? I still don't get exactly how it would work.

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Yes, it's improvement, but it's Blaine Gabbert 2012 level improvement. - Pirkster

http://youtu.be/ouGM3NWpjxk The Home Hypnotist!

http://youtu.be/XQRFkn0Ly3A Media on the Brain Link!
 

Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

Personally, I think Mexico City would be the perfect location for a new franchise.  

For anyone who hasn't been there, it's incredibly progressive and really has mix of NY, Chicago, DC, and LA.

I was going to post some cartel crime scene photos...then I googled it. Ugh can't unsee that!

Yep, I was going to post some crime scenes of grade school students getting killed while walking home from the Southside of Chicago but those pics are hard to digest as well.

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https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/21/nfl-lo...e-football[/i]

Wait, so they would still be Jacksonville Jaguars in the offseason? I still don't get exactly how it would work.

In the article, Waller (NFL, EVP of international events) is suggesting that a permanent "London team" would essentially have two facilities. One of them would be somewhere on the east coast of the US. But they would be a London team. Neither the Jaguars nor Jacksonville were cited by Waller in this hypothetical.

What he is suggesting is a London team that has a "second" base in the US to attempt to ease the logistics nightmare of playing "home games"  5,6,7 or 8 time zones away from their competition's home fields. 

To me it's still just  a drop in an especially giant bucket of unsolved problems the league will have with such a far flung franchise.

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What a great post for lending perspective to the current London kerfuffle.

Two points for using “kerfluffle” on the meassage board properly.  Heck, another two just for using the word at all.  

It does put things into perspective for sure.  So many experts want to predict the inevitable move, and as Jags fans we are prone to believe it because relocation talk has been endless since almost the inception of this franchise.  Media hacks have never liked Jacksonville because it’s not a big market. Look at the bile they directed at the city after hosting the Super Bowl. If you polled the media it was a miserable failure, but if you talked to fans who attended the game, they had nothing but great things to say about the city aside from some comments about chilly weather early that week. 

The bottom line is that the league is always looking for new revenue streams. London will certainly provide that for the games hosted there.  But, now Shad Khan gets a piece of every game they play at Wembley.  That’s good for this city without the need to panic over relocation. It’s not happening.  This market is growing.  The owner recognizes that better than most residents.  That’s why he’s investing so heavily.  He wants to accelerate that growth.  It’s good for the team and for the city.

Personally, I'd rather be in our position and attempt to control a potential move than to be like the cities of Cleveland, Baltimore, St Louis, San Diego, and Oakland and have the carpet be pulled out from under your feat.

DO PEOPLE REALIZE THAT 5 NFL TEAMS HAVE MOVED SINCE THE JAGS GOT A TEAM !!!  Notice that all 5 of those cities are all heavily populated and have strong traditions in the major sports scene  (football, baseball, basketball, or hockey) ?  Franchise moves have more to do with Stadium Deals than other factors; assuming a team can maintain a respectable attendance rate.

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I'm sure the players of a London franchise would absolutely love living in two different places....and in two different countries.
Buy or rent two different homes or live out of a Hotel half the year "every year".
Which brings us back to the having to overpay them if they would even be willing in the first place.
These are human beings with families and kids who go to school etc.
Again.......aint gonna happen.

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I'm sure the players of a London franchise would absolutely love living in two different places....and in two different countries.
Buy or rent two different homes or live out of a Hotel half the year "every year".
Which brings us back to the having to overpay them if they would even be willing in the first place.
These are human beings with families and kids who go to school etc.
Again.......aint gonna happen.

I agree is not going to happen especially if Shad Khan has to overpay them. It's one thing to go that route and there is no salary cap like baseball but because we have a hard cap in the NFL it will be hard to overpay 53 players on a football team. It would have to be a situation where the other 31 owners will allow this team to have special privileges which is not going to happen during our lifetime so therefore, I truly agree with you.

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It seems that the Jaguars and London have a special kind of connection playing there year after year.

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